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Merged School Secretary Persecuted For Making Porn

As a member of the school board, what would you have done?


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she did nothing wrong nor illegal.

She did porn. Not illegal, but apparantly 'wrong' trumps 'illegal', and to those who mattered, what she did was wrong.

I had slightly misjudged the motivations of the tattle-tale, though on reflection, that a 14yo should have been less concerned with what punishment the school board might hand down than with getting a bj from a porn star should have been obvious.
 
Here's my favorite part:

The boy threatened her preteen daughter unless she gave him a blowjob, and she had the gall to go to the cops? That's ridiculous. Don't they have speed traps to man and illegal downloading to go after?
I can't have the cops worrying about stuff like this while there are still secretaries out there inappropriately moonlighting as legal workers in other industries!

:D
 
An update on the story.

Allegedly the 14 y.o. wanted more than an autograph and made some more serious threats...

So a 14 year old boy blackmailed an older woman from his school for sex because she had done porn when she was younger... I can swear that I've read a porn manga that was exactly like this. Too bad this situation didn't end like that one did...
 
What, you guys weren't all watching the debut of Fox Sun news last night? She was on with her lawyer (may be canada only)... not much new to see but I thought that this part was cute. After the interview is over, Alder turns to the viewer and says ""I'm guessing you're not a porn star in your free time, or a drug dealer or an arms dealer, a convict on the lamb, but you're an honest, tax-paying Canadian" Yes, because all of those things go together.
 
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What, you guys weren't all watching the debut of Fox Sun news last night? She was on with her lawyer (may be canada only)... not much new to see but I thought that this part was cute.

....is it me or is that lawyer REALLY scary?????

After the interview is over, Alder turns to the viewer and says ""I'm guessing you're not a porn star in your free time, or a drug dealer or an arms dealer, a convict on the lamb, but you're an honest, tax-paying Canadian" Yes, because all of those things go together.

Is it me or was the rest of the show basically saying "don't do anything that your employer will not like or you'll get fired for your own good"?
 
....is it me or is that lawyer REALLY scary?????

Creeping death scary. He must be mafioso. *Googles* Yep, top mafia lawyer. *shakes head*

Is it me or was the rest of the show basically saying "don't do anything that your employer will not like or you'll get fired for your own good"?

That's exactly right. Screw the Charter and employee contracts, we just need to power to arbitrarily fire people or we feel like impotent servants of the liberal agenda.
 
....is it me or is that lawyer REALLY scary?????
Totally. I want to be in the courtroom to see him cross-examine the kid. :D

And something else occured to me. Here's this 14 year old that not only got this woman fired but has allegedly blackmailed her and threatened her 11 year old daughter and he has a right to anonymity. :confused: Just because he's a minor in the eyes of the law?

After the interview is over, Alder turns to the viewer and says ""I'm guessing you're not a porn star in your free time, or a drug dealer or an arms dealer, a convict on the lamb, but you're an honest, tax-paying Canadian" Yes, because all of those things go together.
What struck me about that list is that Alder lumped a perfectly legal pastime (making adult porn for adults, with adults) with a list of illegal things: drug dealing, arms dealing, being a convict..... like, what was that about? :boggled: A bit misleading, huh?

Is it me or was the rest of the show basically saying "don't do anything that your employer will not like or you'll get fired for your own good"?
Kinda... :(
 
Even if she were a teacher, you simply assume that kids would never be able to handle it, and maybe you are right, but I think they could, eventually.

I made no such assumption. I suspect the school kids could handle it easily - if she was open and clear about it - but that's not the case here. Instead she has made herself a target by making it a secret, and that's the main problem.

if kids can get over the fact that their teacher is gay, or a person of a different race or religion or maybe even transgendered, maybe they can also get over the fact that their teacher was in a porno.

But you've missed the point - she chose to be "in the closet". She's hiding this from her children, employers and the children she interacts with at school. In doing this she created the environment where discipline will break down.

As far as why I think it's bigotry, let's look at the[definition]
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Bigoted attitudes; intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself

So, I think firing a person for something they do which is legal outside of work time if it doesn't impact their ability to perform their duties (remember that she is in fact a secretary, not a teacher) is intolerant.

But it OBVIOUSLY impacts her ability to do the job. Her "in the closet" secrecy DID cause the recent problems and does mean she lacks the ability to perform the job. She is a likely cause of future student discipline problems and a potential target of blackmail b/c of her secrecy decision. There is also the question of "judgement".

I strongly *suspect* that there is real bigotry against hiring porn actresses to interact with children, and that bigotry is likely the reason she is now trying to hide her past from employers and her own children. Despite that, there is no evidence that dismissing(whatever) her for the recent school problems that she created was based on bigotry.
 
But it OBVIOUSLY impacts her ability to do the job. Her "in the closet" secrecy DID cause the recent problems and does mean she lacks the ability to perform the job. She is a likely cause of future student discipline problems and a potential target of blackmail b/c of her secrecy decision. There is also the question of "judgement".
What? Not announcing to the students that she was in porn is poor judgment? Really?
 
I made no such assumption. I suspect the school kids could handle it easily - if she was open and clear about it - but that's not the case here. Instead she has made herself a target by making it a secret, and that's the main problem.



But you've missed the point - she chose to be "in the closet". She's hiding this from her children, employers and the children she interacts with at school. In doing this she created the environment where discipline will break down.



But it OBVIOUSLY impacts her ability to do the job. Her "in the closet" secrecy DID cause the recent problems and does mean she lacks the ability to perform the job. She is a likely cause of future student discipline problems and a potential target of blackmail b/c of her secrecy decision. There is also the question of "judgement".

I strongly *suspect* that there is real bigotry against hiring porn actresses to interact with children, and that bigotry is likely the reason she is now trying to hide her past from employers and her own children. Despite that, there is no evidence that dismissing(whatever) her for the recent school problems that she created was based on bigotry.

....? How did you jump from "it was because she was keeping what she did off work hours a secret that caused the problems" (which is a leap in itself) to "it's bigotry on the school's part"?

Simply because one works for a company one HAS to tell every thing that one does off work hours? Really? An employer is just that: an employer. Not a babysitter, not a judge, but simply the person who pays you in exchange for your time, talents and effort. Period.

Now I would agree with the whole bigotry thing, I think that is what's going on, but how does her being upfront about being in a porno make the bigotry less? Do you honestly believe that people (especially parents - the ones who were originally "outraged" :rolleyes: (I love it when parents are "outraged" :) )) would be less bigoted if she told everyone from the get-go?

I seriously doubt it.

She was right to keep it a secret. She didn't want anyone to know because of the backlash. Her telling everyone first wouldn't have made a difference.

But I agree with you about the bigotry to a point: she is not hiding it from her children because of bigotry. She is hiding it from her children because a) they don't need to know and b) they are too young to understand.

A lot of people nowadays believe that keeping something secret = it's a bad thing. That is not the case, especially in this situation. She kept it secret simply because she has a right to, because there are people who believe that being in a porno will "affect the children" and there are people who believe that keeping something secret = it's a bad thing.
 
What? Not announcing to the students that she was in porn is poor judgment? Really?

Yes. If you are dealing with people who are fairly likely to discover your "secret" then you are only creating problems. If it's likely to impact order and discipline amongst a population of minors when this is discovered - then yes - she DID cause problems. That's poor judgment.

There are no good analogies for this case., but here is one weak attempt. Around fifth grade I had a math teacher with a glass eye. I'd seen him in school before and maybe his eyes looked a little odd, but it never occurred to be that was the problem. So the first day he explained to the class he had a glass eye. He took it out. Told how he lost his eye in a sledding accident as a kid. That was the last time it came up. No secrecy - issue handled.

If instead he pretended nothing was wrong then kids would obviously notice his eye in time, would certainly gossip, make up stories, ridicule the teacher, maybe use his partial lack of vision against him. The secrecy causes these problems.

Also note the secretary might have been blackmailed by an adult as well. That bad judgment too.

The secrecy created conditions for blackmail by her secrecy, when they are fairly likely to be discovered, Very poor judgement.


....? How did you jump from "it was because she was keeping what she did off work hours a secret that caused the problems" (which is a leap in itself) to "it's bigotry on the school's part"?

There is no "leap" to get from secret to problem. If she was open about her past, then there would have been no problem. No secret, so everyone would know. She would not be subject to blackmail if everyone knew.

I never said it was bigotry on the school's part I argue that there was no evidence of bigotry by the school.

Back in the day I held security clearances. You have to fill out lots of forms and submit to interviews. They DO NOT care if you are gay, or a porn actor, or go to cock fights, or cheat on your wife. What they care about is - are you lying about it. If you are keeping secrets then you are subject to blackmail and an unacceptable security risk. This situation is similar tho' the issue is school order, not national security.

Simply because one works for a company one HAS to tell every thing that one does off work hours? Really? An employer is just that: an employer. Not a babysitter, not a judge, but simply the person who pays you in exchange for your time, talents and effort. Period.

NO ! I never said anything like that. That's a silly extrapolation on your part.

If you have personal issues that impact your job performance or create liabilities - then you DO have an obligation to inform your employer. If your surgeon drinks enough to have tremors, or if your pilot wants to pull an all-niter before a trans-pacific flight - they OWE their employers a disclosure. If you have an actively infectious disease - then you owe your employer disclosure (if it potentially impacts others). If you have some personal hobby that will cause a discipline/order problems among minors at school and make you subject to blackmail - that requires disclosure. These situations impact the conditions of employment.

Now I would agree with the whole bigotry thing, I think that is what's going on, but how does her being upfront about being in a porno make the bigotry less?

I don't see any evidence of bigotry here, but I *suspect* it would likely appear. if, for example, you show up for an interview as school-secretary and your resume includes porn movies. *IF* bigotry exists at that point there are legal remedies, but that's hard and expensive to pursue.

So her situation is this; A/ tell the truth and potentially be discriminated against for employment due to perfectly legal activities, or B/ lie (fail to disclose) and subject the school and students to problems in the future. I'd contact a lawyer familiar with the laws myself. If the secretary actually lied to gain employment, then she might be held legally responsible - and perhaps the 14yo blackmailers parent would sue anyway.

Also consider that 14yo snot who tried to blackmail her into a BJ. That's pretty bad, but to be fair, after the kid watches her porn performances, and given that the kid is a minor and not entirely responsible for his actions ... how much blame is his vs hers ? That secretary put a 14yo in a bad position by creating an attractive nuisance (OK - she's not that attractive). She created a situation where a daft horny 14yo might be induced into making some terrible choices including blackmail. All due to her secrecy about her past. Terrible judgment.

To re-iterate the obvious. That same student has probably seen vids of Paris Hilton giving BJs - but since she's not trying to maintain a secret - there is no opportunity for blackmail.




Do you honestly believe that people (especially parents - the ones who were originally "outraged" :rolleyes: (I love it when parents are "outraged" :) )) would be less bigoted if she told everyone from the get-go?

I seriously doubt it.

Perhaps - but you are making assumptions. For example in the US we are so litigious that if you kick a candidate for past porn the school might have legal problems. You can't justify putting the school in a bad position be claiming they 'would have' discriminated, even it is seems fairly likely.


She was right to keep it a secret. She didn't want anyone to know because of the backlash. Her telling everyone first wouldn't have made a difference.

It would have made a HUGE difference - no potential for blackmail. No attractive nuisance created to snare minors. No school discipline problems. Secrecy is a bad choice here.

But I agree with you about the bigotry to a point: she is not hiding it from her children because of bigotry. She is hiding it from her children because a) they don't need to know and b) they are too young to understand.

Really ? Do gay parent hide their homosexuality from their children and fear anyone telling the kids ? No - she want's to hide it from her children b/c the secretary is herself bigoted against porn acting. If she actually accepted her porn career she could just explain it to the kids in an age appropriate way.

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A lot of people nowadays believe that keeping something secret = it's a bad thing.
I'd guess the opposite; few people believe in honesty.


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That is not the case, especially in this situation. She kept it secret simply because she has a right to, because there are people who believe that being in a porno will "affect the children" and there are people who believe that keeping something secret = it's a bad thing.

No - Her lie created conditions for problems at school, and created the (realized) potential for blackmail.. She owed it to the school to disclose that her past career would likely create problems. Then it would be up to the school to manage the issue w/ students. She didn't disclose - so now it's all her fault. I appreciate that she has some difficult choices given the potential for discrimination, but the secret clearly created problems this time.
 
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Setting acide the lunacy of firing someone for being the victim of a crime, do you have any evidence that she was fired for being blackmailed? Do you actually think that she would still be employed if she got on the morning announcements and said "Hey kids, I appeared in the pornographic film Serial Abusers 2!"?

That secretary put a 14yo in a bad position
Ahaha, nice one. You had me going up until there. :)
 
Ahaha, nice one. You had me going up until there. :)

Was that me?

That was *before* there was any discussion about the same 14y/o blackmailing the secretary. And if he hadn't blackmailed her, I would stand by my claim.

An adult shouldn't pressure a child to keep one of the adults secrets.
 
Setting acide the lunacy of firing someone for being the victim of a crime,

The non-firing/transfer-offer DID NOT happen b/c she was a victim - that's illogical
It's b/c her actions were OBVIOUSLY disruptive to the education goal.

What if a school teacher kept alcohol in their car, parked on school grounds, and left it unlocked. Never told anyone, did this regularly. Stealing the alcohol is a crime, but it's seriously bad judgment to act this way, and firing the teacher is not unreasonable. The teacher is fired for exhibiting bad judgment - not for being a victim of theft.

do you have any evidence that she was fired for being blackmailed?

I NEVER said that was the cause - please re-read. The secretary created problems in school order and used bad judgment.. One aspect of that is that she made herself easily subject to blackmail.

Do you actually think that she would still be employed if she got on the morning announcements and said "Hey kids, I appeared in the pornographic film Serial Abusers 2!"?

What if she told the school officials when she was hired - then it would be their problem.

If the original story happened - and some 14yo just wanted an autograph - then it's easy enough to say NO - he's a minor, shouldn't be viewing porn, and her adult off-school activities are none of his concern, probably reinforced by the school principal.

If instead the 14yo tried blackmail, as is now claimed, and was immediately hauled into the principals office and told the off-school work of secretary is well known and not his business, but his parent would be told about his porn surfing and after a suspension he'd be working with the police/school psychologists about his attempted blackmail. I think it's VERY unlikely you could prosecute a 14yo in these circumstances.

Ahaha, nice one. You had me going up until there. :)

I don't think you understand at all. If you make a liquor cabinet or a Porsche, or pool or tractor readily accessible to a 14yo - then YOU are guilty under the law of creating an attractive nuisance and can be held liable for the damage they cause. It doesn't matter that it's a crime for minors to trespass or take your property. You are responsible to varying extents for preventing minors from acting stupidly. The secretary effectively told some horny 14yos that she can easily be blackmailed - she definitely has some responsibility for the consequences.

The fact is that the porno is widely available and there is little chance some kid won't eventually find it. So the question is how manage the situation so it doesn't cause a disruption in school order and doesn't induce horny minors into attempting crimes. The secretary did a bad job of managing the issue.

According to the reports she was suspended 2 weeks with pay, and then offered some sort of transfer that she declined. Unless the transfer offer was egregiously unfair - I don't think she has much to complain about.
 
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