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What part of "I found no mass graves." don't you understand.

I'll try to help you out .... he found no big mass graves, no little mass graves, no old mass graves, no new mass graves, you know ..... NO MASS GRAVES.

Now, please post again, and I'll do my best to help you understand. Maybe you need to take a course from Nick Terry, but .... I'm not sure he understands either ! One can only lament the state of education in formerly jolly old England.

LOL.


When a couple of Poles spent an afternoon at Treblinka and reported that they found no mass graves, they meant that they didn't find any mass graves filled with bodies. That is consistent with the story that the Germans dug up all the bodies, burned them to a crisp, reburied them in the empty pits, dismantled the camp, plowed the surface, and planted lupins to erase any trace of the camp.

Evidently after the Germans left, the local peasant farmers descended on the site to search for the gold and other valuables that everybody (except the Germans) knows can be found at any site where lots of Jews are killed. In their frenzy to extract all the gold they used the numerous unexploded artillery shells laying around the Polish countryside to blow the site to smithereens.

This, of course, resulted in the ash and sand and bones and chunks of putrefying flesh scattered over two hectares that the Polish investigators said they saw. It would have also made it impossible to distinguish any specific mass graves which they wouldn't have been able to find anyway because the Germans hide them.

They didn't find any mass graves per se but they did a visual inspection and claim to have seen but didn't actually document an unspecific number of things that might be consistent with dead fauna in the area. That's how we know 700,000 Jews (or maybe it was two million) were murdered there.

It's a minor technicality but "didn't find any mass graves" doesn't mean they didn't find any mass graves. It means they didn't find any evidence of mass graves. And, as one Einstein here said, "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence."
 
And, as one Einstein here said, "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence."

That's the holohoax mantra. But, in this case they're saying absence of evidence is evidence ! That's the remarkable part.
 
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That's the holohoax mantra. But, in this case they're saying absence of evidence is evidence ! That's the remarkable part.

can you explain the Jews alive today who say they lost thier families in the Holocaust? Are they liars?
 
Tell me, when Jews mention their parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts, siblings, etc died in a concentration camp, do you think they are lying?
I'm not Jewish, but every Jew I know has lost relatives in the Holocaust

Some are consciously lying, others aren't. First, everyone alive now has relatives that died in the 1940-1945 time frame. If you're Jewish, this person was 'lost in the holocaust'. As a funny aside, there was a recent article about reparations being paid to Moroccan Jews, who claimed to be 'holohoax survivors', and indeed, they were awarded funds. It should be easy to google up.

Second, you need to understand that Jews have absolutely no compunction about lying to the goyim. Just read the 'classic' holohoax authors like Weisel, Weirnik, Meuller, and Bomba, and you'll understand what I mean. Lying to the goyim is a religious mandate ... see for example ...

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

Now, for the best example of lying about relatives lost during the holohoax we have none other than Norm Finkelstein, in the video ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNQSV3BBtZ4

"My father was in Auschwitz"
"My mother was in Majdanek"
"Every single member of my family, on my father's side and on my mother's side, was exterminated."

Either he was lying, or we've witnessed a miracle - the miracle? Finklestein was born in 1953.
 
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Typical response of a hoaxer to a fact. But, in this case I'm curious, why do you think it's rubbish?

I've read that there is a staff of 400+ at the archives, and if you're in good standing with Yad Vashem or the USHMM, you're good to go.

Word is Ernst Zundel's request for access was denied.

Evidently, you didn't read the link.

The Arolsen archive was the subject of an international agreement in 2006 between 11 nations, and the files are being copied to multiple archives: the IPN in Poland, Yad Vashem in Jerusalem, and USHMM in the States.

I happened to be visiting USHMM's archive when the hard drives containing the first batch of scanned files arrived in the summer of 2007. More batches have followed. All one needs to do is visit the archive and you will be provided with access to the files, just as with any other archival collection. USHMM is a federal institution and is open to the public. Indeed, David Irving was spotted working in their archive about a month ago.

USHMM's website has a pretty decent finding guide to the collection now, and it indicates what was already pretty apparent. Arolsen's collections of wartime documents are largely copied from other archives. Their transport lists are almost all available in various concentration camp museum archives, only a small amount of unknown material became buried away in the Arolsen collection. What is unique to Arolsen are the postwar records of Displaced Persons camps, missing persons enquiries and other materials.

So you're officially three to five years behind the curve on Arolsen.

Before you start conspiracising, read the link as it also explains why the Arolsen archive was opened up, and implicitly also why it became restricted in the first place - because there was a backlog of 425,000 enquiries.

I wrote more on the reasons for the closure five years ago.
 
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Some are consciously lying, others aren't. First, everyone alive now has relatives that died in the 1940-1945 time frame. If you're Jewish, this person was 'lost in the holocaust'.

Second, you need to understand that Jews have absolutely no compunction about lying to the goyim. Just read the 'classic' holohoax authors like Weisel, Weirnik, Meuller, and Bomba, and you'll understand what I mean. Lying to the goyim is a religious mandate ... see for example ....




So you are little more than a person who despises the Jews.
Try proving that Jews are lying about having lost relatives in the Holocaust.
You are so blinded by your hatred of Jews, you assume they are all liars.

When you see footage of Hitler and the Nazis, does it fill you with a sense of pride?
Do you wish you could have lived in that time in Germany, and worn a Swastika on your arm?
 
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When a couple of Poles spent an afternoon at Treblinka and reported that they found no mass graves,

When the Polish investigation team lead by Justice Lukaszkiewicz, at the request of the State Prosecutor of the District Court in Siedlce, spent five days at Treblinka II ......Justice Lukaszkiewicz stated he did not find mass graves ( as in full of bodies). "I found no mass graves, which, in connection with the statements by the witnesses Romanowski and Wiernik, leads to the conclusion that nearly all of the bodies of the victims were burned"


they meant that they didn't find any mass graves filled with bodies. That is consistent with the story that the Germans dug up all the bodies, burned them to a crisp, reburied them in the empty pits, dismantled the camp, plowed the surface, and planted lupins to erase any trace of the camp.
You forgot to mention the 2 hectares of human ash that the investigation specifically stated it found. (That's 20,000 square metres of human ash)


Evidently after the Germans left, the local peasant farmers descended on the site to search for the gold and other valuables that everybody (except the Germans) knows can be found at any site where lots of Jews are killed.
The Germans took most of the valuables already and we still have these documents.....220,000 men's overcoats, 2000 children's aprons, 18 to 36kg of gold every week during the main execution period....


In their frenzy to extract all the gold they used the numerous unexploded artillery shells laying around the Polish countryside to blow the site to smithereens.
There is evidence suggesting members of the Red Army were also doing this. In the photo of the peasants doing this you will see a couple of Red Army soldiers.

http://www.vilnaghetto.com/gallery2/d/12539-2/Gold_Rush_in_Treblinka.jpg



It would have also made it impossible to distinguish any specific mass graves which they wouldn't have been able to find anyway because the Germans hide them.
Here is a photo of Justice Lukaszkiewicz standing in an excavated mass grave at Treblinka......
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bigp51.jpg

That's how we know 700,000 Jews (or maybe it was two million) were murdered there.
And the Hofle Telegram tells us that 713,555 people were executed at Treblinka prior to 30Dec42. This matches the other SS documents about 220,000men's overcoats, etc being shipped back from Treblinka to Warsaw.


I'm a bit confused. Are you now accepting that Treblinka II was indeed an extermination camp where approximately 815,000 people were executed and cremated?
 
All one needs to do is visit the archive and you will be provided with access to the files, just as with any other archival collection.............

LOL. Let's see what happens when Zundel gives it a try. The fact is that anyone who questions any aspect of the holohoax lies will be ARRESTED in Germany, so, a trip to the archive is not as easy as you imply.
 
I'm a bit confused. .....

Don't let it get you down. I think you're handling yourself very well for a person who doesn't understand the difference between a mass grave and a bomb crater. Remember, we're here to help you. LOL.
 
LOL. Let's see what happens when Zundel gives it a try. The fact is that anyone who questions any aspect of the holohoax lies will be ARRESTED in Germany, so, a trip to the archive is not as easy as you imply.

You really cannot follow a simple discussion, can you? David Irving was in USHMM's archive a month ago. He could not be turned away because USHMM is a federal institution and you cannot be arrested for denial in the US.

David Irving, as you surely know, was prosecuted in Germany and jailed in Austria for Holocaust denial. But he was in the USHMM archive doing research.

So damn right it's as easy as I imply. You could go to USHMM and get access to the archives, because anyone can. They're public archives.
 
You really cannot follow a simple discussion, can you? David Irving was in USHMM's archive a month ago. He could not be turned away because USHMM is a federal institution and you cannot be arrested for denial in the US.

David Irving, as you surely know, was prosecuted in Germany and jailed in Austria for Holocaust denial. But he was in the USHMM archive doing research.

So damn right it's as easy as I imply. You could go to USHMM and get access to the archives, because anyone can. They're public archives.

I'm assuming the USHMM contains a small fraction of the total archives.
 
Don't let it get you down. I think you're handling yourself very well for a person who doesn't understand the difference between a mass grave and a bomb crater. Remember, we're here to help you. LOL.

Saggy, I know you are not very bright, can you explain why there is a square bomb crater in this photo?

http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bigp51.jpg


Treblinka's C.O. Franz Stangl said:
"it was always a huge mass… they were naked, packed together, running, being driven with whips" & "I think it started the day I first saw the Totenlager in Treblinka. I remember Wirth standing there, next to the pits full of blue-black corpses.
 
So you are little more than a person who despises the Jews.
Try proving that Jews are lying about having lost relatives in the Holocaust.
You are so blinded by your hatred of Jews, you assume they are all liars.

When you see footage of Hitler and the Nazis, does it fill you with a sense of pride?
Do you wish you could have lived in that time in Germany, and worn a Swastika on your arm?

Of course he does.
 
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You'll have to give him time to work out why there can't be a square bomb crater.
Judging from what I have seen from Saggy, this thread is turning out to be quite a challenge for him: he has to deal with this square bomb crater thing, and on top of this, Nick Terry seems to hold out the unfair expectation that Saggy can read a link containing information about a topic he himself introduced, the ITS in Bad Arolsen.
 
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You assume wrong. The entire Arolsen collection has been copied. Read the link I gave.

I'll bet a dollar to a donut, which puts the odds in my favor these days, that you're lying ... from your link...


All the records need to be digitized before they can be transferred. The Museum is receiving them in a series of installments as this process is completed.

If you have a link saying that the entire archive has been digitized and transferred I'll eat my hat.
 
I'll bet a dollar to a donut, which puts the odds in my favor these days, that you're lying ... from your link...


All the records need to be digitized before they can be transferred. The Museum is receiving them in a series of installments as this process is completed.

If you have a link saying that the entire archive has been digitized and transferred I'll eat my hat.

I wonder which Nazi was your favorite- Hitler? Himmler? Goebbels?

To admire Nazis..no wonder your perceptions of reality are so warped..
 
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