Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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It's you who's weaseling, Oystein. Your pathetic ad-hom drama now spans a whole page. cicorp asked you to stop it. We all know who Tony is.

Sorry, CE, but Oystein has a point...and I believe you know that.

If it were one of us that tried to label a professional to back up a particular statement that you didn't agree with, and that professional had little or no reason to have a legit opinion of that statement, the first letters you would have typed would be of the negative variety.

It does matter...because cicorp has this belief that the word "engineer" automatically means "he knows what he's talking about when it comes to buildings falling down". He already said the word "engineer" was "good enough for him".

He's wrong...and you have the common sense to know that.
 
Sorry, CE, but Oystein has a point...and I believe you know that.

If it were one of us that tried to label a professional to back up a particular statement that you didn't agree with, and that professional had little or no reason to have a legit opinion of that statement, the first letters you would have typed would be of the negative variety.

It does matter...because cicorp has this belief that the word "engineer" automatically means "he knows what he's talking about when it comes to buildings falling down". He already said the word "engineer" was "good enough for him".

He's wrong...and you have the common sense to know that.

Casey Jones was an engineer too.
 
Sorry, CE, but Oystein has a point...and I believe you know that.

If it were one of us that tried to label a professional to back up a particular statement that you didn't agree with, and that professional had little or no reason to have a legit opinion of that statement, the first letters you would have typed would be of the negative variety.

It does matter...because cicorp has this belief that the word "engineer" automatically means "he knows what he's talking about when it comes to buildings falling down". He already said the word "engineer" was "good enough for him".

He's wrong...and you have the common sense to know that.

Not that I want to ruin the atmosphere but even if cicorp intended to use the engineer qualification to heighten Szamboti's qualifications that qualification is pretty much wiped out as is with him already stepping into issues that are clearly beyond his qualifications, and for that matter showing a lack of qualification in the areas he's studied wrt the 9/11 conspiracies. cicorp simply can't use him at all regardless of his professional status...

I think the entire debate could've been clinched with just that... call me whatever, but that's my stance at least....
 
Professional Mechanical Engineer Tony Szamboti mentioned in his speech at the University of Hartford that NIST's experiment set the simulation so that WTC 7's steel thermal conductivity was zero. That means it did not dissipate any heat, as normal steel would, thus creating an artificially high temperature of steel.

http://911blogger.com/news/2011-04-...why-nist-report-non-explanatory-tony-szamboti

He also said:

"Each floor of the WTC 7 was the size of a football field." (about 100 yards wide)
"Nobody does a failure analysis by not saving physical evidence. Nobody." (Steel evidence was removed))
"The destruction of evidence warrants an investigation in and of itself." (tampering with a Federal crime scene.)
"There were sheer studs on the girders" (reinforcements that the NIST computer model did not have)
"NIST's model did not allow for heat dissipation through the steel" (NIST said steel thermal conductivity was zero, unrealistic)
"Concrete has the same differential coefficient of expansion as steel" (NIST model did not, which tears concrete from steel)
"The vertical load capacity of a beam when it has a slight local buckling is generally not upset." (it still can support a floor)
"They didn't test this" (NIST did no experiments with physical steel, just computer models)
The beams had 6 times the strength needed to resist buckling.
"NIST is telling us that the entire interior collapsed before the exterior...ludicrous"
"The NIST report is unfortunately, thoroughly bogus."
"Fires could not have caused the collapse of this enormous building."
If we don't expose the criminals of 9/11, they may go on and commit other crimes.
Too bad he did not use engineering to figure out 911.

Fire did it, Tony needs to figure out what fire and gravity are. Looks like he has a problem with NIST. He attacks NIST since he has no evidence, no paper in a journal to prove his failed claims. 10 years of failure and Tony is leading the way.

Tony is a conspiracy theorist on 911, he blames it on people who he can't name, when 19 terrorists did it. He thinks a building that burned all day with no fire fighting, and no fire systems working can not be destroyed. Even building which have not fallen and fires were fought have not survived to be used again, they had to be destroyed.

Using WTC 7 as evidence of an inside job is insanity. Fire did it, we better round up fire so he can not commit another crime. Tony?

Go ahead cicorp, prove one of Tony's claims.
 
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Too bad he did not use engineering to figure out 911.

Fire did it, Tony needs to figure out what fire and gravity are. Looks like he has a problem with NIST. He attacks NIST since he has no evidence, no paper in a journal to prove his failed claims. 10 years of failure and Tony is leading the way.

Tony is a conspiracy theorist on 911, he blames it on people who he can't name, when 19 terrorists did it. He thinks a building that burned all day with no fire fighting, and no fire systems working can not be destroyed. Even building which have not fallen and fires were fought have not survived to be used again, they had to be destroyed.

Using WTC 7 as evidence of an inside job is insanity. Fire did it, we better round up fire so he can not commit another crime. Tony?

Go ahead cicorp, prove one of Tony's claims.

Or Tony's full theory........ what am I saying?
 
Maybe if we wanted to know how a motor failed, or how a bracket holding an elevator door failed, but not an entire building. That is the problem there Cicorp, you're appealing to a FALSE authority. I would not ask a mechanical engineer about structural engineering. Sorry, not an authority on buildings.

Maybe if we wanted to know what HVAC equipment to put in there!! LOL!!

All similarities between structural and mechanical engineers end with basic course like statics and mechanics of materials. I high doubt that a mechanical engineering student would even come near to courses like

Applied Mechanics in Structural Engineering
Structural Analysis
Computer Methods of Structural Analysis
Steel Structures Design
Concrete Structures Design
Prestressed Concrete Design
Low-Rise Building Analysis and Design
Structural Dynamics and Earthquake Engineering
Finite Element Application in Structural Design
Design in Steel and Lightweight Structures
 
- According to NIST, “This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories, or 32.0 meters (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s [a period of 2.25 seconds]."

*Only explosives can instantaneously remove 8 stories allowing the upper structure to accelerate downwards in free fall. The absolute free fall of Building 7 over a period of 2.25 seconds is by itself overwhelming evidence that explosives were used to bring down the building.
 
- According to NIST, “This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories, or 32.0 meters (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s [a period of 2.25 seconds]."

*Only explosives can instantaneously remove 8 stories allowing the upper structure to accelerate downwards in free fall. The absolute free fall of Building 7 over a period of 2.25 seconds is by itself overwhelming evidence that explosives were used to bring down the building.
... yeeah... I'm gonna go ahead & guess that its been pointed out to you that the 2.25 drop wasn't the entire 8 stories, but the north face.
 
Newtonian Physics EASILY prove 9/11 was a controlled demolition! There's NO WAY around, no matter how hard you try! I wish it wasn't true, but reality is reality.
 
- According to NIST, “This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories, or 32.0 meters (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s [a period of 2.25 seconds]."

*Only explosives can instantaneously remove 8 stories allowing the upper structure to accelerate downwards in free fall. The absolute free fall of Building 7 over a period of 2.25 seconds is by itself overwhelming evidence that explosives were used to bring down the building.

  1. Freefall is not empirically or theoretically indicative of CD - you make a FALSE claim there. David Chandler, the truther guy who found that period of near-freefall, has also analysed videos of real explosive CDs and never found periods of free fall.
  2. It is FALSE to ckaim that "Building 7" showed free fall. I am sure this has been pointed out to you many times before. Please note that only parts of one facade exhibited this quirk, not the building as a whole, and do not repeat that FALSEHOOD, please!
  3. Femr2 has improved on NIST's and Chandler's analysis and shown that even >G accelerattions happened for short times. This is inconsistent with a completely severed structure. >G means that the assembly has a working connection to other parts of the building (the floors, the core) which pulled it down
  4. You make a FALSE implication that support for the north face was "instantaneously" removed. That this is FALSE is proven by the video data analysed by Chandler, NIST and Femr2 that clearly show no such incontinuity at the onset of free fall. Acceleration rather increased quite smoothly. from 0g to 1g (and slightly beyond) indicating that support was lost continually over a period of time, consistent with a theory of progressive, natural collapse, and decidedly NOT instantaneously. Please note the FALSEHOOD of your claim, and make sure you don't repeat it!
 
Newtonian Physics EASILY prove 9/11 was a controlled demolition! There's NO WAY around, no matter how hard you try! I wish it wasn't true, but reality is reality.

"Newtonian Physics" s a buzz word in the mouth of truthers who never actually apply Newtonian Physics to any problem of 9/11. They don't design models to describe the problem, don't look up the applicable formulas of Newtonian Physics, don't bother to fill in plausible numbers, and thus haven't done the math without which any speculation about the results of Newtonian Physics is moot.

walkyrie, where is your application of Newtonian Physics to any specific problem?
 
Newtonian Physics EASILY prove 9/11 was a controlled demolition! There's NO WAY around, no matter how hard you try! I wish it wasn't true, but reality is reality.

Yes, but Quantum Physics EASILY proves otherwise. And nothing beats Quantum Physics. So there!
 
Weird. I've been arguing with a "NEUTRONIUM FISIX" guy on YouTube over the past day or so. I had no idea it was such a buzzword. When did this start?
 
Weird. I've been arguing with a "NEUTRONIUM FISIX" guy on YouTube over the past day or so. I had no idea it was such a buzzword. When did this start?

Neutronium?!?

FINALLY, they come up with a plausible narrative! All the conspirators had to do was get several chunks of neutron star and put it in the basements of the three buildings.

It explains everything! What an elegant solution!

;)
 
Newtonian Physics EASILY prove 9/11 was a controlled demolition! There's NO WAY around, no matter how hard you try! I wish it wasn't true, but reality is reality.

If you were in touch with reality I would give some credence to your words.
 
- According to NIST, “This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories, or 32.0 meters (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s [a period of 2.25 seconds]."

*Only explosives can instantaneously remove 8 stories allowing the upper structure to accelerate downwards in free fall. The absolute free fall of Building 7 over a period of 2.25 seconds is by itself overwhelming evidence that explosives were used to bring down the building.

<facepalm>
but at least you aren't claiming that they disintegrated anymore... that appears to be an improvement.

lack of overwhelming evidence
no detonators found
no det cord found
no explosions recorded which match the sound of an CD charges going off on any video of the collapse
no radio detonators
no unexploded explosives found
bomb smelling dogs never found any either before or after..

Yup.. that is definately "overwhelming" evidence. (another word you don't know... it would be underwhelming... but you can't even get to that level of meh.)
 
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