Merged Discussion of the moon landing "hoax"

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FatFreddy88 said:
The moon landing didn't happen.
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Hi. I have to say I disagree, based on what I've learned about Apollo, as well as relevant education and work experience.

FatFreddy88 said:
Do a YouTube search on "Apollo 15 flag waving".
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Argumentum ad YouTubeum. I personally prefer people to actually write out what they are trying to say - I think it's much more useful - but I've seen this motion claim discussed before, e.g. here on the apollohoax forum, with inconclusive results. But I generally leave imagery-type arguments to others, and there are plenty of people willing to argue them.

I think claims based on some snippet of motion imagery need to be attended by an explanation of how the claim trumps the rest of the Apollo record. It's been my experience that most hoax believers (HBs) don't grasp the magnitude of said record, including the engineering, scientific, and managerial work that went into it. Heck, I've hardly scratched the surface myself.
 
Erock said:
It's Cosmored/Rocky/Davidc. Hi there!
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Not convinced he's Rocky yet. He hasn't linked to a thread at another forum showing Cosmored/Rocky/Davidc getting spanked as if it were evidence supporting his case.

But time will tell. Some of these guys have serious "tells."
 
ApolloGnomon said:
...He hasn't linked to a thread at another forum showing Cosmored/Rocky/Davidc getting spanked as if it were evidence supporting his case...
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Or said that the "lurkers and viewers" could see through the conspiracy. Nineteen lurkers de-lurked for that thread. Every one of them said rocky/davidc was wrong. One commented to the board regulars, "I think you spend too much time fighting with mental patients."
 
FatFreddy88 said:
Please link to where it's been debunked and we can talk about whether it's really been debunked.
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I'm going to repeat to you here what I just said in the other thread. There are these things called public libraries that are filled with these things called books. They'll even let you take these books home for awhile to read them. The books dealing with history are typically written by authors who have spent years, sometimes decades, researching the topic about which they are writing. They'll include numerous footnotes pointing to the sources used in writing the book, and you can then look up those sources for yourself if you are so inclined.

In the case of the Apollo program, there is an ENORMOUS amount of such evidence. It would seem you are clearly not even aware of one tiny bit of the vast amount of data readily available on Apollo. Get yourself to a library and start reading some books on the subject.

Lastly the faked landing conspiracy theory fails on logical grounds alone. Why on earth would anyone fake six lunar landings, with each landing longer and more complex than the one preceding it? No, any sensible fakery would involve simulating one landing and then quit.
 
matt.tansy said:
The idiot speaking in the video is profoundly ignorant of physics. "Suddenly it hits a wall of atmosphere". WTF? "Suddenly"? Really? Streams of regolith shooting up from the tires following a parabolic arc is obviously confusing this man. If it was filmed in an atmosphere where are the floating clouds of dust?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrOsEXMbM-M
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Wait... what? That doesn't even happen on Earth. So there's a "wall of atmosphere" that suddenly starts having an effect after a few feet? How in the name of boneheaded basic physics is that supposed to work? :boggled:
 
FatFreddy88 said:
Do a YouTube search on "MoonFaker: Flagging The Dead Horses". There is a rebuttal to your video there.

Do a YouTube search on "Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement". This video makes it pretty clear that the flag started to move before he got close enough to touch it.

There's another video called "The flag that moved". It makes it pretty clear that the movement is consistent with the atmosphere explanation. The flag first moves away from the astronaut because of the wall of air caused by his approach. It then moves back toward him to fill the void caused by his passing. Anyone can duplicate this at home with a light piece of cloth hanging from a ceiling light.
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Wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S6bc-p8HWU
 
drewid said:
Wait... what? That doesn't even happen on Earth. So there's a "wall of atmosphere" that suddenly starts having an effect after a few feet? How in the name of boneheaded basic physics is that supposed to work? :boggled:
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(Non-specific "you" here, referring to CTers, not you, drewid.)

Simple, you look at the evidence through your filter glasses. They're really great, they keep you from seeing anything that doesn't agree with your theory. For example, in the video where the engineer vehicle hit the wall at the Davidian compound, you can freeze the action so that it appears there is a flare of flame at that exact instant. With your filter glasses you don't have to see the rest of the footage, where it's clear that "flare" was actually something flying by and nowhere near the wall. Thus you have "proof" that the FBI firebombed those whackos. This gives credence to the belief that you and your whacko friends will be next. And so it's okay to blow up Oklahoma City.

See? Simple.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
At the beginning of this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y

...the astronaut is very close to the flag and the flag isn't attracted to him at all. In all the flag footage I've ever seen, I've never seen the flag attracted to an astronaut. The only time I've ever seen a flag move like that is when the movement is precisely consistent with the atmospere explanation.
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You're assuming that the astronauts always had the same static-electric charge relative to the flag. In fact their charges would have varied during each EVA, just as your static-electric charge varies as you walk across a carpet and periodically touch metal objects.
 
ApolloGnomon said:
Not convinced he's Rocky yet. He hasn't linked to a thread at another forum showing Cosmored/Rocky/Davidc getting spanked as if it were evidence supporting his case.

But time will tell. Some of these guys have serious "tells."
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It's him for sure. We have his three favourites: Jarrah White, Apollo 15 flag and slap my forehead with a wet fish, Collins' jacket.

His major tell is the big wall of videos and text (not allowed on here). He rocketed through the forum posting one liners here and there, just so he could enable posting links.

Fatfreddy88 is one of many aliases (on youtube).

Google search on "Do a Youtube search on" and "cosmored" Here.


The clincher he 'says' he lives in Madrid and doesn't have his own computer:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7170009&postcount=43
 
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Erock said:
It's him for sure. We have his three favourites: Jarrah White, Apollo 15 flag and slap my forehead with a wet fish, Collins' jacket.

His major tell is the big wall of videos and text (not allowed on here). He rocketed through the forum posting one liners here and there, just so he could enable posting links.

Fatfreddy88 is one of many aliases (on youtube).
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Seriously, he linked to a jw video? I didn't even follow his utub link, waste of time and I microcast from th is computer so I HATE having to switch off the music to listen to idiocy.

I dealt with David/rocky at Apollohoax when he was there, but I stay away from youtube. He wandered into DIF while I was still reading there but didn't get any support from the Delusional Idiots and eventually got tired of the repeated spankings.


Google search on "Do a Youtube search on" and "cosmored" Here.


The clincher he lives in Madrid and doesn't own his own computer:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7170009&postcount=43
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Oh, yeah, I remember that now. I tried to trip him up on that at AH but he didn't take the bait. I actually suspected him of being another user, a total character actor who had been banned under several names, a guy I call "the angry English truck driver."
 
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If it was filmed in an atmosphere where are the floating clouds of dust?
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It would be easy to sift and wash sand to make it dust-free.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S30XLds5gc

I know there are prints that look like they're in fine sand but we don't see them when they're being made.


You're assuming that the astronauts always had the same static-electric charge relative to the flag. In fact their charges would have varied during each EVA, just as your static-electric charge varies as you walk across a carpet and periodically touch metal objects.
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This video shows that the movement is consistent with the atmosphere explanation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

If the initial away movement of the flag were caused by it's being repelled by static electricity, it wouldn't move back in the other direction even farther than it initially moved. It moves back toward the astronaut after it's moved away from him because of the air drawn toward him to fill the void caused by his passing.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
It would be easy to sift and wash sand to make it dust-free.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S30XLds5gc

I know there are prints that look like they're in fine sand but we don't see them when they're being made.
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Hi Rocky/David! Still trying to pound THAT bent nail? Why? Haven't you learned anything in the, what, 3 years since you first had your tush handed to you over the issue?
 
ApolloGnomon said:
Oh, yeah, I remember that now. I tried to trip him up on that at AH but he didn't take the bait. I actually suspected him of being another user, a total character actor who had been banned under several names, a guy I call "the angry English truck driver."
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I thought of him as well reading his posts in some of the other threads he has started. Wonder if he will mention his diving exploits?
 
FatFreddy88 said:
I know there are prints that look like they're in fine sand but we don't see them when they're being made.
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If you didn't see those footprints being made on live TV, then I have to question your investigative abilities...or at least your eyesight.

Also, what you call "sand" does not at all compare to the regolith of the Moon. For one thing, Earthly sand has rounded edges from erosion, while the Moon's surface does not face that same kind of erosion, leaving the individual particles with sharp edges, thereby allowing the "stickiness" that actually does resemble wet Earth sand...but the "resemblence" ends there.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
It would be easy to sift and wash sand to make it dust-free.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S30XLds5gc

I know there are prints that look like they're in fine sand but we don't see them when they're being made.
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Watch the sand being kicked on the beach. It does not follow a parabolic arc. It goes up, slowing down in the process, and descends at a sharper angle than it went up. That is caused by air drag. All the regolith kicked up on the Moon follows a parabolic arc.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
It would be easy to sift and wash sand to make it dust-free...
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Hi, davidc/rocky. You were wrong about that before over on apollohoax and you're still wrong here. I'm reminded of that every time I deal with kitty litter.

Oh, and yes, the South Atlantic Anomaly does exist, and all the astrophysicists and space engineers know it, including the ones in Spain (where, incidentally, Apollo ALSEP telemetry was received for years).

The final tally on that "lurkers and viewers" poll, by the way, was nineteen new posters - every one of which said you were wrong.
 
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