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Jet engine of wrong type found near Ground Zero

Greedo said:
Is it morally wrong if I consider this thread entertainment? :D


Anders, you may find it helpful to read through (yeah, it's hard, cause you know, you need to read, and making sh** up is so much easier)
all the tons of debunkings? I'm an ex CTer (never really into 911 Twoof though) and I have read for hours and hours until I found that what I used to believe in was complete BS. All of it. And I believed in most CTs out there. Anders, what can you lose?
I'm starting to think you're just a troll. :drool:
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The same answer again, see: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7161255&postcount=79
 
Elypsis44 said:
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Ohhh yes, great graphics! I love it! I laughed so hard I almost busted a lung!
 
This image shows that there are less than 24 holes in the jet engine part found near Ground Zero:

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EDIT: Note that only the equidistant holes of equal diameter are counted (not the extra smaller holes in the picture). And it could be that the corresponding part for the correct jet engine type (7R4D) looks the same except it does have 24 holes! So this is no definite proof that the jet engine found near Ground Zero is of the wrong type, but it could still be!
 
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Anders Lindman said:
This image shows that there are less than 24 holes in the jet engine part found near Ground Zero:

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EDIT: Note that only the equidistant holes of equal diameter are counted (not the extra smaller holes in the picture). And it could be that the corresponding part for the correct jet engine type (7R4D) looks the same except it does have 24 holes! So this is no definite proof that the jet engine found near Ground Zero is of the wrong type, but it could still be!
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Better tell CBS, NBC, and ABC. What did they say? Did you report this to the FBI? You are withholding evidence in a murder of 3,000 people, why have you failed to take action? Why?
Should I report you for withholding evidence in the murder of 3,000 people? What will you do? fail
 
beachnut said:
Better tell CBS, NBC, and ABC. What did they say? Did you report this to the FBI? You are withholding evidence in a murder of 3,000 people, why have you failed to take action? Why?
Should I report you for withholding evidence in the murder of 3,000 people? What will you do? fail
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First all cooling ducts for version 7R4D must be examined to rule out the part found near Ground Zero. That could be tedious work. The sources must be verified to be reliable. And if it turns out that the part found is indeed different, such as from an earlier version of the engine, then that will indeed be interesting, and that's enough for me. I'm just curious about finding out about a possible staged event, not to report findings to legal authorities etc.
 
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Okay. Isn't the part labelled HPT Stage 1 cooling duct assembly

supposed to be screwed on the part labelled HPT 1 Stage cooling duct?

What exactly is wrong with the part found near GZ? I'm getting confused :D
 
Greedo said:
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Okay. Isn't the part labelled HPT Stage 1 cooling duct assembly

supposed to be screwed on the part labelled HPT 1 Stage cooling duct?

What exactly is wrong with the part found near GZ? I'm getting confused :D
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Yes, I think you are correct. That's why I posted this image: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7161524&postcount=83

There are 24 holes in the part for the correct type (7R4D), yet the assembly part has fewer than 24 holes at the bottom rim!
 
Right. So what does that prove? The holes that aren't 24, but are supposed to be 24 can't be seen on the GZ photos. So this doesn't prove or disprove anything.


So to clear this up: The correct engine would use / have used a part very similar to the HPT stage 1 cooling duct assembly, only that it would have had 24 holes, right (with the curved things still remaining) ?
 
Maybe to get hold of the correct engine is easy. For example here they sell the correct type used in 767s: http://www.trade-a-plane.com/search...&s-lvl=2&make=Pratt+&+Whitney&model=JT9D-7R4D

I even saw a post on a forum where they said that a JT9D engine was for sale on eBay! :D $20,000 something or something like that, so I doubt that it was a fully functioning engine but anyway.

So for a shadow group to plant a part (the core) from such an engine in one of the WTC towers would be most likely be doable.
 
Anders Lindman said:
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So for a [hypothetical] shadow group to plant a part (the core) from such an engine in one of the WTC towers would be most likely be doable.
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ftfy

Why did I know this thread would ultimately lead to that conclusion?

So uhm Anders, do you think you have won yet?
 
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Greedo said:
Right. So what does that prove? The holes that aren't 24, but are supposed to be 24 can't be seen on the GZ photos. So this doesn't prove or disprove anything.


So to clear this up: The correct engine would use / have used a part very similar to the HPT stage 1 cooling duct assembly, only that it would have had 24 holes, right (with the curved things still remaining) ?
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Yes, that's right. If there are parts for the correct type of engine that look like that, and with 24 holes, then the engine found near ground zero would likely be the correct type. The problem is I haven't found any information about that. Sometimes the Web sucks. Tons of info yet no single image of such parts. :mad:
 
Anders Lindman said:
Yes, that's right. If there are parts for the correct type of engine that look like that, and with 24 holes, then the engine found near ground zero would likely be the correct type. The problem is I haven't found any information about that. Sometimes the Web sucks. Tons of info yet no single image of such parts. :mad:
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:o

So, are there no aviation enthusiasts on the JREF forum that can enlighten this curious individual? :D
Don't worry, you aren't going to need to do a lot of explaining. After all, he's easily convinced :D

And if it turns out that the part found is indeed different, such as from an earlier version of the engine, then that will indeed be interesting, and that's enough for me. I'm just curious about finding out about a possible staged event, not to report findings to legal authorities etc.
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I just realized how ^^that^^ could have been perfect with the "I'm just a normal guy" argument :D
 
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Anders Lindman said:
Yes, that's right. If there are parts for the correct type of engine that look like that, and with 24 holes, then the engine found near ground zero would likely be the correct type. The problem is I haven't found any information about that. Sometimes the Web sucks. Tons of info yet no single image of such parts. :mad:
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Also, that the part that would distinguish it from the correct model is not visible on any of the Murray St. engine photos?
 
Anders Lindman said:
Maybe to get hold of the correct engine is easy. For example here they sell the correct type used in 767s: http://www.trade-a-plane.com/search...&s-lvl=2&make=Pratt+&+Whitney&model=JT9D-7R4D

I even saw a post on a forum where they said that a JT9D engine was for sale on eBay! :D $20,000 something or something like that, so I doubt that it was a fully functioning engine but anyway.

So for a shadow group to plant a part (the core) from such an engine in one of the WTC towers would be most likely be doable.
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Ha! Here are several such engines for sale: http://www.speednews.com/EquipmentResults.aspx?Search=Engine&Engine=JT9D&Type=-7R4D

To me this means that even if the engine found near ground zero turns out to be the correct type and version then I still believe it was complete TV fakery.
 
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Also, that the part that would distinguish it from the correct model is not visible on any of the Murray St. engine photos?
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The curved nozzles or what they are called are very easy to identify on the cooling duct assembly, and if the version used in Flight 175 does NOT look like that, then the jet engine core found near ground zero is of the wrong type. The nozzles are a fairly old design: http://209.85.62.24/46/112/0/p201479/TOBI_Nozzles_1977.jpg
 
Greedo said:
Who would have guessed :D

Copious amounts of lulz have been provided.
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Not to go off topic too much but compare getting hold of a second-hand JT9D-7R4D (not to mention the older JT9D versions) to getting hold of four black boxes and having the knowledge and capability to program them with the correct flight data and voice recordings etc. That's immensely more difficult. And whaddayaknow! No black boxes found at Ground Zero!
 
Anders Lindman said:
And just to show that there are 24 holes in the part for the correct version 7R4D, here is a larger image: http://209.85.62.24/46/112/0/p173687/_chromalloy02_edit.jpg
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Okay. So you're pointing to a part, wich even if it was (or wasn't for that matter) installed on the Murray St. engine would not be visible because it would be obscured by the cooling duct assembly (wich looks, exept for the holes that can't be seen, the same on both types)? :boggled:
 
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