Split Thread The 9/11 Conspiracy Team

ladmo said:
Great retort... roll up in your shell. You fail miserably to understand how that report was generated and presented. It was not done in a vacuum but for you to feel that it is "OK" for this massive oversight to be dismissed with indifference shows that you are compliant with what others do and refuse to think for one's self. Good luck in life as you rely on others and not yourself... which in the long term may be good for you.
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Seems you're doing the same exact thing. NORAD had scriptwriters who created various circumstances, not all of which were simulated hijackings.

The one constant PRIOR to 9/11 in all their simulations was this:

Threats originated outside of the Continental US and Canada.
Period.

Having said that, can you imagine why that might be significant?
 
TruthMakesPeace said:
Yes, The 9/11 Conspiracy Team had no right to kill these innocent, unarmed people on 9/11 for their agenda and profits. Bin Laden was just the fall guy, bumped off to protect The Team.

The 9/11 Conspiracy Team (according to a recent theory)
* Bin Laden provided the hijackers, and told them to hijack 4 planes, land, and demand the USA get out of Arabia in return for the hostages.
* Mueller made sure no FBI agents arrested the hijackers, taking pilot training in the USA (not in other countries with flight schools) to create a plausible cover story.
* Airline baggage men (agents) put the bags with remote controlled cyanide gas tanks in the planes, to knock out the crew, passengers, and hijackers (who were duped, and died too).
* Airline maintenance (agents) installed enhanced remote control in the passenger jets.
* ACE Elevator workers (agents) placed the nano-thermite and other explosives in the WTC elevators by day, and above ceilings panels by night
* Cheney made sure no fighter jets intercepted the planes
* Rumsfeld had workers strengthen the Pentagon Wing wall for the impact.
* Bremer arranged homing beacons installed in WTCs, and first blamed Bin Laden on TV
* Gen. Myers provided the NORAD stand down and timelines
* Bush leveraged the attacks into a reason to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

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"This is strictly conjecture without a foundation.". You should take your own words to heart.
 
beachnut said:
Full blown truther, from 0 to full blown in one post, but you are not a truther?
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No but you make a good case for one to explore that possibility.


Like locking up cops for not stopping murderers before they murder.
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What are you some sort of comical genius? Watching too many Tom Cruise movies? You continue to provide this audience with false dilemmas. Keep to facts.
 
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Military personnel will provide the following types of support: intercept, surveillance, lift, equipment, and communications. Military personnel may not participate in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity. This restriction would include the apprehension of aircraft hijackers or use of military aircraft (fixed-wing or helicopter) or other vehicles as platforms for gunfire or the use of other weapons against suspected hijackers. In addition, assistance may not be provided under this enclosure if it could adversely affect national security or military preparedness. CJCSI 3610.01A 1 June 2001
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That order came from S.A. Fry (Vice Admiral, US Navy and Director, Joint Staff).

It said that only Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld could issue intercept orders.

Note the date.
 
ladmo said:
Great retort... roll up in your shell. You fail miserably to understand how that report was generated and presented. It was not done in a vacuum but for you to feel that it is "OK" for this massive oversight to be dismissed with indifference shows that you are compliant with what others do and refuse to think for one's self. Good luck in life as you rely on others and not yourself... which in the long term may be good for you.
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Being rude isn't an argument.
 
NoahFence said:
Seems you're doing the same exact thing. NORAD had scriptwriters who created various circumstances, not all of which were simulated hijackings.

The one constant PRIOR to 9/11 in all their simulations was this:


Threats originated outside of the Continental US and Canada.
Period.
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Provide your facts for this conjecture.

Having said that, can you imagine why that might be significant?
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Again, provide some level of support documentation.
 
Clayton Moore said:
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That order came from S.A. Fry (Vice Admiral, US Navy and Director, Joint Staff).

It said that only Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld could issue intercept orders.

Note the date.
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I am not sure if Beachnut read the details you provided... thanks for adding.
 
Clayton Moore said:
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That order came from S.A. Fry (Vice Admiral, US Navy and Director, Joint Staff).

It said that only Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld could issue intercept orders.

Note the date.
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Note the fact you left no comment. What is your claim?

In emergencies no permission is required, and the military can exercise sound judgment.


The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference d, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval. CJCSI 3610.01A, 1 June 2001
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911 Truth can't comprehend reality, or read for understanding. What was your point?

Got reference d?
 
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ladmo said:
Provide your facts for this conjecture.



Again, provide some level of support documentation.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm

I'm assuming you're not old enough to fully know what NORAD actually was pre-9/11.

NORAD was a joint effort by the United States and Canada to keep watch over their skies, primarily from Russian (that's outside the US) forces. That's why they existed in the first place.
Through outstanding bi-national cooperation, NORAD has proven itself effective in its roles of watching, warning, and responding. NORAD continues to play an important role in the defense of Canada and the U.S by evolving to meet the changing threat.
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One would think 9/11 was one of these instances of a changing threat.

http://www.norad.mil/about/history.html

Don't ever ask me again to prove something - unless you want to look like an idiot.

9 MINUTES.

There was NINE MINUTES between when the military (NORAD) was alerted to the impact of the first jet. Just what exactly do you think they could do? Again, NORAD was looking outside the continental US. All simulations that they run (up to that point) were based on outside threats. You know, threats that would give them HOURS of lead time, not minutes. Do you think that makes a difference?
 
NoahFence said:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm

I'm assuming you're not old enough to fully know what NORAD actually was pre-9/11.

NORAD was a joint effort by the United States and Canada to keep watch over their skies, primarily from Russian (that's outside the US) forces. That's why they existed in the first place.
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Don't get smug you don't have the capacity to maintain it and stating little 6 grade pejoratives only lessens what little knowledge you possess.


One would think 9/11 was one of these instances of a changing threat.[/quotes]

only ones that wish to rewrite...

http://www.norad.mil/about/history.html

Don't ever ask me again to prove something - unless you want to look like an idiot.
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It appears you are the idiot... next time you may wish to read the entire thread and not jump in and post non-essential links.

9 MINUTES.

There was NINE MINUTES between when the military (NORAD) was alerted to the impact of the first jet. Just what exactly do you think they could do? Again, NORAD was looking outside the continental US. All simulations that they run (up to that point) were based on outside threats. You know, threats that would give them HOURS of lead time, not minutes. Do you think that makes a difference?
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You are adding something that has absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed. who has said anything about what you just posted in regards to reaction time? Who... certainly not me! Aim your misguided barbs to the Idiot that talked about reaction time.
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There was a claim by 911 truth the regulations/instructions on hijacking were changed for some evil reason. BUT, nothing really changed, save the paper trail.
Is that the fuzzy logic used to generate this? and that?
Clayton Moore said:
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That order came from S.A. Fry (Vice Admiral, US Navy and Director, Joint Staff).
It said that only Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld could issue intercept orders.
Note the date.
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SO?
beachnut said:
... In emergencies no permission is required, and the military can exercise sound judgment. ...
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Here is the exception, you don't need anything but to ask.
The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference d, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval. CJCSI 3610.01A, 1 June 2001
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Oh, reference d.
http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/cg534/nsarc/DOD302515pMACA.pdf
4.7.1. Immediate Response. Requests for an immediate response (i.e., any form of immediate action taken by a DoD Component or military commander to save lives, prevent human suffering, or mitigate great property damage under imminently serious conditions) may be made to any Component or Command. The DoD Components that receive verbal requests from civil authorities for support in an exigent emergency may initiate informal planning and, if required, immediately respond as authorized in DoD Directive 3025.1 (reference (g)). Civil authorities shall be informed that verbal requests for support in an emergency must be followed by a written request. As soon as practical, the DoD Component or Command rendering assistance shall report the fact of the request, the nature of the response, and any other pertinent information through the chain of command to the DoD Executive Secretary, who shall notify the Secretary of Defense, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and any other appropriate officials. If the report does not include a copy of the civil authorities' written request, that request shall be forwarded to the DoD Executive Secretary as soon as it is available.
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BINGO
beachnut said:
... In emergencies no permission is required, and the military can exercise sound judgment. ...
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I was right.

In emergencies no permission required. 911 was an emergency, so the instruction that changed on 1 June 2001 would not change anything, because we had permission to react in emergencies.
 
beachnut said:
Oh, reference d. BINGO
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this is perfect... this means when NORAD is confronted with an aggressor within the skies of the USA... they can make a value judgment... fantastic! This supports my claim and not yours that NORAD had no jurisdiction in American skies. Remember when you said that NORAD was not a policeman (paraphrase) for domestic skies? Well, you have just cited the opposite... thank you for admitting your mistake.



In emergencies no permission required. 911 was an emergency, so the instruction that changed on 1 June 2001 would not change anything, because we had permission to react in emergencies.
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... emergencies is part of policing the skies.
 
TruthMakesPeace said:
Yes, The 9/11 Conspiracy Team had no right to kill these innocent, unarmed people on 9/11 for their agenda and profits. Bin Laden was just the fall guy, bumped off to protect The Team.

The 9/11 Conspiracy Team (according to a recent theory)
* Bin Laden provided the hijackers, and told them to hijack 4 planes, land, and demand the USA get out of Arabia in return for the hostages.
* Mueller made sure no FBI agents arrested the hijackers, taking pilot training in the USA (not in other countries with flight schools) to create a plausible cover story.
* Airline baggage men (agents) put the bags with remote controlled cyanide gas tanks in the planes, to knock out the crew, passengers, and hijackers (who were duped, and died too).
* Airline maintenance (agents) installed enhanced remote control in the passenger jets.
* ACE Elevator workers (agents) placed the nano-thermite and other explosives in the WTC elevators by day, and above ceilings panels by night
* Cheney made sure no fighter jets intercepted the planes
* Rumsfeld had workers strengthen the Pentagon Wing wall for the impact.
* Bremer arranged homing beacons installed in WTCs, and first blamed Bin Laden on TV
* Gen. Myers provided the NORAD stand down and timelines
* Bush leveraged the attacks into a reason to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.
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there were no bombs in the tower cores. We know this because the cores remained standing for several seconds following the collapses.
 
ladmo said:
this is perfect... this means when NORAD is confronted with an aggressor within the skies of the USA... they can make a value judgment... fantastic! This supports my claim and not yours that NORAD had no jurisdiction in American skies. Remember when you said that NORAD was not a policeman (paraphrase) for domestic skies? Well, you have just cited the opposite... thank you for admitting your mistake.
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How long after the first plane hit did it take everyone to determine that they were confronted with an agressor? Unlikely that happened until the second plane hit.
 
ladmo said:
Don't get smug you don't have the capacity to maintain it and stating little 6 grade pejoratives only lessens what little knowledge you possess.


One would think 9/11 was one of these instances of a changing threat.[/quotes]

only ones that wish to rewrite...

http://www.norad.mil/about/history.html



It appears you are the idiot... next time you may wish to read the entire thread and not jump in and post non-essential links.



You are adding something that has absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed. who has said anything about what you just posted in regards to reaction time? Who... certainly not me! Aim your misguided barbs to the Idiot that talked about reaction time.
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Nice dodging

Did you not say this?
... this is interesting. Can you provide some citation about our defenses not geared to deal with threats inside its borders? thx
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Clearly you're implying that NORAD should have had some say in stopping these events. They could not. When you're talking about "our defenses" - you're SPECIFICALLY talking about NORAD. Those are the people with their boots on the ground so to speak. They were not prepared to intervene given the circumstances of 9/11. Period.

It appears you are the idiot... next time you may wish to read the entire thread and not jump in and post non-essential links.
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Only in the minds of people like you can such a statement of dripping stupidity come out. You're the one who asked for "citations" so I provide them from the horses mouth, and they're "non essential" now? If they're non essential, why did you ask me for 'citation'?
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