Merged Interesting Analysis of Changing Media Attitudes toward 9/11 Alternative Theories

Clayton Moore said:
I find it telling that all the anger and hate is on the debunker side. The injured/angry party, so to speak, should be the truthers.

The debunkers are cornered. Their ugly snarling proves that.


The truther movement is angry yet settled in resolving the tasks needed to take back America.

The truthers movement wants justice which is the spirit of America.
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Yawn.
 
The clock is ticking, all right. It's counting up.

False accusations that remain unsupported by evidence or even a rational argument get more pathetic (though no less immoral) tick by tick.

Feckless prophecies of imminent coup d'etat, imminent martial law, and imminent popular revolution, when one after another has not come true or even shown any signs that it might have come true, get more ridiculous tick by tick.

Petition signatures, in the absence of any form of sustained participation by the signers, get older and less relevant tick by tick.

The kind of bluff and bluster exhibited in the OP and the linked article, with never a blow landed, never an election influenced or a paper passing peer review, gets easier to ignore, tick by tick.

Clocks count up. In a few months, there will be a tenth anniversary, and there will be some news stories mentioning 9/11 conspiracy theorists as one of a number of examples of odd sorts of psychological fallout from the event. (They will fit the "denial" slot nicely, while other examples will be classified under "anger" and "depression" and so forth.) And with no other significance than that.

Tick, tock. In about another twenty years, the beginning of a long wave of newly published memoirs and new scholarly research will reveal additional details of the events. Images and documents that were classified or held private by their owners will be made public. New dynamic models taking advantage of progress in computer technology will be created and studied. None of these will support any existing conspiracy theory (though new conspiracy theories will sometimes be invented to try to fit with them). This process will continue for decades, as it still does for WWII history.

Tick, tock. In a century, most or all of the direct participants and eyewitnesses to the events will be deceased, as they were for the American Civil War when I was a child and are for WWI today. Films (or whatever media format has replaced them) will explore alternative 9/11 histories for amusement, including inside job narratives, but these scenarios will be taken no more seriously than the possibility that Jack and Rose really stole a big diamond on the Titanic or that Hitler was really under the magical influence of Dumbledore's boyfriend. The greatest 9/11 film of the 22nd century will use it as a historical metaphor for something more recent and relevant to its audience, like the atomic bomb that somebody will probably set off somewhere, somewhere along the line.

Tick, tock. In a millennium, if it is remembered at all that some big buildings fell down in New York back in the oil age, it just might be remembered that some people thought it was an inside job, just as it is remembered today that some people once thought spiders are descendants of the Greek maiden Arachne or that a dragon eats the sun from time to time.

The clock is ticking. Counting up, because that's what clocks do. Counting all those seconds, days, years, and centuries by which any significance the Truth Movement might have had recedes into the past. Slowly, tick by tick.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Justin39640 said:
You know there was a thread on this already.

At what point is this considered spam? Posting links with no intent to debate or follow up. Truth-bots™.
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This is their speciality. You have more chance of having a constructive conversation with a brick wall.
 
Dash80 said:
This is their speciality. You have more chance of having a constructive conversation with a brick wall.
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[truther]
Wait...what kind of "brick wall". Adobe, hard struck clay or ceremonious? What kind of joints, tucked or smooth? You don't have a clue.........sheepie!

[/truther]




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Myriad said:
The clock is ticking, all right. It's counting up.

False accusations that remain unsupported by evidence or even a rational argument get more pathetic (though no less immoral) tick by tick.

Feckless prophecies of imminent coup d'etat, imminent martial law, and imminent popular revolution, when one after another has not come true or even shown any signs that it might have come true, get more ridiculous tick by tick.

Petition signatures, in the absence of any form of sustained participation by the signers, get older and less relevant tick by tick.

The kind of bluff and bluster exhibited in the OP and the linked article, with never a blow landed, never an election influenced or a paper passing peer review, gets easier to ignore, tick by tick.

Clocks count up. In a few months, there will be a tenth anniversary, and there will be some news stories mentioning 9/11 conspiracy theorists as one of a number of examples of odd sorts of psychological fallout from the event. (They will fit the "denial" slot nicely, while other examples will be classified under "anger" and "depression" and so forth.) And with no other significance than that.

Tick, tock. In about another twenty years, the beginning of a long wave of newly published memoirs and new scholarly research will reveal additional details of the events. Images and documents that were classified or held private by their owners will be made public. New dynamic models taking advantage of progress in computer technology will be created and studied. None of these will support any existing conspiracy theory (though new conspiracy theories will sometimes be invented to try to fit with them). This process will continue for decades, as it still does for WWII history.

Tick, tock. In a century, most or all of the direct participants and eyewitnesses to the events will be deceased, as they were for the American Civil War when I was a child and are for WWI today. Films (or whatever media format has replaced them) will explore alternative 9/11 histories for amusement, including inside job narratives, but these scenarios will be taken no more seriously than the possibility that Jack and Rose really stole a big diamond on the Titanic or that Hitler was really under the magical influence of Dumbledore's boyfriend. The greatest 9/11 film of the 22nd century will use it as a historical metaphor for something more recent and relevant to its audience, like the atomic bomb that somebody will probably set off somewhere, somewhere along the line.

Tick, tock. In a millennium, if it is remembered at all that some big buildings fell down in New York back in the oil age, it just might be remembered that some people thought it was an inside job, just as it is remembered today that some people once thought spiders are descendants of the Greek maiden Arachne or that a dragon eats the sun from time to time.

The clock is ticking. Counting up, because that's what clocks do. Counting all those seconds, days, years, and centuries by which any significance the Truth Movement might have had recedes into the past. Slowly, tick by tick.

Respectfully,
Myriad
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I really loved this, Myriad. :D
 
Myriad said:
The clock is ticking, all right. It's counting up.

False accusations that remain unsupported by evidence or even a rational argument get more pathetic (though no less immoral) tick by tick.

Feckless prophecies of imminent coup d'etat, imminent martial law, and imminent popular revolution, when one after another has not come true or even shown any signs that it might have come true, get more ridiculous tick by tick.

Petition signatures, in the absence of any form of sustained participation by the signers, get older and less relevant tick by tick.

The kind of bluff and bluster exhibited in the OP and the linked article, with never a blow landed, never an election influenced or a paper passing peer review, gets easier to ignore, tick by tick.

Clocks count up. In a few months, there will be a tenth anniversary, and there will be some news stories mentioning 9/11 conspiracy theorists as one of a number of examples of odd sorts of psychological fallout from the event. (They will fit the "denial" slot nicely, while other examples will be classified under "anger" and "depression" and so forth.) And with no other significance than that.

Tick, tock. In about another twenty years, the beginning of a long wave of newly published memoirs and new scholarly research will reveal additional details of the events. Images and documents that were classified or held private by their owners will be made public. New dynamic models taking advantage of progress in computer technology will be created and studied. None of these will support any existing conspiracy theory (though new conspiracy theories will sometimes be invented to try to fit with them). This process will continue for decades, as it still does for WWII history.

Tick, tock. In a century, most or all of the direct participants and eyewitnesses to the events will be deceased, as they were for the American Civil War when I was a child and are for WWI today. Films (or whatever media format has replaced them) will explore alternative 9/11 histories for amusement, including inside job narratives, but these scenarios will be taken no more seriously than the possibility that Jack and Rose really stole a big diamond on the Titanic or that Hitler was really under the magical influence of Dumbledore's boyfriend. The greatest 9/11 film of the 22nd century will use it as a historical metaphor for something more recent and relevant to its audience, like the atomic bomb that somebody will probably set off somewhere, somewhere along the line.

Tick, tock. In a millennium, if it is remembered at all that some big buildings fell down in New York back in the oil age, it just might be remembered that some people thought it was an inside job, just as it is remembered today that some people once thought spiders are descendants of the Greek maiden Arachne or that a dragon eats the sun from time to time.

The clock is ticking. Counting up, because that's what clocks do. Counting all those seconds, days, years, and centuries by which any significance the Truth Movement might have had recedes into the past. Slowly, tick by tick.

Respectfully,
Myriad
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But Java may unleash his draft and blow the lid off the whole thing.
 
Clayton Moore said:
I find it telling that all the anger and hate is on the debunker side. The injured/angry party, so to speak, should be the truthers.

The debunkers are cornered. Their ugly snarling proves that.
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August 2006: 16% believe the WTC was brought down in a controlled demolition

August 2007: 4.6% believe WTC was CD'ed

How do you explain 34 million Americans leaving your movement in just 12 months?
 
Myriad said:
The clock is ticking, all right. It's counting up.

False accusations that remain unsupported by evidence or even a rational argument get more pathetic (though no less immoral) tick by tick.

Feckless prophecies of imminent coup d'etat, imminent martial law, and imminent popular revolution, when one after another has not come true or even shown any signs that it might have come true, get more ridiculous tick by tick....

...The clock is ticking. Counting up, because that's what clocks do. Counting all those seconds, days, years, and centuries by which any significance the Truth Movement might have had recedes into the past. Slowly, tick by tick.

Respectfully,
Myriad
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Nominated.

There will simply never be the grand revelation that the conspiracists look for; no confession by someone who planted bombs, no triumphant revelation of great physical evidence, nothing that will ever make any difference in the real world. Just a series of rehashed claims supported by a few credentialed cranks, angry fantasies of trials and the sudden enlightenment of the great unwashed masses, and continued predictions that it will all happen Real Soon Now - all of which will remain irrelevant in the real world. There will be a little spike of "truther" activity around the 10th anniversary of the terrorist attacks, followed by a continued fade into the cultural noise.
 
walkyrie said:
The george bush Official Theory about 9/11 is SINKING,

Australian Herald Sun Poll: 70% Support Kevin Bracken statements about 9/11 INSIDE JOB


http://911truthnews.com/herald-sun-poll-70-support-bracken-on-911/
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So much so wrong...

-- The Herald Sun is not an Australia-wide newspaper. It serves only the city of Melbourne.

-- The poll does not say what you think it says. The question was "Were Mr Bracken's comments reasonable?". His comments were that 9/11 should be investigated. Even I think they are "reasonable comments" in that he wasn't advocating violence or insurrection or such-like. However I also think he is particularly paranoid about the USA to the extent he is quite irrational on the subject.

-- The poll does not indicate any support for the Twoof theories whatever from Australia. Since it was an open poll on the internet, anyone from anywhere could participate, multiple times if they wanted. (Anyone with more than two neurons will know that internet polls are not worth the paper they are not printed on.) Since it was a subject any rabid Twoofer would have found within 60 seconds of it being posted, it could obviously be swamped with Twoofer repeat hits world-wide, i.e. rigged. So I'm actually surprised there were as few as 10,000 votes "in favour".

-- If you had read the accompanying stories, you would have seen clearly the vehement and clear condemnation of Bracken's view, from the Prime Minister down to the secretary of his own union (Bracken is just a senior a union rep). Most commentators thought it was what we call a "gee-up", a practical or attention-seeking joke.


TWOOFER FAIL - TWOOFERS MIHOP.
 
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Sword_Of_Truth said:
I was wrong. The first poll wasn't October, but August.

The poll also found that 16 percent of Americans speculate that secretly planted explosives, not burning passenger jets, were the real reason the massive twin towers of the World Trade Center collapsed.​

The second poll was carried out by Zogby and was commissioned by 9/11 twoofers themselves.
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First of all, you're using studies from four and five years ago. :eye-poppi

Secondly, responses to the controlled demolition hypothesis do not determine overall numbers for 9/11 truth.

2006: 1 in 3 Americans suspect government complicity.

2007: 1 in 3 Americans doubt or are "not sure" about the official story.

Further:

Zogby: The results of the 2007 August poll indicate that 51% of Americans want Congress to probe Bush/Cheney regarding the 9/11 attacks and over 30% of those polled seek immediate impeachment. While only 32% seek immediate Bush and/or Cheney impeachment based on their personal knowledge, many citizens appear eager for clear exposure of the facts.

In addition, the poll also found that two-thirds (67%) of Americans say the 9/11 Commission should have investigated the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7.
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walkyrie said:
The george bush Official Theory about 9/11 is SINKING,

Australian Herald Sun Poll: 70% Support Kevin Bracken statements about 9/11 INSIDE JOB


http://911truthnews.com/herald-sun-poll-70-support-bracken-on-911/
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In addition to what Zep said, the Herald Sun poll was bombarded by truthers at 911oz and 911Blogger.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189082

Angrysoba's words are proved true again and again:

angrysoba said:
Truthers believe reality is decided by plebiscite.

They believe it even if they are aware that they've rigged the plebiscite.
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Ergo, I provided the sources you asked for. And they clearly show a drop in support by more than 30 million Americans between August 2006 and August 2007.

Why do you think that is?
 
ergo said:
Secondly, responses to the controlled demolition hypothesis do not determine overall numbers for 9/11 truth.
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Yes, actually, it does.

You are an acolyte of the controlled demo cult. You even believe that there has been a peer-reviewed paper published somewhere (though you refuse to show us when asked).

30 million Americans stopped sharing your beliefs in just a single year. I'm a member of a well known and influential religion that has only 14 to 15 million members world wide. We would be completely wiped out with those kinds of losses. To think that your religion wasn't fatally crippled by these numbers is to be completely divorced from reality.

ergo said:
2006: 1 in 3 Americans suspect government complicity.

2007: 1 in 3 Americans doubt or are "not sure" about the official story.
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This is funny. Even your own biased reporting shows a significant decline in support for 9/11 twoof.

1 in 3 (according to you) went from suspecting the government to being "not sure"?

Does that sound like a growing movement to you?
 
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