StopSylvia email: "Hummmmmm"

I agree fully with you on this. Many discussion are more for the benefit of the fencesitters than anyone. Just a gentle nudge, and over they go.

To either side! All it can take is a couple of unaddressed questions/complaints for a lurker to think "I guess they/he had no answer for that!

Trolls, unfortunately, rely on this to ply their trade, but that is no reason to discount the lurkers.
 
Wow, usually these RSL threads about emails are interesting, but never this interesting . . . if that's event he right word for it.

Just for the record, RSL has always struck me as being one of the most sincere and honest people on this forum. I've always been impressed with his Stop Sylvia campaign, and have found nothing that would warrant the kind of response I've just finished wading through.

Not that my endorsement means much, and in fact might even hurt, but Robert, you certainly have it from me. ;)

Many thanks, RR!
 
Even a quick scan of Mushy's posting history, (body of work just isn't appropriate in his case), it is easy to see that he enjoys stirring up every thread he posts on with his sophmoric sarcasm and pointless criticism.

In other words, he has all of the traits of any dime-a-dozen troll, nothing unique, nothing that makes him stand out. Just the type of poster who appears to gain smug satisfaction by trying to make good people feel bad.

Having said that, I realize I have now given him far more time then he deserves, and I too am guilty of feeding a troll. So that's it, from now on I simply ignore. A difficult task when someone you respect is the target of such mean-spiritness.

As always, Robert has shown one his traits on this thread that most of us here have become accustomed to. He has continued to be a gentleman in a situation many of us wouldn't easily be capable of.
 
Even a quick scan of Mushy's posting history, (body of work just isn't appropriate in his case), it is easy to see that he enjoys stirring up every thread he posts on with his sophmoric sarcasm and pointless criticism.
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I think this is another clear win for RSL in this thread. No point in continuing.
 
No, i said if he claimed his site was balanced (which he did in a previous thread i started) he should do that. But my point was that its not, and you guys have agreed with me. The only difference is you think its fair enough that his site is biased, i dont. But i don't, but i respect your opinion.

Exactly what thread was this, mushy? I looked at the list of threads you've started, and I only recognized one as a thread I had posted in. That was your "I'm embarrassed to be an Atheist/Skeptic" thread. the only post of mine I noticed in it was this:

Mushy, back in 2001, not long after joining this forum, I created my first thread, titled, IIRC, "Why are the prominent skeptics such jerks?" I spoke specifically of Randi and Penn & Teller. I think that none of these gentlemen as jerks, but said that they often come across in their media appearances as cranky, obnoxious jerks. Contrary to your OP, I had often bemoaned over the years that Randi, one of my heroes, often came across in public appearances as just some cranky old man yelling out the window "All you psychics get off of my lawn!" I almost always agreed with what he said, but often cringed at how he said it. In that post I praised the calm (and thoroghly skeptical) approach of Carl Sagan back in the day. When Susan and I were first dating, she had never heard of Randi. I explained why I so highly admired him. When we later watched him on a few TV appearances, Susan did not care for Randi AT ALL, thinking him a cranky old fuddy-duddy (or words to that effect) When she finally met him in person, she later said to me "He's such a sweetheart!! You'd never know it from seeing him on television!" I've never seen nor read much of Dawkins, so can't speak to that, and have never heard of this Thunderf00t person. In my skeptical endeavors I have always tried (though not always succeeded) to be fairly calm and straightforward in my approach and demeanor. Phil Plait, the previous president of the JREF, is a "kinder, gentler" face of skepticism, and urges other skeptics to be less confrontational in their skeptical endeavors, as he did in his deservedly-popular "Don't Be a Dick!" presentation at TAM8 this year. So, not ALL representatives of skepticism fit your description, but many - too many - do. What do you propose be done about it?

Is this the post where I supposedly told you that StopSylvia was "balanced"?

"fairly calm and straightforward" is what I said.

If it was in some other post of mine, please link to it.
 
wow, i have to admit this thread has really backfired on me. I actually started this thread to point out the problems with providing a platform to post unverified stories about a person in order to get kudos from people in JREF.

All it achieved was a waste of my time, people refusing to say anything bad about RSL and in fact a series of sycophantic replies to feed the ego of RSL, which i guess he is loving. JREF the critical thinking forum that only criticaly thinks about things they don't like. God forbid you point out something about one of their friends, they become as ignorant as the "woo" believers they like to mock so freely.
 
in fact a series of sycophantic replies to feed the ego of RSL, which i guess he is loving.

Can you give an example of one such sychophantic reply? That should be easy, since there has been a series.
And I am still waiting for the evidence that I am a hypocrite, or an apology and retraction.
 
I think this is another clear win for RSL in this thread. No point in continuing.


As always, Robert has shown one his traits on this thread that most of us here have become accustomed to. He has continued to be a gentleman in a situation many of us wouldn't easily be capable of.


Just for the record, RSL has always struck me as being one of the most sincere and honest people on this forum. I've always been impressed with his Stop Sylvia campaign, and have found nothing that would warrant the kind of response I've just finished wading through.

from page 7 alone. cya.
 
wow, i have to admit this thread has really backfired on me. I actually started this thread to point out the problems with providing a platform to post unverified stories about a person in order to get kudos from people in JREF.
And all you did was post a bunch of assertions and then refuse to provide evidence for them. You danced around the questions you were asked with your fingers in your ears, refusing to answer them. Ironically enough, it achieved the exact opposite - you posted unverified stories about RSL, got called on them and he was the one who ended up getting kudos.

people refusing to say anything bad about RSL
You missed "by blindly agreeing with my baseless accusations, staggering exaggerations and wild extrapolations about his website, all of which I point blank refused to show any evidence for" off the end of that sentence.

JREF the critical thinking forum that only criticaly thinks about things they don't like.
Part of critical thinking is having evidence for something.

God forbid you point out something about one of their friends, they become as ignorant as the "woo" believers they like to mock so freely.
...k.
 
I think this is another clear win for RSL in this thread. No point in continuing.


As always, Robert has shown one his traits on this thread that most of us here have become accustomed to. He has continued to be a gentleman in a situation many of us wouldn't easily be capable of.


Just for the record, RSL has always struck me as being one of the most sincere and honest people on this forum. I've always been impressed with his Stop Sylvia campaign, and have found nothing that would warrant the kind of response I've just finished wading through.

from page 7 alone. cya.

Try to use quotes in future. It makes things a lot clearer.
No, I do not see anything sycophantic in this example. I see a clear evaluation of what has taken place. You came on here with accusations you have not backed up.
Have you yet found the examples of emails which you know RSL to have deliberately withheld? No? What a surprise.
Talk about accusing others of hypocrisy...
You seem to fancy yourself as something of an iconoclast. The problem with that is, to be an iconoclast, first you need an icon, then you need something little more refined than a hammer to destroy that icon. In this case, you have neither.
 
No, I do not see anything sycophantic in this example. I see a clear evaluation of what has taken place.
SHOCKER!! Wouldnt expect anything else from a hardcore sycophant like you. And i know i know before you come back with your predictable reply, i know you resent being called a sycophant and this thread is the evidence you are one and no i wont take it back.

See that, i knew your exact reply, you should think for a second about how predicable you are.
 
SHOCKER!! Wouldnt expect anything else from a hardcore sycophant like you. And i know i know before you come back with your predictable reply, i know you resent being called a sycophant and this thread is the evidence you are one and no i wont take it back.

See that, i knew your exact reply, you should think for a second about how predicable you are.
Really, my friend, have you had more to drink tonight than I have?
It was being a hypocrite I have objected to, but we'll run with sycophant. Please quote one of my posts which you think sycophantic.
And while you are at it, we still haven't seen the evidence for your assertion that RSL has withheld certain emails.
Your turn...
 
wow, i have to admit this thread has really backfired on me. I actually started this thread to point out the problems with providing a platform to post unverified stories about a person in order to get kudos from people in JREF.

And instead you posted unverified stories about Robert, refused to verify them when asked, promised that you would verify them at a later time, and are now taking your ball and running away. So, yeah, there is an irony at play here, in that you've done exactly what you said people should never do. And you've done this while calling other people hypocrites.

All it achieved was a waste of my time, people refusing to say anything bad about RSL and in fact a series of sycophantic replies to feed the ego of RSL, which i guess he is loving.

You've read my posts on this thread, and therefore you know that this is a lie.

JREF the critical thinking forum that only criticaly thinks about things they don't like. God forbid you point out something about one of their friends, they become as ignorant as the "woo" believers they like to mock so freely.

I've already told you that I'd be happy to call Robert a liar, if I was to be given convincing evidence that he had, in fact, lied. I've repeatedly asked for this evidence, and you have promised to provide it. That you have steadfastly refused to provide the evidence that you claim backs up your assertion - which you claim you have and can post - is not a failing of mine, it's a failing of yours.
 
Yes, something I hope to add some day.

I may have asked this before, but why can you not get to the code of the site yet hope to implement improvements?

You might want to consider implementing a specialized google-search:
http://www.google.com/cse/

And you should be able to have all your CSS in one common, external file that is linked into each HTML page, too. That's rather the point of CSS, or one of them, anyway.

Code:
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="class.css" />

That way, the css from class.css file will be used for that page and any other linking to it like that.
 
wow, i have to admit this thread has really backfired on me. I actually started this thread to point out the problems with providing a platform to post unverified stories about a person in order to get kudos from people in JREF.

All it achieved was a waste of my time, people refusing to say anything bad about RSL and in fact a series of sycophantic replies to feed the ego of RSL, which i guess he is loving. JREF the critical thinking forum that only criticaly thinks about things they don't like. God forbid you point out something about one of their friends, they become as ignorant as the "woo" believers they like to mock so freely.

And you accuse RSL of lying?
 
wow, i have to admit this thread has really backfired on me. I actually started this thread to point out the problems with providing a platform to post unverified stories about a person in order to get kudos from people in JREF.

You didn't start this thread.

You didn't point out the problems with providing a platform to post unverified stories.

All you do was drop in and accuse everyone here of dishonesty and hypocrisy without providing any evidence to back up any of your assertions.

When pushed to actually provide SOME evidence, the only real criticism you could come up with about Stop Sylvia was that you don't like the layout.

As for "backfiring" on you, c'mon. It went exactly as you planned it would. You didn't come here to raise a legitimate issue.

Toddle off now, mushy. Maybe you could manufacture that "evidence" that you claim is on your home computer, so you can wallow in the negative attention for a couple more pages. :rolleyes:
 
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Mushy, you've made several claims, and I've picked out just three.

1) That RSL said that his site is 'fair and balanced' in dealing with Browne

2) That RSL has received pro-Browne emails and failed to publish them on his site

3) That you started this thread

Claim 1 - RSL has never claimed his site is balanced, rather, it's a response to the unrelenting pro-Browne stuff that can be found on her own site and on fansites.
Claim 2 - see the link that RSL gave you on the previous page
Claim 3 - RSL started this thread, you merely replied to it.

So far, you're 0 for 3.

Shall we look at some more of your claims?

4) That RSL's site is badly laid out

5) That posters on JREFF here are sycophantic towards RSL

6) That you have evidence in support of claim (2)

Claim 4 is opinion, rather than fact.
Claim 5 can be easily dismissed by checking some of the threads where posters have disagreed with RSL or asked that his posts/threads be moved or merged. It's no secret that not every poster enjoys RSL's threads and I'm sure he has no objection to my noting this; it would be a very strange and boring world indeed if we all enjoyed the same things.
Claim 6 remains unevidenced.

So now you are 0 for 5, and we're still waiting for the evidence for claim 6.

It's not looking good for you, quite frankly.
 

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