Homosexuality is a choice

[ZirconBlue]

Interesting. I find it difficult to believe, that a heterosexual man could be aroused by another man, but I suppose I shouldn't discount the possibility, since I haven't known anyone who has been in this situation.

Do you think that all the "actors" in gay porn are actually gay?

 

[Marcus]

Sometimes people who are raped have orgasms while being raped. Why? It's biology. The body is programmed to behave in certain ways.

Under normal circumstances it won't come up, no pun intended, a heterosexual man has no reason to try to have sex with another man. But a homosexual man does have reason to have sex with a woman, and that reason is that society places a lot of pressure on people to conform to the norm, and the norm is heterosexuality.

Wow is that really true, about the rape thing? I thought it was just a porn fantasy.

Dude, some of those 'guys' can be just as pretty as girls. Though i guess you would need to be some 'homosexuality' to get the party started, but then again talking about human sexuality in binary terms like 'heterosexual' and 'homosexual' is just dumb.

I'm aware there is a continuum, what surprises me is that a completely straight male would be aroused by a male.

Do you think that all the "actors" in gay porn are actually gay?

I had assumed they were at least bi, to allow them to perform, but perhaps that's wrong.

Okay, I believe you guys, mostly. As a completely binary heterosexual, with no attractions to males whatsoever, I'm still having trouble imagining being aroused by a male against my will, but I don't think I will put it to the test.

 

[DC]

Do you think that all the "actors" in gay porn are actually gay?

well i actually did

 

[katy_did]

Dude, some of those 'guys' can be just as pretty as girls. Though i guess you would need to be some 'homosexuality' to get the party started, but then again talking about human sexuality in binary terms like 'heterosexual' and 'homosexual' is just dumb.

Yeah, this. Talking about sexuality as if it were some kind of fixed identity that a person just is has never made a whole lot of sense to me.

 

[tesscaline]

Wow is that really true, about the rape thing? I thought it was just a porn fantasy.

Yes, it's really true.

I'm aware there is a continuum, what surprises me is that a completely straight male would be aroused by a male.

If you close your eyes, can you really really tell if the mouth on your nether regions is male or female? Really? A mouth is, after all, just a mouth...

I had assumed they were at least bi, to allow them to perform, but perhaps that's wrong.

Yeah, you're wrong. There are plenty of "completely" straight men who do gay porn, just for the money.

Okay, I believe you guys, mostly. As a completely binary heterosexual, with no attractions to males whatsoever, I'm still having trouble imagining being aroused by a male against my will, but I don't think I will put it to the test.

That's fine... The problem is when you take your own incredulousness and try to apply it to situations involving other people.

 

[Marcus]

That's fine... The problem is when you take your own incredulousness and try to apply it to situations involving other people.

Not to worry, these situations don't come up for me in real life.

I will make one further observation, I'm not yet convinced that no thought process is involved. After all, one's hand can cause arousal, but thought is needed, I doubt if any of us become aroused while showering or going to the bathroom.

I would be interested in learning how the heterosexual gay porn actors do it. Do they think about women while performing? In your mouth example, if my eyes were closed and I mistakenly believed a female was involved, certainly I could become aroused. If I knew a male was involved, and I wasn't, say, pretending it was a female, I doubt it.

 

[Marcus]

Wow is that really true, about the rape thing? I thought it was just a porn fantasy

Yes, it's really true.

Not to be too picky, but this is JREF, do you have any evidence for this? I'm not saying that I don't believe you, just that I would like to see the evidence.

 

[Emet]

Not to be too picky, but this is JREF, do you have any evidence for this? I'm not saying that I don't believe you, just that I would like to see the evidence.

Well, short of videos, I'm not sure what evidence you are requesting.

Try these for starters:

http://www.aest.org.uk/survivors/male/myths_about_male_rape.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender

 

[ZirconBlue]

well i actually did

As an example, famed (straight) porn actor "Peter North" got his start in gay porn as "Matt Ramsey".

 

[Alan]

There is one performer who has said that nobody in gay pornography is gay. Jack Roys is his pseudonym.

Which is clearly absurd.

Although saying that about lesbian pornography would for some reason not be taken as such a big claim.

 

[tesscaline]

Not to worry, these situations don't come up for me in real life.

I will make one further observation, I'm not yet convinced that no thought process is involved. After all, one's hand can cause arousal, but thought is needed, I doubt if any of us become aroused while showering or going to the bathroom.

Um... My turn to ask for evidence (someone kindly provided the evidence for my statement for me). What makes you think that "thought is necessary" for physical arousal?

I would be interested in learning how the heterosexual gay porn actors do it. Do they think about women while performing? In your mouth example, if my eyes were closed and I mistakenly believed a female was involved, certainly I could become aroused. If I knew a male was involved, and I wasn't, say, pretending it was a female, I doubt it.

There are any number of ways. I'm not a man, so I can't tell you what men think about. However, if I want to "perform" for someone, but am not turned on enough to do so, I can make myself turned on enough by thinking about something that turns me on (whether that's a person or an act or a set of words depends on the situation). I can also close my eyes and just focus on the physical stimulation separately from any thought about who may be carrying out that physical stimulation. The inside of man's mouth and a woman's mouth really don't feel different from one another (yes, I know that from experience, no I will not go into detail ), just like a blonde's mouth doesn't feel any different from a brunette's.

 

[Marcus]

Well, short of videos, I'm not sure what evidence you are requesting.

Try these for starters:

http://www.aest.org.uk/survivors/male/myths_about_male_rape.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender

That first link is interesting, it is bit muddled because they are addressing rape by a male of a female. They do talk about being aroused against one's will by a female, they may be implying that a male can be aroused against his will by a male, especially in the case of pressure on the prostate gland causing an erection. Unfortunately they don't give any citations, or any links to relevant data or studies on the subject.

Is there a similar page that addresses females having orgasms while being raped?

 

[ThunderChunky]

That first link is interesting, it is bit muddled because they are addressing rape by a male of a female. They do talk about being aroused against one's will by a female, they may be implying that a male can be aroused against his will by a male, especially in the case of pressure on the prostate gland causing an erection. Unfortunately they don't give any citations, or any links to relevant data or studies on the subject.

Is there a similar page that addresses females having orgasms while being raped?

His second link has the reference.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...5d16ed7bc168370c3ef80609c2601bfa&searchtype=a

 

[tesscaline]

That first link is interesting, it is bit muddled because they are addressing rape by a male of a female. They do talk about being aroused against one's will by a female, they may be implying that a male can be aroused against his will by a male, especially in the case of pressure on the prostate gland causing an erection. Unfortunately they don't give any citations, or any links to relevant data or studies on the subject.

Is there a similar page that addresses females having orgasms while being raped?

Being aroused against one's will is being aroused against one's will, whether the person doing the arousing is male or female. I don't know why you think there needs to be a distinction...

 

[JFrankA]

Not to worry, these situations don't come up for me in real life.

I will make one further observation, I'm not yet convinced that no thought process is involved. After all, one's hand can cause arousal, but thought is needed, I doubt if any of us become aroused while showering or going to the bathroom.

I would be interested in learning how the heterosexual gay porn actors do it. Do they think about women while performing? In your mouth example, if my eyes were closed and I mistakenly believed a female was involved, certainly I could become aroused. If I knew a male was involved, and I wasn't, say, pretending it was a female, I doubt it.

Why the focus on male porno actors? There's plenty of female porno actresses who are heterosexual and do girl-on-girl scenes. In fact, there are quite a few who say they are heterosexual and will only have sex with women on film.

Beyond porn, there are a few women I know who are heterosexual, yet, given the right circumstances and setting, would be with a woman. That doesn't make her homosexual nor bi. Just a set of circumstances that fuel her arousal.

 

[DC]

As an example, famed (straight) porn actor "Peter North" got his start in gay porn as "Matt Ramsey".

ha another sterotype is , porn actors are lousy actors

 

[GrandMasterFox]

I'm not yet convinced that no thought process is involved.

So you think there's no such thing as drugs that cause you to get arousel even against your own will?

What about strangulation?

 

[Mycroft]

So you think there's no such thing as drugs that cause you to get arousel even against your own will?

What about strangulation?

Viagra is probably less risky.

 

[Marcus]

Why the focus on male porno actors? There's plenty of female porno actresses who are heterosexual and do girl-on-girl scenes. In fact, there are quite a few who say they are heterosexual and will only have sex with women on film.

Beyond porn, there are a few women I know who are heterosexual, yet, given the right circumstances and setting, would be with a woman. That doesn't make her homosexual nor bi. Just a set of circumstances that fuel her arousal.

Since female porn acting involves a lot of fake orgasms ( I think I'm safe in making that assumption!) it would be rather harder to tell if they were becoming aroused. Still, if a woman is being truthful about regularly having orgasms on screen with another woman, that really sounds like she's bisexual.

Yes, I know, it's a continuum, in the example of your friends above, perhaps they are 2's on a 1 to 10 scale.

 

[JFrankA]

Since female porn acting involves a lot of fake orgasms ( I think I'm safe in making that assumption!) it would be rather harder to tell if they were becoming aroused. Still, if a woman is being truthful about regularly having orgasms on screen with another woman, that really sounds like she's bisexual.

Yes, I know, it's a continuum, in the example of your friends above, perhaps they are 2's on a 1 to 10 scale.

The more I read this thread, the less I'm convinced that sexual orientation as a "scale". A scale is too limiting and strict, and people's emotions and desires are not like that. I believe it's a mix of nature and nurture, throw in a lot of emotions, fantasies, circumstance and type of people involved, and everyone is bisexual or not, depending on the elements above.

...just an opinion.