Why is there a double standard for Judaism?

DC said:
there is no collective guilt. Nobody ever told me that i am guilty for the deeds of the Nazis, not even for the swiss banksters that stole gold and money from Jews back then.
Not even Germans are guilty for what their Nazi parents did.

you are talking BS
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Yet the manipulation of WWII guilt by Israel remains a regular topic in Israeli newspapers. There is regular reference to German guilt which is a pagan idea. The OP raised an issue. I suggested it is manipulation of guilt. If you have been reading the thread someone posted (without objection) that there was also collective guilt for not doing enough to help the Jews. That is also a regular theme in Israeli newspapers. (You can't do enough for some people.)

I use pagan as the opposite of Christian. Is that what bothers you? Judaism has group guilt. Islam does not. It is hardly surprising Israel keeps using collective guilt to judge arbitrary groups or as the Israeli newspapers say groups with the deepest pockets.

Leaving religion out of it, there is only legal guilt which is what is assigned in a court of law and nothing more than that. It is just a matter of getting caught and/or losing in court. It is a purely personal matter.
 
Matt Giwer said:
Yet the manipulation of WWII guilt by Israel remains a regular topic in Israeli newspapers. There is regular reference to German guilt which is a pagan idea. The OP raised an issue. I suggested it is manipulation of guilt. If you have been reading the thread someone posted (without objection) that there was also collective guilt for not doing enough to help the Jews. That is also a regular theme in Israeli newspapers. (You can't do enough for some people.)

I use pagan as the opposite of Christian. Is that what bothers you? Judaism has group guilt. Islam does not. It is hardly surprising Israel keeps using collective guilt to judge arbitrary groups or as the Israeli newspapers say groups with the deepest pockets.

Leaving religion out of it, there is only legal guilt which is what is assigned in a court of law and nothing more than that. It is just a matter of getting caught and/or losing in court. It is a purely personal matter.
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What have Israeli Newspapers to do with it?
This topic is about Switzerland, christians jews and muslims.
I never have met a foreign jew in switzerland, every single one of them was actually swiss and i think even born here but that is of no importance.
Israel has absolutely nothing to do with it in the way you seem to believe.
you are so full of your hatred against jews and Israelis that you cannot talk about anything else. even here where its partially about jews you need to toss in your disgusting hatred and propaganda.
Hitler is dead, get over it.
 
DC said:
this part is used against holocasut deniers. but it never was applied to SVP politicans that publicy claim that Islam demands tmoslems to kill all non muslims
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It's still not a double standard. The law as written applies to not only Jews, Muslims, but Christians and ethnicities as well. You're complaining of Islamophobia, but you're setting up a false dichotomy between Jews and Muslims.

If you want to talk about Switzerland's Islamophobia, do so. But I have no idea why you need contrast it with your perception of Swiss judeophilia.

the laws dont get applied evenly. they are getting applied in favor of jews.
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No, they aren't. Jews are getting even treatment under the law, the same treatment as everybody else except Muslims.

If I lived in a country where the police didn't arrest people who assaulted Chinese, I would complain that the police were anti-Chinese. I wouldn't complaint that the police were pro-Jewish because they arrest people who assault Jews.

And the fact that you are doing this does not paint a pretty picture of your own prejudices. Perhaps you have more in common with Matt Giwer than you would like to admit. I don't think you realized how your argument has an unflattering assumption in it. But you need to re-examine that argument in the light of the actual law cited and stop making this about Jews.

the outcry about halal and kosher is very different while we have far more kosher butchers than halal butchers.
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And you have even more butchers who are neither kosher nor halal. The problem is that people are complaining about Muslims, not that they should be complaining more about Jews or non-vegetarians.

You may be correct about the Swiss' islamophobia. But you are doing it with your own logical fallacy that intimates that Jews are being treated better than, say, the Swiss.
 
marksman said:
It's still not a double standard. The law as written applies to not only Jews, Muslims, but Christians and ethnicities as well. You're complaining of Islamophobia, but you're setting up a false dichotomy between Jews and Muslims.

If you want to talk about Switzerland's Islamophobia, do so. But I have no idea why you need contrast it with your perception of Swiss judeophilia.


No, they aren't. Jews are getting even treatment under the law, the same treatment as everybody else except Muslims.

If I lived in a country where the police didn't arrest people who assaulted Chinese, I would complain that the police were anti-Chinese. I wouldn't complaint that the police were pro-Jewish because they arrest people who assault Jews.

And the fact that you are doing this does not paint a pretty picture of your own prejudices. Perhaps you have more in common with Matt Giwer than you would like to admit. I don't think you realized how your argument has an unflattering assumption in it. But you need to re-examine that argument in the light of the actual law cited and stop making this about Jews.


And you have even more butchers who are neither kosher nor halal. The problem is that people are complaining about Muslims, not that they should be complaining more about Jews or non-vegetarians.

You may be correct about the Swiss' islamophobia. But you are doing it with your own logical fallacy that intimates that Jews are being treated better than, say, the Swiss.
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erm i used the two groups to show a contrast. and i surely have very much in comon with Matt Giver. but not a hatred of jews.
 
DC said:
erm i used the two groups to show a contrast.
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Except you're not complaining about contrast because you haven't shown that Jews are favored over the population at large.

The contrast is that Muslims are disfavored over everyone else. The fact that "everyone else" includes Jews should be irrelevant. The fact that you felt the need to single out Jews is discomforting.
 
bikerdruid said:
utter nonsense.
the world does not approve of israelis stealing land from their neighbours.
that is just common sense.
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The "world" says Jewish settlements. They don't say Israeli settlements.

And then they blame people for thinking that they don't understand the difference. That's because they're hateful and stupid.
 
marksman said:
Except you're not complaining about contrast because you haven't shown that Jews are favored over the population at large.

The contrast is that Muslims are disfavored over everyone else. The fact that "everyone else" includes Jews should be irrelevant. The fact that you felt the need to single out Jews is discomforting.
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ok i see how it was a bad example. but the other examle, of public hospitals does show that the smaller group of jews gets favored over the larger group of moslems. again this is not the fault of those two groups, its our fault.
 
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DC said:
we have roughly 0.2% of the population that is Jewish.

we have several Kosher butchers and shops offering kosher stuff.
in public hospitals you get offered Kosher food if you wish so.
There is no restriction of what parts of their synagogues they are allowed to build. We have several synagogues.
Denial of the Holocaust is against the laws.

we have almost 6% moslems.

many people hate the idea that we have 1 Halal butcher in our country.
in public hospitals you are not able to get a halal meal.
WE restricted what parts of their mosques they can build.
Politicans (especially SVP) are making the most unbelievable claims about Islam and moslems. it seems acceptable to openly express your Islamaphobia and blatant lies about them.

Groups that say similar stuff about jews are under observation by the police, we keep an eye on them. Not so when you concentrate on Moslems.

why?
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No recent Jewish suicide bombers.

Was your question meant as a joke?
 
DC said:
ok i see how it was a bad example. but the other examle, of public hospitals does show that the smaller group of jews gets favored over the larger group of moslems. again this is not the fault of those two groups, its our fault.
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So the fact that hospitals in Switzerland serve kosher but not halal food is evidence of a double standard? Seems like kind of a weak point to argue. Do you have evidence that there is demand for halal food in Swiss hospitals?
 
mortimer said:
So the fact that hospitals in Switzerland serve kosher but not halal food is evidence of a double standard? Seems like kind of a weak point to argue. Do you have evidence that there is demand for halal food in Swiss hospitals?
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if there are muslim patients in swiss hospitals, there is a demand for halal food.
it's that simple.
since there are many more muslims in switzerland than jews, this seems like a 'no brainer' to me.
 
bikerdruid said:
if there are muslim patients in swiss hospitals, there is a demand for halal food.
it's that simple.
since there are many more muslims in switzerland than jews, this seems like a 'no brainer' to me.
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I guess I would need to see evidence that 1) hospitals don't allow Halal food in Switzerland and if so, 2) there is actually a demand for it. Perhaps Muslims who want Halal food in the hospital bring it in themselves...
 
bikerdruid said:
if there are muslim patients in swiss hospitals, there is a demand for halal food.
it's that simple.
since there are many more muslims in switzerland than jews, this seems like a 'no brainer' to me.
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So the number of people with "special needs" is important for you? How many people who need to go to Swiss hospitals are smokers? Are their needs taken care of? How many people are "fast-food" junkies? Are their needs taken care of? How many are claustrophobic? Are their needs taken care of? How many are terrorists? Are their needs taken care of? How many are idiots? Are their needs taken care of?
 
DanishDynamite said:
So the number of people with "special needs" is important for you? How many people who need to go to Swiss hospitals are smokers? Are their needs taken care of? How many people are "fast-food" junkies? Are their needs taken care of? How many are claustrophobic? Are their needs taken care of? How many are terrorists? Are their needs taken care of? How many are idiots? Are their needs taken care of?
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this response is asinine in the extreme....:rolleyes:
 
DanishDynamite said:
Thank you for your contribution to this thread. When you feel you have something relevant to contribute, please do so.
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perhaps you should read my post :

Originally Posted by bikerdruid
if there are muslim patients in swiss hospitals, there is a demand for halal food.
it's that simple.
since there are many more muslims in switzerland than jews, this seems like a 'no brainer' to me.

i did contribute....you should try it yourself.:)
 
bikerdruid said:
perhaps you should read my post :

Originally Posted by bikerdruid
if there are muslim patients in swiss hospitals, there is a demand for halal food.
it's that simple.
since there are many more muslims in switzerland than jews, this seems like a 'no brainer' to me.

i did contribute....you should try it yourself.:)
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Are you blind? I read your post and I responded to it.
 
I guess another question would be, how available are kosher vs. halal products in Switzerland? I don't imagine that hospitals house a kosher slaughterhouse in their basements; they buy what's available to them.
 
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