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Merged Osama bin Laden dead,

I see there are five more pages of posts, so apologies for not reading them all:) but has it been said yet how many people there were in the place where bin Laden was and what happened to the ones who weren't killed? Did the helicopters have a long flight before they got there?
 
SusanB-M1 said:
I see there are five more pages of posts, so apologies for not reading them all:) but has it been said yet how many people there were in the place where bin Laden was and what happened to the ones who weren't killed? Did the helicopters have a long flight before they got there?
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You are only missing 5 pages on when/if torture is acceptable, a link to Rumsfeld saying that the intel that led to this raid was definitely not gained through torture and a bunch of posts about which President should get more credit. I think that covered most of it.
Not sure about flight time or numbers though.
 
theprestige said:
And this right here is why I'm convinced that analogies are the stupidest form of argument ever.
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And, what, exactly do you find wrong with my analogy?
 
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Ausmerican said:
You are only missing 5 pages on when/if torture is acceptable, a link to Rumsfeld saying that the intel that led to this raid was definitely not gained through torture and a bunch of posts about which President should get more credit. I think that covered most of it.
Not sure about flight time or numbers though.
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Thank you for the info update.
 
theprestige said:
And this right here is why I'm convinced that analogies are the stupidest form of argument ever.
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The fact that the first 5 to 20 times the waterboarding didn't work does not mean the threat of doing it again didn't have an effect on the "detainee's" decision to offer up the couier's name.

Guess we'll never know, it's enough the SOB is dead.

Bin Laden was having a bad week anyway. He was bummed that Casey was voted off Idol and he's was worried about Matt's depression on Survior.
 
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The government can turn a DNA match in less than 20 hours.
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And how long do you think it would take to get the DNA sample from the site of the assault to a secure military lab to commence the required testing?
 
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And how long do you think it would take to get the DNA sample from the site of the assault to a secure military lab to commence the required testing?
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Now, my information is a few years old, and likely things have improved (shorter time, smaller rig) but the machine I am thinking of could easily have been on a helicopter or at whichever base they touched down at in Afghanistan.

Just now did some digging, and yes they have improved it; http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/092710-rapid-dna-analysis.html
 
I'm quite amused by some of the expressions of shock and surprise that the evidence indicates the Pakistani government (at various levels) probably knew Osama was there.

Anyone who is familiar with the history of Radical Islam in the Pathan territories readily knows that Pakistan is actually the real Radical Islamic/Terrorist threat to the west, and not Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Two of the US's most "staunch" Islamic allies. The irony would make me laugh, if it wasn't so serious an issue.
 
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Bin Laden was having a bad week anyway. He was bummed that Casey was voted off Idol and he's was worried about Matt's depression on Survior.
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Oh I don't know, Arsenal beat Man Utd 1-0, so he probably rushed outside shouting "come on you gunners!".
 
Wow, this thread moves fast!

I've been attempting to speed read, but I'm not sure that's possible.

Has anyone got any evidence that a DNA test has been done?

Or have they just taken a sample to compare with his sister who died in a hospital in New York?
 
Orphia Nay said:
Wow, this thread moves fast!
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Yep. :)

I've been attempting to speed read, but I'm not sure that's possible.
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Evelyn claims it is. ;)

Has anyone got any evidence that a DNA test has been done?

Or have they just taken a sample to compare with his sister who died in a hospital in New York?
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According to this:

Yesterday morning, a test that compared the dead man’s DNA with samples collected from relatives, confirmed that the Al Qaeda leader had been killed, the official said on condition that he not be identified.
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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w..._relatives_helped_confirm_identity_yesterday/
 
Sorry for not reading ANYTHING in this thread, a bit busy now.

My feelings about this (legal disclaimer: feelings are not necessarily based on facts or anything else than how it feels):

911 needed a scapegoat, else people would have demanded closer and faster investigation into the strange events of the day than they actually did.

If the scapegoat never existed to begin with, or had nothing to do with it, or was on US side all the time and now lives somewhere after facial surgery, the scapegoat must disappear from the scene sooner or later by other means than being captured and imprisoned. The handy way to do it is to say that you killed him and then threw his body to the sea.

EVIDENCE? None, for ever. Hence my skepticism, for ever.
 
So, uh are you saying that you don't think that Bin Laden had anything to do with all the terrorist attacks linked to him?
 
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