Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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You reply cause liars can't help but lie. Coincidence after coincidence. Any 5th grader could see that Lucky Larry did an insurance scam.

Yep, yep. That's what 9/11 was. A big insurance scam. 3000 dead, the economy in shambles for years, two wars all so Larry could make a couple of quick bucks on the insurance. Happens all the time.

World War II? Just a pretext to get a new loading dock built at Pearl Harbor. Hurricane Katrina? New seat covers at the Silverdome.
 
You reply cause liars can't help but lie. Coincidence after coincidence. Any 5th grader could see that Lucky Larry did an insurance scam.

A scam where he cut a loss?
What a stupid Jew, eh?

(5th graders can be fooled by plain lies. You are here among adults, and you ought to realize that many of us have seen the claims, reviewed the sources, done that math, and found you tell lies.)
 
And the distance?

You forgat to address a few questions direct personally at you. Can we assume that you have no answers (evidence, reason), or will you man up instead of weasel out and reply now?

Gravitational collapse of 300,000 tons of steel, concrete, gypsum, aluminium. and everything else.

Or do you think they attached one bomb on almost each body while still alive?
Most of the victims were from the floors above the fire zones. They perished because they could not use the stairs to flee. Most of these tried to escape to places away from the fires and where there is not so much smoke. Did you observe bombs strong enough to rip people into fragment throughout the floors above the fire zone? Did you, or did you not? What does your observation prove, and what does it not prove? Focus, Clayton, Focus!

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You never replied to my post http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7131795&postcount=5409
It smacked down your lye about "explosions" when the south tower came down. I showed you that of two videos you presented, the first is more in line with "no explosion" than with "explosion", despite the speaker's momentary confusion. About the second video I asked where you see (or hear) evidence of explosions.
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Last summer, I found a helpless drunk man in the yard where I park my car. The police I called arrived within minutes and figured the case out.

What spin would you put on if the FBI had NOT arrived at such a high-profile crime scene within minutes and started work immediately?

Clayton, you know more about this than I do.

How many minutes after impact did it take them to collect the videos? How do you know that? I am sure you have sources on that (other than lengthy, tedious youtube videos that make the same claim - youtube video almost never cite sources) - please provide the minutes (I expect numbers) and sources to back up that claim. Thanks.

Which Official Timeline? Is this a document you can cite?
How many minutes (provide numbers) is "a few"?

Clayton - would you do this experiment?

http://xinit.livejournal.com/487809.html

(Kudo's to the creator of it!)


So what?

(There were some more posts without direct requests for you to reply, find them yourself)
 
A scam where he cut a loss?
What a stupid Jew, eh?

(5th graders can be fooled by plain lies. You are here among adults, and you ought to realize that many of us have seen the claims, reviewed the sources, done that math, and found you tell lies.)

It always amuses me that these CT nuts all seem to think that they are the first ones to come here and tell us this nonsense. If they were not so entertaining it would get boring.
 
Love of country makes it impossible to overlook or ignore that truth.

Truth be told, all participants here should take a lie detector test.

Please, you've turned a national tragedy into a meaningless hobby. Let's not pretend your obsession is anything other than that, a hobby.
 
Clayton - please answer this:

(I know it'll be hard and all but give it a whirl)

How does an explosion at the Pentagon get Larry Silverstein any insurance money?
 
A scam where he cut a loss?
What a stupid Jew, eh?

(5th graders can be fooled by plain lies. You are here among adults, and you ought to realize that many of us have seen the claims, reviewed the sources, done that math, and found you tell lies.)

A loss?
 
....Any 5th grader could see that Lucky Larry did an insurance scam.


What? Silverstein had so much clout that he garnered the cooperation of all of the various federal agencies including the executive level of the USA, including the obtaining of the military chemical nano-thermite that was secretly placed in the towers, taking out the Pentagon as a diversion, targeting yet another Washington landmark (Flight 93), involving countless participants that he would have had to pay for their expertise, not to mention other planning expenses - all of this - for an insurance scam?

Are you serious?

I thought you said Cheney and Bush did it to have an excuse to invade the Middle East.

I'm confused now.
 
What? Silverstein had so much clout that he garnered the cooperation of all of the various federal agencies including the executive level of the USA, including the obtaining of the military chemical nano-thermite that was secretly placed in the towers, taking out the Pentagon as a diversion, targeting yet another Washington landmark (Flight 93), involving countless participants that he would have had to pay for their expertise, not to mention other planning expenses - all of this - for an insurance scam?

Are you serious?

I thought you said Cheney and Bush did it to have an excuse to invade the Middle East.

I'm confused now.

How do you convince someone to help DO a crime?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#.22New_Pearl_Harbor.22
"New Pearl Harbor"

Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor" (51).[13]

Inexperienced in realities of war

Former US Congressman Lionel Van Deerlin and UK Labour MP and Father of the House of Commons, Tam Dalyell, criticized PNAC members for promoting policies which support an idealized version of war, even though only a handful of PNAC members have served in the military or, if they served, seen combat.[42]

As quoted in Paul Reynolds' BBC News report, David Rothkopf stated:

Their [The Project for the New American Century's] signal enterprise was the invasion of Iraq and their failure to produce results is clear. Precisely the opposite has happened. The US use of force has been seen as doing wrong and as inflaming a region that has been less than susceptible to democracy. Their plan has fallen on hard times. There were flaws in the conception and horrendously bad execution. The neo-cons have been undone by their own ideas and the incompetence of the Bush administration.[24]

In discussing the PNAC report Rebuilding America's Defenses (2000), Neil MacKay, investigations editor for the Scottish Sunday Herald, quoted Tam Dalyell: "'This is garbage from right-wing think-tanks stuffed with chicken-hawks -- men who have never seen the horror of war but are in love with the idea of war. Men like Cheney, who were draft-dodgers in the Vietnam war. These are the thought processes of fantasist Americans who want to control the world.'"[43]



PNAC statement of Principles
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz
 
So tell me Clayton. Does the PNAC mention anywhere in it that the "catalyzing event" was going to be an inside job, or are you just assuming that?
 
What does that have to do with an insurance scam?

Oh, dear. You have to think so broadly that all your brains spill out of your head here. The plot involved thousands upon thousands of people, each in it for his own specific agenda. Thus Silverstein was in it for an insurance scam, Bush for political power, Cheney wanted some crude oil, the Pentagon in order to get more money for another useless war effort, other people at the Pentagon wanted to kill off some snoopy accountants, some other group had some extra plane parts lying around and thought it would be grand to toss them about in a field in Pennsylvania, etc. etc. :covereyes
 
So tell me Clayton. Does the PNAC mention anywhere in it that the "catalyzing event" was going to be an inside job, or are you just assuming that?

Nope. Other than it happening within the the first 9 months of their watch, they seemed to have a lot of throwweight and can you imagine the money it must have taken to get all those heavyweights together?
 
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