Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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Childlike Empress said:
Folks, jaydeehess has bumped the 8 out of 8 at CITGO thread. Don't miss his post and my reply. :cool:
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Folks, CE posted in the '8 out of 8 at CITGO' thread and then ,,,,,,, well,,,,,,, nothing.

So in keeping with the topic of this thread;
Why is it that so often when a debunker asks a question, the 911 conspiracist focuses instead on reasons why not to answer the question rather than explain to the silly debunkie what the answer actually is?

I have been asking the simple question; 'How can the CiT manage to ignore/dismiss/discount the single point of convergence among Pentagon eyewitnesses, that the plane hit the Pentagon?'
I have added an addendum to this question; 'Is there some point made in the video "National Security Alert' that has not been discussed in the pages of the JREF forum?

To date neither question has been answered , AFAIK, by CE or any CiT adherent.
 
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jaydeehess said:
So in keeping with the topic of this thread;
Why is it that so often when a debunker asks a question, the 911 conspiracist focuses instead on reasons why not to answer the question rather than explain to the silly debunkie what the answer actually is?...<snip>...
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jaydeehess said:
Soooo????

The CIA trained terrorists to hijack aircraft but they did not have these people actually fly aircraft into buildings (at least not the Pentagon), is that your senario CE?
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Childlike Empress said:
They were building the legend for you to believe in. Scenario.
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Youse do know Lucky Larry had a partner who was pretty much the money man?

Frank Lowy, AC (born 22 October 1930 in Fiľakovo (Hungarian: Fülek), Czechoslovakia) is an Australian-Israeli businessman and was ranked #1 on the BRW Rich 200 list in 2010. He is a co-founder of the Westfield Group, operator of over 100 shopping centres in Australia, New Zealand, the United States and Great Britain.[1][2]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lowy
 
Grizzly Bear said:
Is this why the crowds celebrating UBL's death, along with pretty much every other conceivable rally, such as the anti-war protests in Europe drawf even the most populous truth movement rallies exponentially?
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Are you asking if dumbed down, warmongers who celebrate death outnumber people who think critically? I agree: they do.
 
tempesta29 said:
Are you asking if dumbed down, warmongers who celebrate death outnumber people who think critically? I agree: they do.
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Large generalization of people celebrating a momentous event in our history (whether you like it or not) is thinking critically? Yes. I'm sure they're all "dumbed down, warmongers". You fail to get anyone to see your side when you use this rhetoric.

ETA: And I see you still haven't responded to my query in the other thread...wishful thinking I guess..
 
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Oz1976 said:
Large generalization of people celebrating a momentous event in our history (whether you like it or not) is thinking critically? Yes. I'm sure they're all "dumbed down, warmongers". You fail to get anyone to see your side when you use this rhetoric.
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Should all momentous events be celebrated? I sure hope not.

Yes, I believe people who go into the streets to celebrate someone's death are dumbed down. I would never celebrate anyone's death.
 
CHF said:
I've always gotten the impression that the TM consists largely of people sitting around, doing nothing, waiting for someone else to make the big breakthrough.

Granted, this is true of most movements - a small number do the grunt work, and the rest ride on the coat-tails.

But at this point in TM history no one is doing anything. Not even the supposed "leaders" and "experts."

Even Mr. Thermite himself, Steven Jones, has apparently moved on to man-made earthquakes. If his indifference were any more obvious even truthers would notice it.

But the die-hard followers have no choice but to carry on. They've built their entire lives around this nonsense. It's who they are.
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Look, the arguments have been laid down. There simply isn't a platform for them to be expressed.

Steel framed skyscrapers will always offer significantly more resistance than air. That's pretty simple. Do you disagree with this?
 
tempesta29 said:
Steel framed skyscrapers will always offer significantly more resistance than air. That's pretty simple. Do you disagree with this?
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Yes, and 911 confirmed this - hence the WTC debris outpacing the collapse itself.

But you already knew that.

You only pretend not to know this because the alternative is to admit that you’ve pissed away years of your life on sheer nonsense.
 
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Look, the arguments have been laid down. There simply isn't a platform for them to be expressed.

Steel framed skyscrapers will always offer significantly more resistance than air. That's pretty simple. Do you disagree with this?
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Ah, yes -- your belief hinges on such an obvious, irrefutable observation... and yet, strangely, you can't convince a single serious researcher to join your side, not in any country.

If you don't care what we think, it isn't your job to convince us, you won't be lumped into any "movement," etc., why are you still nattering? You've already shown your hand, and you haven't a prayer. Even a high card beats four fingers and a thumb.
 
LOL at someone belittling others for posting on message boards--by posting on message boards.

Look, you've apparently seen the arguments, and you aren't convinced. That's your choice. No "movement" can force you to change your mind. You apparently believe a steel-framed skyscraper can collapse at the same speed a quarter falls through the air. Like I said, that's your choice.

Not everyone calls this a "movement" either. People hold beliefs that are different from yours. This is clearly one of them. It's that simple. I know it makes you and your ilk feel good to call them lazy and failures, so go ahead and keep that going. Do what makes you feel good buddy.
 
CHF said:
Yes, and 911 confirmed this - hence the WTC debris outpacing the collapse itself.

But you already knew that.
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I was referring to WTC 7, which, for the majority of its 47 floors, fell at free-fall acceleration.

But you already knew that, right? But if you knew that, why wouldn't you assume I was referring to WTC 7, whose collapse speeds are such common knowledge?

You only pretend not to know this because the alternative is to admit that you’ve pissed away years of your life on sheer nonsense.
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Hyperbole and ad hominem in the same sentence. Congrats.
 
Well, for starters, nobody -- and I mean nobody -- believes that any steel-framed skyscraper ever collapsed "at the same speed a quarter falls through the air."

Lazy and a failure? Yup. You said it. Bye now.
 
R.Mackey said:
Ah, yes -- your belief hinges on such an obvious, irrefutable observation... and yet, strangely, you can't convince a single serious researcher to join your side, not in any country.
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What's a "serious researcher" exactly? Someone who gets paid a lot to look things up? There are plenty of well-respected individuals from a multitude of relevant fields that agree that the government was involved in 9/11.

It obviously doesn't pay all that well to be a 9/11 truther, so I don't see most writers too interested in getting involved in those ideas. Writing a book about fighting terrorism however...

If you don't care what we think, it isn't your job to convince us, you won't be lumped into any "movement," etc., why are you still nattering? You've already shown your hand, and you haven't a prayer. Even a high card beats four fingers and a thumb.
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Of course I care what you think. I care about how everyone on Earth thinks. We share a planet. I can't change the way you think however. That's up to you.

But the fact that you take so much of your own time to write about how others have failed is ironic.
 
R.Mackey said:
Well, for starters, nobody -- and I mean nobody -- believes that any steel-framed skyscraper ever collapsed "at the same speed a quarter falls through the air."

Lazy and a failure? Yup. You said it. Bye now.
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NIST admitted that WTC 7 did. You can read their report. Refer to "Stage 2" of the collapse.
 
They did not. Read it again.

Many Truthers are making no progress -- as this thread illustrates -- because of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. In brief, they aren't smart enough to understand what they read, and resist any attempts to correct them. Perhaps you are one of those?
 
This is actually quite indicative of the problem: even in the face of irrefutable facts, people will deny the truth. For much of WTC 7's 47 stories, it collapsed at gravitational acceleration, yet R. Mackey simply says it didn't, and that's that.

The "truth movement" is only a failure because you have failed yourselves.
 
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