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Newtonian Physics EASILY prove 9/11 was a controlled demolition! There's NO WAY around, no matter how hard you try! I wish it wasn't true, but reality is reality.

It would help if you actually understood newtonian physics...

But then again, you believe the that the towers "disintegrated" so why am I not surprised you don't understand any physics?
 
Newtonian Physics EASILY prove 9/11 was a controlled demolition! There's NO WAY around, no matter how hard you try! I wish it wasn't true, but reality is reality.

Have you tried shouting that from the top of a green hill, in pastoral Wales? Maybe that will make it true, as nothing else I can think of would. Couldn't hurt to try walky.
 
  1. Freefall is not empirically or theoretically indicative of CD - you make a FALSE claim there. David Chandler, the truther guy who found that period of near-freefall, has also analysed videos of real explosive CDs and never found periods of free fall.
  2. It is FALSE to ckaim that "Building 7" showed free fall. I am sure this has been pointed out to you many times before. Please note that only parts of one facade exhibited this quirk, not the building as a whole, and do not repeat that FALSEHOOD, please!
  3. Femr2 has improved on NIST's and Chandler's analysis and shown that even >G accelerattions happened for short times. This is inconsistent with a completely severed structure. >G means that the assembly has a working connection to other parts of the building (the floors, the core) which pulled it down
  4. You make a FALSE implication that support for the north face was "instantaneously" removed. That this is FALSE is proven by the video data analysed by Chandler, NIST and Femr2 that clearly show no such incontinuity at the onset of free fall. Acceleration rather increased quite smoothly. from 0g to 1g (and slightly beyond) indicating that support was lost continually over a period of time, consistent with a theory of progressive, natural collapse, and decidedly NOT instantaneously. Please note the FALSEHOOD of your claim, and make sure you don't repeat it!

Why would the NIST lie about freefall? Or even mention it, for that matter, if it were not true?
 
- According to NIST, “This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories, or 32.0 meters (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s [a period of 2.25 seconds]."

*Only explosives can instantaneously remove 8 stories allowing the upper structure to accelerate downwards in free fall. The absolute free fall of Building 7 over a period of 2.25 seconds is by itself overwhelming evidence that explosives were used to bring down the building.

So The only explosions were the impacts of the aircraft with the buildings and the fuel fireball
where was any later explosion?
Nothing on any of the video sound tracks.
Musta been that Hushaboom....
 
*Only explosives can instantaneously remove 8 stories allowing the upper structure to accelerate downwards in free fall. The absolute free fall of Building 7 over a period of 2.25 seconds is by itself overwhelming evidence that explosives were used to bring down the building.

It's already been conclusively proven that there were no explosives of any kind used in WTC7 during its collapse.

What evidence is there of failures occurring a dozen floors below the east penthouse? In the videos I only see light through windows one floor below the roofline of the main building.
The following is taken from The National Institute of Standards and Technology's youtube channel.



WTC7-001a.jpg

WTC7, just prior to the start of the 16 second collapse sequence. NIST is one of the few youtube vids that show the early part of the collapse sequence. East Mechanical Penthouse is marked.

WTC7-002a.jpg

Roofline of the EMP has buckled, the collapse is now underway, and probably has been for a few seconds prior to this. Some damage (circled in blue) has appeared on a window pane several floors directly underneath the collapsing penthouse.
WTC7-003a.jpg

Failure of the EMP continues, the majority of the structure remains on top of the building at this point, however the damage several floors below has gotten worse. three windows appear to be broken. Separated from eachother by intact windows. We know that this is not due to a blast event, because an explosive shockwave powerful enough to rend structural steel would have taken out every window on that floor, possibly others above and below. Explosive shockwaves don't pick and choose what they destroy in this manner.

WTC7-004a.jpg

The EMP is almost completely gone by this point. The damage several floors down is worse again. Having eliminated blast events as the cause, and since it started simultaneously with the beginning of the EMPs collapse, a more likely explanation is weakening and failure of nearby structural supports, twisting and distortion of the buildings frame has affected the windows closest to the initial failure. It is obviously this failure deep inside the main body of WTC7 which caused the collapse of the East Mechanical Penthouse and is directly related to the collapse of the building as whole.
 
Why would the NIST lie about freefall? Or even mention it, for that matter, if it were not true?

Huh? What lie are you talking about here? Can you cite the passage in the NIST report that you are refering to, and explain how it is refuted by what I wrote? I don't understand the question. To my knowledge, NIST did not "lie about freefall", and I did not say that "it were not true"
 
Was a quite normal procedure for the controlled demolition team to install the cutting charges to remove "first" the internal support columns inside the building seven and allow the WTC building seven to fall basically on its own footprint, this is the reason the internal of the building seven fell first. The controlled demolition of WTC building seven was a standard/usual controlled demolition procedure because was not hit by an airplane , on the other hand to bring down the WTC North and South towers, the controlled demolition team choose to start the controlled demolition from the point of airliner impact because bring down on 9/11 the WTC North and South starting the usual demolition detonations from the lowest street level will make the disintegration of the towers looks suspicious even for george bush and glenn beck
 
Was a quite normal procedure for the controlled demolition team to install the cutting charges to remove "first" the internal support columns inside the building seven and allow the WTC building seven to fall basically on its own footprint, this is the reason the internal of the building seven fell first. The controlled demolition of WTC building seven was a standard/usual controlled demolition procedure because was not hit by an airplane , on the other hand to bring down the WTC North and South towers, the controlled demolition team choose to start the controlled demolition from the point of airliner impact because bring down on 9/11 the WTC North and South starting the usual demolition detonations from the lowest street level will make the disintegration of the towers looks suspicious even for george bush and glenn beck


/me shakes his head.
No. Just... no.
 
Was a quite normal procedure for the controlled demolition team to install the cutting charges to remove "first" the internal support columns inside the building seven and allow the WTC building seven to fall basically on its own footprint, this is the reason the internal of the building seven fell first. The controlled demolition of WTC building seven was a standard/usual controlled demolition procedure because was not hit by an airplane , on the other hand to bring down the WTC North and South towers, the controlled demolition team choose to start the controlled demolition from the point of airliner impact because bring down on 9/11 the WTC North and South starting the usual demolition detonations from the lowest street level will make the disintegration of the towers looks suspicious even for george bush and glenn beck

Do you write any other fairy tales?
 
To all my friends here;
I will not be on the forums much over the next few months. I have a lot of work to do both for my job and at our small summer cottage(where there is no internet anyway).

So much more enjoyable than argueing with posters such as valk.
 
The controlled demolition of WTC building seven was a standard/usual controlled demolition procedure because was not hit by an airplane

......You mean "standard" in that it was about twice the size of the WORLD RECORD.


Please answer this (yea right)

Are you under the impression that ALL buildings which have collapsed all over the world are due to airplane impacts?
 
To all my friends here;
I will not be on the forums much over the next few months. I have a lot of work to do both for my job and at our small summer cottage(where there is no internet anyway).

So much more enjoyable than argueing with posters such as valk.

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Was a quite normal procedure for the controlled demolition team to install the cutting charges to remove "first" the internal support columns inside the building seven and allow the WTC building seven to fall basically on its own footprint, this is the reason the internal of the building seven fell first. The controlled demolition of WTC building seven was a standard/usual controlled demolition procedure because was not hit by an airplane , on the other hand to bring down the WTC North and South towers, the controlled demolition team choose to start the controlled demolition from the point of airliner impact because bring down on 9/11 the WTC North and South starting the usual demolition detonations from the lowest street level will make the disintegration of the towers looks suspicious even for george bush and glenn beck

This nonsense isn't even entertaining.

 
Oh, Clayton is in this thread! In case you missed this before the page break, here's a bump for you:

Why would the NIST lie about freefall? Or even mention it, for that matter, if it were not true?

Huh? What lie are you talking about here? Can you cite the passage in the NIST report that you are refering to, and explain how it is refuted by what I wrote? I don't understand the question. To my knowledge, NIST did not "lie about freefall", and I did not say that "it were not true"
 
Why would the NIST lie about freefall? Or even mention it, for that matter, if it were not true?

The NIST statement...

In Stage 2, the north face descended at gravitational acceleration, as exterior column buckling progressed and the columns provided negligible support to the upper portion of the north face. This freefall drop continued for approximately 8 stories (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s.

...is misleading if read literally, and the values stated are inaccurate.

A more accurate representation of the WTC7 acceleration profile (for the NW corner) is...
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Note the amount of time that the red line is ON the black line. That is the amount of time the NW corner descended AT freefall.

Do you require explanation as to why this graph conflicts with your personal viewpoint ?
 
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