Why is there a double standard for Judaism?

[DC]

we have roughly 0.2% of the population that is Jewish.

we have several Kosher butchers and shops offering kosher stuff.
in public hospitals you get offered Kosher food if you wish so.
There is no restriction of what parts of their synagogues they are allowed to build. We have several synagogues.
Denial of the Holocaust is against the laws.

we have almost 6% moslems.

many people hate the idea that we have 1 Halal butcher in our country.
in public hospitals you are not able to get a halal meal.
WE restricted what parts of their mosques they can build.
Politicans (especially SVP) are making the most unbelievable claims about Islam and moslems. it seems acceptable to openly express your Islamaphobia and blatant lies about them.

Groups that say similar stuff about jews are under observation by the police, we keep an eye on them. Not so when you concentrate on Moslems.

why?

 

[Matt Giwer]

we have roughly 0.2% of the population that is Jewish.

we have several Kosher butchers and shops offering kosher stuff.
in public hospitals you get offered Kosher food if you wish so.
There is no restriction of what parts of their synagogues they are allowed to build. We have several synagogues.
Denial of the Holocaust is against the laws.

we have almost 6% moslems.

many people hate the idea that we have 1 Halal butcher in our country.
in public hospitals you are not able to get a halal meal.
WE restricted what parts of their mosques they can build.
Politicans (especially SVP) are making the most unbelievable claims about Islam and moslems. it seems acceptable to openly express your Islamaphobia and blatant lies about them.

Groups that say similar stuff about jews are under observation by the police, we keep an eye on them. Not so when you concentrate on Moslems.

why?

World War II guilt.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

World War II guilt.

More than 10 million people, most of them jews, were systematically murdered.

That's a lot to feel guilty for. For both the countries that did it and for those who ask themselves if they did enough to stop it.

 

[DC]

World War II guilt.

i feel not guilty about that. why should i.

 

[Last of the Fraggles]

we have roughly 0.2% of the population that is Jewish.

we have several Kosher butchers and shops offering kosher stuff.
in public hospitals you get offered Kosher food if you wish so.
There is no restriction of what parts of their synagogues they are allowed to build. We have several synagogues.
Denial of the Holocaust is against the laws.

we have almost 6% moslems.

many people hate the idea that we have 1 Halal butcher in our country.
in public hospitals you are not able to get a halal meal.
WE restricted what parts of their mosques they can build.
Politicans (especially SVP) are making the most unbelievable claims about Islam and moslems. it seems acceptable to openly express your Islamaphobia and blatant lies about them.

Groups that say similar stuff about jews are under observation by the police, we keep an eye on them. Not so when you concentrate on Moslems.

why?

Presumably its something to do with the relatively recent influx of Muslims vs Jews and how they are still regarded as 'outsiders' and 'immigrants' whereas Jews are not?

 

[DC]

Presumably its something to do with the relatively recent influx of Muslims vs Jews and how they are still regarded as 'outsiders' and 'immigrants' whereas Jews are not?

well it is kinda funny, te right wingers here are complaining becuse Muslims dont integrate themselve, some of their woman keep walking around with headscarfes, and they often stay among eachother. they often can't speak proper german.

Here i see relative much Orthodox Jews, they wear their traditional clothes, they barely speak an understandable language. They almost never meet with non jewish families.

one group is constantly in spotlight and it is demanded that they integrate, for the other group it seems perfectly ok to not integrate.

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

*rubs eyes*

Because they don't need to.

they are still regarded as 'outsiders' and 'immigrants' whereas Jews are not?

Has nothing to do with integration.

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

Also, why is "You are subscribed to this thread" in the link?

 

[DC]

Also, why is "You are subscribed to this thread" in the link?

i dont know, i reported it already, is a mistake.

 

[DC]

*rubs eyes*

Because they don't need to.


Has nothing to do with integration.

sadly that is very true.
my boss, came from Turkey (Kurd), he speaks our language pretty well, has a swiss passport, loves Switzerland, and when you ask him what nationality he is, he proudly says, swiss, but mostly people ask him them, but in real i meant.....

 

[Mycroft]

we have roughly 0.2% of the population that is Jewish.

we have several Kosher butchers and shops offering kosher stuff.
in public hospitals you get offered Kosher food if you wish so.
There is no restriction of what parts of their synagogues they are allowed to build. We have several synagogues.
Denial of the Holocaust is against the laws.

we have almost 6% moslems.

many people hate the idea that we have 1 Halal butcher in our country.
in public hospitals you are not able to get a halal meal.
WE restricted what parts of their mosques they can build.
Politicans (especially SVP) are making the most unbelievable claims about Islam and moslems. it seems acceptable to openly express your Islamaphobia and blatant lies about them.

Groups that say similar stuff about jews are under observation by the police, we keep an eye on them. Not so when you concentrate on Moslems.

why?

From your description, it seems your double-standard is for Muslims, not Jews.

 

[DC]

From your description, it seems your double-standard is for Muslims, not Jews.

both groups have a double standard applied to them. One possitive one negative.
One group gets special protection by laws, the other gets special discrimination by laws.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

I find it interesting as well. I mean, the kosher things is probably just economics. Judaism has more of a cultural legacy around here, so it is probably an in-group/out-group thing. Of course, there is still plenty of anti-semitism, which I always find odd. There are actually more Buddhists than Muslims in the US, but people don't seem to care that much either way .

 

[funk de fino]

one group is constantly in spotlight and it is demanded that they integrate, for the other group it seems perfectly ok to not integrate.

This is where the most hypocrisy lies.

 

[Mycroft]

both groups have a double standard applied to them. One possitive one negative.
One group gets special protection by laws, the other gets special discrimination by laws.

I don't think tolerance is a double standard, that's what every group should expect.

 

[DC]

I don't think tolerance is a double standard, that's what every group should expect.

limiting free speech is more than tolerance.
but other than that i agree, tolerance should be expected for both groups.

 

[Mikemcc]

Seems strange to me, in the UK we treat Halal and Kosher choices equally, though there are VERY few public restraunts that will cater to the requirements because they are so strict. Sourcing Kosher and Halal ingrediants isn't the problem, it's the handling problems within the restraunts (separate cutlery, plates, etc).

When I was last in Israel, I had a big arguement with the hotel management. They had kitchen facilities in the room but no plates, cutlery, pots, etc. Apparently I 'couldn't be trusted' to maintain Kosher rules! Not surprising as no-one had told me anything about it. When they did, I was amazed, the rules made great sense 3000 years ago, but haven't been updated for the invention of fridges and freezers! When I meantioned this there was a lot of rather indignant hissing and fussing because no-one actually wanted to address it.

Given that, on Sabbaths I'd seen Jewish kids getting the waitresses to operate the coffee machines, the lifts set to a 'Sabbath' setting (opening and closing dooors on every level - truely annoying when your room is on the 11th floor...), the works rabbi pooping to check the Jewish workers weren't in on the saturday, I'm not surprised that they take it so seroiously. Even if I think it's barking!

On the plus side, one Friday evening, a tiny little lass serving us whispered that they had pork chops in, did we want any? Too damned right! Sabbath night, in the middle of Natanya, tucking into pork chops. It was heaven on earth!

 

[Yalius]

Might also have to do with the fact that I've never seen a proselytizing Jew, whereas at my college back in the late 90's there was pretty much always a Muslim outreach and conversion activity going on. There seems to be an active Islamic evangelist movement, whereas Judaism seems to try to make it hard for a non-Jew to convert. This is probably stereotyping, but it seems that Judaism is more about keeping the outsiders outside, and Islam about converting the outsiders. That could easily be a source of the different reactions to different communities.

 

[ddt]

we have roughly 0.2% of the population that is Jewish.

we have several Kosher butchers and shops offering kosher stuff.
in public hospitals you get offered Kosher food if you wish so.
There is no restriction of what parts of their synagogues they are allowed to build. We have several synagogues.
Denial of the Holocaust is against the laws.

we have almost 6% moslems.

many people hate the idea that we have 1 Halal butcher in our country.
in public hospitals you are not able to get a halal meal.
WE restricted what parts of their mosques they can build.
Politicans (especially SVP) are making the most unbelievable claims about Islam and moslems. it seems acceptable to openly express your Islamaphobia and blatant lies about them.

Groups that say similar stuff about jews are under observation by the police, we keep an eye on them. Not so when you concentrate on Moslems.

why?

Ignorance? People know little of Islam, so it's easy to make claims that amount to that all Muslims are fundamentalists. Appealing to base instincts? Those Muslim immigrants come here to steal our jobs, you realize that, don't you?

Such statements easily garner you 10% of the votes - see the SVP or Wilders.

And well, yes, there hasn't been yet a dictator who murdered millions of Muslims in Europe.

As to the Halal/Kosher issue: in Holland, both are treated the same, i.e., they're both allowed unanaesthenised slaughter. For now - the Party for the Animals has proposed a law to strike this exception and outlaw any unanaesthenised slaughter (link). The proposal is probably going to be voted in, but it was interesting to note the first reactions. The numbers of Jews and Muslims in Holland are about the same as in Switzerland percentage-wise - but there was a huge outcry from the Jewish community that this was an infringement on religion. There were hardly reactions from the Muslim community. And the mainstream christian-democratic party kept also quite silent, not quite knowing where to put their priorities.

 

[Bikewer]

I was actually having snarky thoughts along these lines myself. Everyone (well, quite a lot of people, anyway) have their collective knickers in a twist over Islamic women wearing the hijab or headscarf. Mind, not the full burqua, just a simple headscarf.
Yet, Jewish men can wear their yarmulka without so much as a raised eyebrow......

Both religions have funny dietary restrictions as noted above....

Of course Judaism is not poised to conquer the Western world.....