Merged Molten metal observations

Translation: I don't understand the chemistry. All I can conceive of is a vague strawman argument.

Which so happens to be crushing your position terribly. Down to the point that you can't provide any argument that isn't based on discrediting my knowledge of chemistry. While at the same time not providing any knowledge on your part.

Please, if you understand chemistry so well the propose to us how a chaotic environment like that can produce such a phenomenon.
 
Java, it's already too late to save your credibility. I wager you have none at this point. However, it is worth pointing out that you are not only dismissing the most obvious explanations for sources of heat,sulphur, ie. conditions which are the most likely to have produced this corrosion, and were known to be present, but you are putting forward an alternative idea for which there is no direct evidence at all!
1) You have not shown any evidence that therm*te can produce eutectic erosion of steel. In order for your claim to have any credibility you'd need to present this - but you've of course failed to do so.
2) You haven't shown any evidence that therm*te was brought to the WTC complex, that it was installed or attached to any steel (there is no evidence at all!).
3) You haven't shown any evidence that therm*te could somehow survive for weeks in the debris piles, remaining concentrated enough to activate, ie without being scattered or dissipated by the violence of the collapses just like everything else which was ground to dust.
4) you haven't shown any evidence of the remnants of therm*te in the debris collected and sorted at Freshkills or elsewhere, nor any evidence of melted steel beams. btw, evidence of melted beams is pretty much required if your therm*te theory has any hope of being true. But of course you've failed in that regard as well.


I can't imagine a more thorough failure to produce evidence than you've demonstrated in this thread. I think you've reached a new record in fallacious claims backed up with zero evidence - I suppose some kind of congratulations are in order! :rolleyes:
 
No, but its one heck of a good way to clear the way for the theory. On the other hand all you have to offer as a counter argument is a rerun of "Translation: I don't understand the chemistry and I am unwilling to understand the conditions in the debris piles." While at the same time you're unable to bring any numbers to the table as I've done. Which means that as basic as my understanding may be, it beats your's by a long shot.

You don't have a theory, we get that. But you do need one, and you also need direct evidence to support it in order for it to have any credibility.

So far you've failed completely to do that. You are simply relying on a cheap rhetorical tactic of the call to perfection fallacy with regard to any conventional (ie non-therm*te) explanation.

Your gross hypocrisy is noted, and it explains very well why your credibility is nil.
 
Which so happens to be crushing your position terribly. Down to the point that you can't provide any argument that isn't based on discrediting my knowledge of chemistry. While at the same time not providing any knowledge on your part.

Please, if you understand chemistry so well the propose to us how a chaotic environment like that can produce such a phenomenon.

No need for me to repeat what qualified scientists have already written about the subject. You can read Barnett et al, Greening and others on this forum yourself.

If you wish to argue with them, please go ahead.
 
Java, it's already too late to save your credibility. I wager you have none at this point. However, it is worth pointing out that you are not only dismissing the most obvious explanations for sources of heat,sulphur, ie. conditions which are the most likely to have produced this corrosion, and were known to be present, but you are putting forward an alternative idea for which there is no direct evidence at all!
1) You have not shown any evidence that therm*te can produce eutectic erosion of steel. In order for your claim to have any credibility you'd need to present this - but you've of course failed to do so.
2) You haven't shown any evidence that therm*te was brought to the WTC complex, that it was installed or attached to any steel (there is no evidence at all!).
3) You haven't shown any evidence that therm*te could somehow survive for weeks in the debris piles, remaining concentrated enough to activate, ie without being scattered or dissipated by the violence of the collapses just like everything else which was ground to dust.
4) you haven't shown any evidence of the remnants of therm*te in the debris collected and sorted at Freshkills or elsewhere, nor any evidence of melted steel beams. btw, evidence of melted beams is pretty much required if your therm*te theory has any hope of being true. But of course you've failed in that regard as well.


I can't imagine a more thorough failure to produce evidence than you've demonstrated in this thread. I think you've reached a new record in fallacious claims backed up with zero evidence - I suppose some kind of congratulations are in order! :rolleyes:

You're right. Currently I'm just undermining your proposed "theories".
 
Actually, they landed in highly concentrated amounts in essentially the entire city.

Maybe you noticed the (LOL!) Pyroclastic Clouds!

Well I guess all those TV cameras had their white balance totally wrong. I could swear I saw a grayish white cloud spreading through the city. Not a yellow one had it been sulfur. Was it yellow on your TV?
 
No need for me to repeat what qualified scientists have already written about the subject. You can read Barnett et al, Greening and others on this forum yourself.

If you wish to argue with them, please go ahead.

So you're quickly becoming a ghost. With no position, no argument and nothing of value to say to the discussion. Except maybe a failed attempt at discrediting me.
 
The dust cloud contained plenty of sulfur, along with other ingredients. Some of which are no doubt the pulverized remains of the victims you urinate on with every breath.
 
Oh I understand the chemistry. I think I understand it quite well. That's why I find it strange that it happened so well in such uncontrolled environments and just happened to all land on that one beam. Very very very odd indeed.

I think you need a better understanding of Murphy's Law and chaos. In a burning pile covering over 16 acres and 100 feet thick almost anything can happen and most likely will.
 
I think you need a better understanding of Murphy's Law and chaos. In a burning pile covering over 16 acres and 100 feet thick almost anything can happen and most likely will.

That doesn't mean anything. With that statement in mind anything could occur. Even thermite. But guess what you're applying Murphy's Law the wrong way and still not coming up with sufficient reasons to explain the high concentrations of S required. Murphy's Law address points that even in controlled situations things will go wrong and will do so in the worst moment possible. But this scenario is not controlled, so you have to go from an uncontrolled scenario to a "controlled" one with a set of conditions that somehow allow all this to happen and then you still have Murphy's Law which will mess it up in the last possible moment. Making it impossible for the beam to be corroded the way you claim it was.
 
Although the whole question of sources and amounts of literal sulphuric acid is a strawman that began as an illustrative example rather than a specific claim, it is very likely that there actually were sources of sulphuric acid -- power back-up batteries -- in places in the rubble pile. This would amount to a few tens of liters or less at any one place, enough to affect isolated pockets a few cubic meters in size, but the corrosion phenomenon in question also occurred only at a few isolated points, so it can't be ruled out.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
That doesn't mean anything. With that statement in mind anything could occur. Even thermite. But guess what you're applying Murphy's Law the wrong way and still not coming up with sufficient reasons to explain the high concentrations of S required. Murphy's Law address points that even in controlled situations things will go wrong and will do so in the worst moment possible. But this scenario is not controlled, so you have to go from an uncontrolled scenario to a "controlled" one with a set of conditions that somehow allow all this to happen and then you still have Murphy's Law which will mess it up in the last possible moment. Making it impossible for the beam to be corroded the way you claim it was.

No. See highlite. ML can be applied to anything and ruled that day. You also missed the 'chaos' portion of my statement. How can you argue something is impossible with confidence in all that chaos? Based on that the Earth shouldn't have condensed from gasses and dust and we shouldn't be having this discussion. But all the conditions were right in the chaos of the early solar system to allow us to be here today. (Inspired by your molten core = thermXte corrosion theory.) :D
 
So you're quickly becoming a ghost. With no position, no argument and nothing of value to say to the discussion. Except maybe a failed attempt at discrediting me.
No one can best you at discrediting yourself.
This discredits you forever on this topic.

You post nonsense, and this is proof of your lack of knowledge in science. This supports your claims, the best, total nonsense. What was your claim, and why did you try to support it with nonsense?
 
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That doesn't mean anything. With that statement in mind anything could occur. Even thermite.


As unusual as it may be, it seems you've misinterpreted.

Murphy's Law goes into affect when the collapse starts. After that it's anybody's guess what item lands where.

As for thermite, it can't be thermite because no evidence exists pre or post collapse to point toward thermite.

Nobody was seen cutting the walls. Thermite can't cut vertical beams. Thermite reactivity is spoken of using minutes or seconds - not hours, days or weeks.
 

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