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The Minnesota Iceman

That's interesting. That's my scan of my Argosy magazine cover I posted on BFF a while back. I still have that picture and my original scan without the mailing address fuzzed out on my computer. I'd search for my original post but I can't log in at the BFF.
A quick search shows that it's posted on a few other sites too.

I can't remember at the moment where the magazine is but I'm sure it's in storage somewhere.
 
Blackdog said:
That's interesting. That's my scan of my Argosy magazine cover I posted on BFF a while back. I still have that picture and my original scan without the mailing address fuzzed out on my computer. I'd search for my original post but I can't log in at the BFF.
A quick search shows that it's posted on a few other sites too.

I can't remember at the moment where the magazine is but I'm sure it's in storage somewhere.
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I keep hoping that someday I will stumble across a box with some of these old magazines inside.
 
The Minnesota Iceman is setting next to the Ark of the Covenant, next to the banged up UFO with the Bulletmaker's Bigfoot photos in the glove compartment....:)
 
As I explained in the Munns thread, I've been going to a lot of effort to engage the make-up FX community around the world to have a look at Munns' arguments and the PGF. Today FX Lab member, author and journalist Joe Nazzaro shared an excerpt from a 1997 interview with Chambers where he asked him about the film and Chambers went of talking about the Bigfoot hoax he did do, the Minnesota Iceman. Here is that excerpt from Nazzaro...

Joe Nazzaro @ the FX Lab said:
Here's an excerpt from an interview I did with John Chambers back in '97. As you can see, I was trying to address the long-standing rumors that he had been involved with the classic footage and here's what he said, sort of:

Joe: There’s been a rumor that you did the Bigfoot make-up seen in that famous clip?
John: No. I made up a Bigfoot and it’s going around yet. I used an actor who was over seven feet tall, and I said, how am I going to make that bigger? I had a couple of guys who weren’t working, and I had trained them to be with me when I had big jobs to do, mixing the plaster and things like that, so I used them, and we got this guy and gave him a few hundred dollars, I said, ‘It’s bare minimum, but I want to give these guys some work,’ and there was one guy I promised he’d do it, he wanted a Bigfoot, and he said, ‘I don’t want my face that way,’ but I said, ‘I’ll rig up the forehead a little, make a bigger forehead-’ and he said, ‘Don’t ever mention my name.’ This was a full body for a coffin, and they wanted him in a coffin, and we didn’t care what he was made of, so the most expedient way which was to take artificial stone, which was dental stone and it’s hard and we cast him in sections- head, half of the body, legs, feet; they cast beautifully, and when I put them together, I worked the texture into where the blend lines were, but on the lower legs, I separated them and added a section to make him over eight feet, so when I put that section in, he was a giant. I had Werner Keppler lay hair on it for me, and the breasts had little nipples, all the pores on his face, and if you scrutinized it, you wouldn’t believe it, it looked so natural. We had a coffin made, a big, heavy red-lined box but it looked like an open coffin, and it weighed a ton. I had it taken out and tested in the carnival area, so I could see what people were saying.
Joe: So what was this being done for?
John: A carnival. There are a lot of guys out there doing that. You know the block of ice with this body that was frozen in a block of ice? This guy’s story was really good, and he brought it to me wanting artificial eyes, and I gave him artificial eyes and I gave him the people that would do the hair, and then he had it implanted in ice. He finally got arrested by the Canadians, bringing that body across the body. They wouldn’t let him go into the ice to see if it was fake or flesh. That’s what happened with this thing; it was passed off as a real body- people would say, ‘Look at the toenails, look at the... it must be real!’ We had a speaker right near him, and we were listening to everything, but the funny thing was, the guys says, ‘I need a sign to really finish this, and I don’t know what to with it.’ I said I had an idea to make it real, so I said, ‘Listen to what I say: the creature in this coffin once lived and felt the sunset glow; like that poem, “Who lived and saw the sunset glow; now he lies in Flander’s Field;’ I took some of those phrases and put in, so it said, ‘This creature was alive, in this coffin,’ but I didn’t tell them, I put a fly under his arm, a big horsefly, and it lived and felt the sunset glow,’ and I said, ‘I’ll prove it for you, do you believe me now?’ He said, ‘You can do that?’ so I had the fly caught, because when he was challenged, he had to show the fly! That character was on the carnival circuit for years, but that was the kind of jobs I got.
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Kit,

Chambers is describing the limestone MIM knock-off that was mentioned earlier in this thread. According to Vern Langdon, Chambers only provided some consulting work on the Iceman.

I should also note that the site hosting my article on the Minnesota Iceman is in the process of moving from Blogspot and my link given in the MonsterTalk thread will eventually stop working. You can find it at its new home here.
 
The Minnesota Iceman is a Bigfoot killed in the Bluff Creek Massacre which also took the life of Patty.

chattahoocheebigfoot (Jeffrey Teagle) said:
First put on tour in 1968, what are the chances that this bigfoot encompassed in an iceblock is from the same clan as Patty? Killed just a mere one year before perhaps? Possibly one of the three or more seen in the film as it is slowed down?
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Monster Hunter said:
There could be a connection...
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SAsquatcher said:
I would almost bet my life. Given the time frame and the people involved and the circumstances... yes that is the case.
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AtomicMysteryMonster said:
I should also note that the site hosting my article on the Minnesota Iceman is in the process of moving from Blogspot and my link given in the MonsterTalk thread will eventually stop working. You can find it at its new home here.
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Thats a great article, but I found a lot of the links were dead.
;)
 
Cainkane1 said:
So what ever happened to this exhibit?
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MIM then...

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MIM 2002...

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Source...

http://www.sideshowworld.com/70 UPFM/RW-Book/RW-Book.html

Those pics were posted by LAL at the BFF.
 
i like the way that the mold has darkened the facial features, yet the nose hasn't collapsed and the eyes are still present
:D
 
Marduk said:
Thats a great article, but I found a lot of the links were dead.
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Thanks! Yeah, the loss of the old BFF did take away a lot of great links. However, please let me know if you found any non-BFF dead links, as the switch from Blogger over to Wordpress messed up the formatting in a lot of the old articles.

kitakaze said:
MIM 2002...
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Yowza, what a great find! I just might have to update my article to link to this. :)

Those pics were posted by LAL at the BFF.
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So I take it she's finally off the "Hansen had a real creature" bandwagon?
 
Wild horses could not drag Lu from that. She remains one of the many Bigfoot believers who are unfazed by a confession by Hansen and the original iceman model right in front of their eyes. Hansen simply had a very gifted artist recreate the real thing down to the most miniscule detail in their minds. It's bacon and eggs to believer teflon.
 
When I saw Lu say that it was a replica of the real Iceman I almost choked. What are we arguing with?
 
kitakaze said:
Wild horses could not drag Lu from that. She remains one of the many Bigfoot believers who are unfazed by a confession by Hansen and the original iceman model right in front of their eyes. Hansen simply had a very gifted artist recreate the real thing down to the most miniscule detail in their minds. It's bacon and eggs to believer teflon.
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I really shouldn't be surprised, but wow. This is right up there with her statement how the discovery of suit that looked exactly like Patty being found in Patterson's possession would only make her assume it was the suit intended for Roger's docudrama.
 
Dear sirs (sorry for my bad english),
my name is Lorenzo Rossi and I'm an Italian naturalist interested in the story of the cryptozoology.

I'am not agree with some comments in which cryptozoology is seen only as a "monsters hunting", but as they say, that's another story...

I decided to enjoy this forum to ask you some questions about the iceman.
I live near Lausanne and intrigued by this case, I visited the Museum of Zoology of the city, which houses all of the "files" of Bernard Heuvelmans.

I could see all the original photographs taken by him to the iceman and read the detailed reports that he left in his diaries and in his book "L'homme de Neanderthal east toujours vivant."

The reconstruction of the facts written by Heuvelmans is very different from what I have read in various books, booklets, forums and websites on the subject written in English and I think it is a pity that his book was never translated into English.

But even this is another story...

Heuvelmans mentions Howard Ball and the "puppet" made ​​by him in his book and I've always been curious to see pictures of it. Seeing the pictures of Rick West I was very impressed by the quality of the work of this artist.

Unfortunately the photographs are only three and does not depict all the details of the body. Do you know if there are others?

I have another questions also:
1) In the caption of a photograph I read that: "mold had darkened the facial features". How does mold has acted only on the coloration of the face and not on the rest of the body?

2) The face of the Ball's model is quite different from the one photographed by Heuvelmans, in which the mouth of the "creature" was obviously closed. Even the foots and the toes are totally different. This case has always fascinated me for the strange behavior of Hansen. For example: why bother to make changes to the model?

3) Do you know if exist pictures of the iceman during the last years of exhibition in the early '80?

Best regards,
Lorenzo Rossi.
 
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