General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

Status
Not open for further replies.
Skeptic said:
The point, TF, is that you seem obsessed with Israel. If I went online constantly to talk about nothing but internal Australian politics -- despite never having been to Australia, and knowing next to nothing about the place's politics or culture -- the question would be, why?
Click to expand...

derail....
this thread is about israel and palestine.
the fool is right on topic......how 'bout you?
 
The Fool said:
Seems Mycroft Isn't interested either. Anyone want to take up the Issue I posed to him?

"You have a deal if you intend to form and put forward your own opinions on the topic too.

Allowing for the fact that he may be able to delay judgement for quite a while I think that if he does fall then his party will splinter and become unstable too....as its a group Netanyahu needs in the coalition in order to survive....but thats netanyahus decision, possibly he could have taken in another mob with a less extreme agenda.
Click to expand...

Being an American, I'm not that familiar with how parliamentary systems work. Don't they just replace him with the next fellow on the list?

The Fool said:
Although I personally would like to see Liebermans mob out of the picture as Its my opinion that they would take netanyahu down if he made serious moves towards peace...

over to you?"
Click to expand...

Ah, so this is the crux of it. What you really want to do is describe how it's really the evil Zionists who are blocking the peace process and not the Palestinians, who apparently want unilateral concessions just to come to the table.

Well, okay...

My opinion is that your analysis fails in the way it always fails, by starting with the assumption that peace is something the Israelis can do or not do and that the Palestinians have nothing to do with it. It doesn't make any sense to talk about what would happen if Netenyahu "made serious moves towards peace" without discussing what those "serious moves" are and placing them in context of what the Palestinians are doing on their end.

So, if you want to have a "serious discussion", why not give us an example of what these "serious moves towards peace" might be?
 
Mycroft said:
So, if you want to have a "serious discussion", why not give us an example of what these "serious moves towards peace" might be?
Click to expand...
We do know The Fool wants Hamas to have a sea port so they can import all kinds of heavy weapons from Syria and Iran. Of course, he claims it's just so they can import baby food and medicine and such but only a real fool would think that Hamas wouldn't use a sea port to import weapons. And I can't fathom how that would lead to anything resembling "peace".
 
Mycroft said:
Being an American, I'm not that familiar with how parliamentary systems work. Don't they just replace him with the next fellow on the list?
Click to expand...
No...The next fellow on the list does not automatically become the leader. Do you understand the concept of a coalition? Netanyahu needs the support of a majority. He chose to use The racist right to form his coalition leaving Kadima out in the woods. If the racist right falls apart then he may end up back in the woods himself.


Ah, so this is the crux of it. What you really want to do is describe how it's really the evil Zionists who are blocking the peace process and not the Palestinians, who apparently want unilateral concessions just to come to the table.
Click to expand...
no...nothing of the sort, please don't decend into the "evil this evil that" rubbish there is enough of that in this thread already.. It is my opinion that there are two groups not interested in peace...Hamas and liebermans party.....both of which, unfortunately, are given much more say in the matter than they should have.
Well, okay...

My opinion is that your analysis fails in the way it always fails, by starting with the assumption that peace is something the Israelis can do or not do and that the Palestinians have nothing to do with it.
Click to expand...
you have completely ignored my point and simply substituted your own in its place....then proclaimed it has "failed" how about you give me an opinion based on what I actually say?
"palestinians have nothing to do with it"? never said or believed anything of the sort. Help me here mycroft, trying to reduce the amout of gasbagging about stuff that is pure fantasy.




It doesn't make any sense to talk about what would happen if Netenyahu "made serious moves towards peace" without discussing what those "serious moves" are and placing them in context of what the Palestinians are doing on their end.

So, if you want to have a "serious discussion", why not give us an example of what these "serious moves towards peace" might be?
Click to expand...
you don't know what serious moves towards peace would be? ok start with defined borders, recognition of a palestinian state......either of those two...if seriously proposed by netanyahu and acted apon..... would, in my opinion, lead lieberman's party to pull the pin on Netanyahus leadership.
 
WildCat said:
We do know The Fool wants Hamas to have a sea port so they can import all kinds of heavy weapons from Syria and Iran. Of course, he claims it's just so they can import baby food and medicine and such but only a real fool would think that Hamas wouldn't use a sea port to import weapons. And I can't fathom how that would lead to anything resembling "peace".
Click to expand...
Wildcat....I thought you were not interested in this topic? I need to remind you that the topic of this thread is not me...

If you are going to keep wandering in with off topic diversions could you at least make it something I actually posted rather than your made up stuff? I have never, in your wildest dreams, made any such statement of support or tolerance for heavy weapons importing.


I would rather you participated in the discussion I am trying to foster in this thread and not simply be one of the conga line of drive by ad-hom and fabrication...

Trying to get this thread out of the gutter, your help would be appreciated.
 
WildCat said:
We do know The Fool wants Hamas to have a sea port so they can import all kinds of heavy weapons from Syria and Iran. Of course, he claims it's just so they can import baby food and medicine and such but only a real fool would think that Hamas wouldn't use a sea port to import weapons. And I can't fathom how that would lead to anything resembling "peace".
Click to expand...

The "peace process" means "dead Jews" for some people. That's why things like the security wall, etc., "prove Israel doesn't want peace".
 
Anyway, about the staged plan for Israel's destruction "peace process", the usual is happening: the EU and the US are ignoring strong guarantees on paper from a few years back (Res. 242, 336, Oslo 1993, Bush's speech 2006, etc.) and are presenting "bold peace plans" where "bold" means "give the Palestinians anything they want, break previous promises, make demands only of Israel". Of course they try to sweeten the pill by making, yet again, worthless promises to Israel, to be ignored as usual the next time the Palestinians demand something.
 
Skeptic said:
The "peace process" means "dead Jews" for some people. That's why things like the security wall, etc., "prove Israel doesn't want peace".
Click to expand...
are you guys determined to wander off on a debate with bizarre statements you make up yourself and attribute to imaginary people?

I invite you to discuss the issue I introduced to this thread, to discuss and debate what people actually post, with the people that actually post it.......not stuff you think unnamed people think. This is an opportunity to demonstrate this thread is more that a joke. I'm inviting you to help out a bit eh?
 
Virus said:
But did you say Gaza should have a seaport? Because that's the same diff.
Click to expand...
Do you believe Sydney should have a seaport? If so you are a supporter of all the smuggling that happens there. Its known as a false dichotomy or false dilema fallacy and its one of Wilcats favorites. There are other options other than complete shutdown and complete open slather...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

This is the last statement I'm going to make on that issue as I don't particularly wish to reward Wildcat for off topic rambling.

do you have anything to add on the topic I introduced to this thread? The rest of the lads appear to be content to shut it down by conducting rambling debates with the bizarre statements they make up themselves.

I said earlier I thought that Lieberman and his party is the elephant in the room and it does seem rather difficult to encourage anyone to discuss the situation..


hmmm, maybe they think ignoring it will make it go away?
 
Last edited:
The slight difference between Australia and Gaza is that Australia isn't ruled by a terrorist organization whose open goal is genocide of millions. I say people like that shouldn't get a seaport.
 
The Fool said:
Do you believe Sydney should have a seaport? If so you are a supporter of all the smuggling that happens there. Its known as a false dichotomy or false dilema fallacy and its one of Wilcats favorites. There are other options other than complete shutdown and complete open slather...
Click to expand...

I'll take that as an indirect and evasive "yes". You think terrorist enclaves should get seaports.
 
I'll take that as meaning nobody is interested in the topic but everyone is interested in debating something off topic, something that I have never said?

as it turns out this thread is indeed completely pointless. I'll leave you guys to debate whichever voice in your heads you choose.
 
The Fool said:
Wildcat....I thought you were not interested in this topic? I need to remind you that the topic of this thread is not me...
Click to expand...
I said I'm not interested in internal Israeli politics.

The Fool said:
If you are going to keep wandering in with off topic diversions could you at least make it something I actually posted rather than your made up stuff? I have never, in your wildest dreams, made any such statement of support or tolerance for heavy weapons importing.
Click to expand...
Of course you didn't, you just want Hamas to have their very own seaport. I'm sure they wouldn't dream of importing weapons through it. :rolleyes:

And I'm very much on topic, read the damn title of the thread. And it's not about yopu, it's about your opinions as to what constitutes a "serious" Isaeli step toward peace. Surely Hamas getting a seaport is one of your dfemands, yes? Or have you changed your mind on that, and now support the blockade of Hamas?

The Fool said:
I would rather you participated in the discussion I am trying to foster in this thread and not simply be one of the conga line of drive by ad-hom and fabrication...

Trying to get this thread out of the gutter, your help would be appreciated.
Click to expand...
Fabricated is it? Do you want me to start quoting you saying how you want a port opened up in Gaza? Are you going to live up to your handle and pretend you don't know Hamas controls Gaza, and would also control any seaport there? :rolleyes:
 
The Fool said:
I don't particularly wish to reward Wildcat for off topic rambling.
Click to expand...
Translation: "I can't rationally defend Hamas getting a seaport so I'm going to run away".

And once again, the title is "General Israel-Palestine Discussion Thread" not "What Do You Think About Netanyahu's Coalition".

But I don't blame you for being completely unable to explain how Hamas getting weapons deliverd by ship will somehow lead to peace, and then running away.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom