Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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Oystein said:
Clayton, you know more about this than I do.

How many minutes after impact did it take them to collect the videos? How do you know that? I am sure you have sources on that (other than lengthy, tedious youtube videos that make the same claim - youtube video almost never cite sources) - please provide the minutes (I expect numbers) and sources to back up that claim. Thanks.
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I would also like to hear CM's answer to that, too.
 
Clayton Moore said:
A loss?
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Yes, a loss.

Insurance payout minus reconstruction cost minus loss of business (rents payed by tenants). For the Twin Towers, that's

4.6b - 3.1b - 1.8b = -0.3billion US dollars. Notice the negative sign before the result. In accounting, that indicates a loss.
The 1.8 billion in lost business is a VERY conservative estimate, by the way. True loss would be higher. Here is how I calculated it:
- Silversteen pays an annual lease of 100 million to the Port Authority (he still does).
- He signed the deal expecting to make an annual profit that certainly ran into the tens of millions annually.
- Lease and profits add up to around 150 million, and probably a lot more (on an investment of 3 billion, a business man would expect a return of more than the 1.7% that 50 million are). Income from tenant rent, minus maintenance costs which Silverstein doesn't have anymore, must have been at least that high). The new WTC1 won't open before 2013, so Silverstein has this loss for a period of 12 years. 12 * 150 million = 1.8 billion.


So these are my numbers.


Now you calculate who he cut a profit, please, or concede that you can't :)
 
Clayton Moore said:
Nope. Other than it happening within the the first 9 months of their watch, they seemed to have a lot of throwweight and can you imagine the money it must have taken to get all those heavyweights together?
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No, I can't. How much? Where's the paper trail?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Over 80 videos were confiscated. That's a lot of locations.
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But then again, if you're talking about the Jacqueline Maguire list, some weren't obtained for a day or two, a few not until the end of the month, and they only got one set in May 2002, I think. So that's not exactly a rush.
 
You people are so dense. The Pentagon attack hit the ONE area in the Pentagon that was pretty much unoccupied. Go figure.
 
Clayton Moore said:
You people are so dense. The Pentagon attack hit the ONE area in the Pentagon that was pretty much unoccupied. Go figure.
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Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy.

What spin would you have put on it if it were the one area in the Pentagon that housed the strategists on the Middle East, or the one area that was most heavily populated, or the one area where Rummy's office is, or the one area where... (fill in anything you want)?
Hanjour hijacked a plane that flew out west and turned it around. Why should he have hit any other face than the west face?

You people are so gullible.
 
Clayton Moore said:
You people are so dense. The Pentagon attack hit the ONE area in the Pentagon that was pretty much unoccupied. Go figure.
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Was it unoccupied or full of accountants who were on the trail of the "missing" $2.3 trillion? I know this may be hard to believe, but truthers sometimes give differing accounts of the events when they need it.
 
Oystein said:
Yes, a loss.

Insurance payout minus reconstruction cost minus loss of business (rents payed by tenants). For the Twin Towers, that's

4.6b - 3.1b - 1.8b = -0.3billion US dollars. Notice the negative sign before the result. In accounting, that indicates a loss.
The 1.8 billion in lost business is a VERY conservative estimate, by the way. True loss would be higher. Here is how I calculated it:
- Silversteen pays an annual lease of 100 million to the Port Authority (he still does).
- He signed the deal expecting to make an annual profit that certainly ran into the tens of millions annually.
- Lease and profits add up to around 150 million, and probably a lot more (on an investment of 3 billion, a business man would expect a return of more than the 1.7% that 50 million are). Income from tenant rent, minus maintenance costs which Silverstein doesn't have anymore, must have been at least that high). The new WTC1 won't open before 2013, so Silverstein has this loss for a period of 12 years. 12 * 150 million = 1.8 billion.


So these are my numbers.


Now you calculate who he cut a profit, please, or concede that you can't :)
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What? You are suggesting that Silverstein is on the hook for the rebuilding? Please research first then post.
 
RedIbis said:
What? You are suggesting that Silverstein is on the hook for the rebuilding? Please research first then post.
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He was referring to the insurance payout bing allocated to the rebuilding cost. Please learn basic reading comprehnsion skills then post.

Or, back up your defamatory comment that Larry "made out like a bandit." Just kidding, we know you'll never do that.
 
RedIbis said:
You're both wrong.
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lulz!

Well slap my face and call me Sally. Red Ibis is turning his laser like investgoogling skills that resulted in such earth shattering discoveries like "Larry Silverstein made out like a bandit" on me.

Considering that you make up lies like that and refuse to explain yourself, you'll forgive us for thinking your understanding of the insurance recoveries at the WTC ain't worth the paper it isn't printed on.
 
16.5 said:
lulz!

Well slap my face and call me Sally. Red Ibis is turning his laser like investgoogling skills that resulted in such earth shattering discoveries like "Larry Silverstein made out like a bandit" on me.

Considering that you make up lies like that and refuse to explain yourself, you'll forgive us for thinking your understanding of the insurance recoveries at the WTC ain't worth the paper it isn't printed on.
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So you now realize that both you and Oystein were wrong.
 
RedIbis said:
What? You are suggesting that Silverstein is on the hook for the rebuilding? Please research first then post.
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Silverstein is doing so well paying rent on all the buildings he lost at WTC that:

LNR Forecloses On 575 Lexington Ave February 18, 2011 04:00 PM

LNR Property Partners has filed foreclosure papers on 575 Lexington Avenue, a 638,000-square-foot New York office building owned by Silverstein Properties. The servicer filed the papers after being unable to come to an agreement with Silverstein to restructure the $320 million loan, which was split into two and securitized in BACM 2007-1 and BACM 2007-2, according to Trepp, LLC.
http://onespot.wsj.com/realestate/2011/02/02/39b30/silverstein-faces-foreclosure-at-575
 
What's this? Larry Silverstein "made out like a bandit"? I'm intrigued. Kindly elucidate, RedIbis!







I'm kidding of course. He'll do what he always does. Get his a** handed to him and go into his "la la la can't hear you!"-mode when asked for a retraction or explanation. What a piece of...work.
 
RedIbis said:
So you now realize that both you and Oystein were wrong.
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Yeah, I was wrong in thinking you'd ever acknowlege your defamation against Larry Silverstein. I mean, we all knew you'd never find evidence for it, but at least you could, you know, mention it once in a while.
 
16.5 said:
Yeah, I was wrong in thinking you'd ever acknowlege your defamation against Larry Silverstein. I mean, we all knew you'd never find evidence for it, but at least you could, you know, mention it once in a while.
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Given how Jew bashing is rife in the Truther cult, are the attacks on Silverstein largly motivated by anti-semitism?
 
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