Merged Molten metal observations

Java Man said:
No. If you place the charge on this side:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/JPPics/9-11/FloorTrusses-Construction.jpg

And you're looking from this side:

http://911mysteries.yweb.sk/download/images/wtc-construction-hires-photos/wtc11.jpg

You can't see the bright light from this side:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/JPPics/9-11/FloorTrusses-Construction.jpg

only the effects of the heating and the metal that drips out.
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What about the windows? Have you seen the attempts by John Cole? There is an INCREDIBLE amount of bright light, and an INCREDIBLE amount of sparks in the immediate vacinity.

This would have been seen from at least two of the windows on each face of the tower. This however, is absolutely absent in all the videos.

It must be that NotSoBrite-Thermite that the NWO invented.
 
NoahFence said:
The paper that flew out no doubt was the result of the pressure wave created by the impact, and the window's getting blown out. It's his theory that something rigid, something attached to the columns would have survived inside the fireball....
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My bad kind sir, I didn't get that......:o

In that case, yes, you're absolutely correct.
 
GlennB said:
Any ideas yet on why the perps might want, seemingly pointlessly, to damage a non-essential part of the exterior wall in one specific location?
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TheyTM had a bunch of extra not-so britetm Thermite and just needed a place to put it. Using precision mathematical calculations, and a bit of luck, they decided to put it in the exact place that the aircraft would come to rest after the impact. Pretty amazing, really.
 
NoahFence said:
TheyTM had a bunch of extra not-so britetm Thermite and just needed a place to put it. Using precision mathematical calculations, and a bit of luck, they decided to put it in the exact place that the aircraft would come to rest after the impact. Pretty amazing, really.
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I expect that will be in Java's draft. How is it coming along,Java?
 
Java Man said:
No not really.
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Yes, really. Aparently you don't realize how bright a thermite reaction is. Especially considering that there are windows all over the place.....

Please explain to me how you think it DIDN'T shine through the windows?

Give me ONE plausable explaniation.
 
triforcharity said:
Yes, really. Aparently you don't realize how bright a thermite reaction is. Especially considering that there are windows all over the place.....

Please explain to me how you think it DIDN'T shine through the windows?

Give me ONE plausable explaniation.
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One plausable explanation is this: The incendiary elements are placed at the floor panel truss connections to the wall. Thus they are blocked by the metal that supports the floor( http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/wtcn.jpg ).

In other words there is a big piece of thick metal between them and the outside of the building. So I fire on the inside can't be seen from the outside because of metal's tendency to not be transparent.

Now you claim it should be visible from other windows. Which? The once across the building? Hard to believe. There's this thing called the core. Then there's the smoke and add to that the floor itself. Yes the floor. You see the more you move to other windows the more the point of view (from the ground) hinders your ability to see that point. So the best hope you have is to look at it from below just from were we see it.

In regards to the white smoke. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5iIoCiI8g Look at second 43. Nice white smoke getting blown to the right from the area were the metal is dripping.

Here let me help you a bit:

whitesmoke.png


So you see it all matches. The incendiary devices meant to cut the supports and release the floor panels. The location of the molten metal. The white smoke.

And then theres this thing about the molten beam with the holes on it. Remember?
 
Java Man said:
One plausable explanation is this: The incendiary elements are placed at the floor panel truss connections to the wall. Thus they are blocked by the metal that supports the floor( http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/wtcn.jpg ).

In other words there is a big piece of thick metal between them and the outside of the building. So I fire on the inside can't be seen from the outside because of metal's tendency to not be transparent.

Now you claim it should be visible from other windows. Which? The once across the building? Hard to believe. There's this thing called the core. Then there's the smoke and add to that the floor itself. Yes the floor. You see the more you move to other windows the more the point of view (from the ground) hinders your ability to see that point. So the best hope you have is to look at it from below just from were we see it.

In regards to the white smoke. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5iIoCiI8g Look at second 43. Nice white smoke getting blown to the right from the area were the metal is dripping.

Here let me help you a bit:

[qimg]http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4535/whitesmoke.png[/qimg]

So you see it all matches. The incendiary devices meant to cut the supports and release the floor panels. The location of the molten metal. The white smoke.

And then theres this thing about the molten beam with the holes on it. Remember?
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How is the draft of the full theory coming along? It's way overdue.
 
Java Man said:
So you see it all matches. The incendiary devices meant to cut the supports and release the floor panels.
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You seriously think an entire section of floor deck would collapse because a single bracket (truss seat?) was cut away somehow? There were several holding up each section and parallel floor trusses were connected to each other laterally. We should be seeing fireworks at every window along there if the entire floor was being disconnected with thermite.
 
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GlennB said:
You seriously think an entire section of floor deck would collapse because a single bracket (gusset plate?) was cut away somehow? There were several holding up each section and parallel floor trusses were connected to each other laterally. We should be seeing fireworks at every window along there if the entire floor was being disconnected with thermite.
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Several holding up? Yes more than one: two. And no we are not seeing the entire floor being disconnected. Just one device misfiring.

Oh and BTW, remember your molten metal theory? The pooling and sliding down? How could a panel drop and allow the pool molten metal to slide to the window if as you claim : "and parallel floor trusses were connected to each other laterally"???? Did you guys take that bit of information when you formulated that theory? Did NIST? Because every time you counter my arguments in seems you have less and less of a clue as to what went on. Sure you're arguments "look nice" as a single response to a truther's position. But in the global picture it doesn't even fit in with themselves. Guess that's an unfortunate byproduct of not having the burden of proof. Like I've always said, you can claim all this because you don't have to prove it. Unfortunately (for you) this benefit is now turning out to be your biggest problem in getting the story right.
 
Java Man said:
The point is that the office fires did not melt the steel another source did.
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FIFY.

The first part of that is correct. As there was no molten steel found. NO molten steel. very simple.

But there are 10 very common metals that melt at under 1000C which would have been in the towers in abundance.

Can you eliminate ANY of them? No you can't.

And since the temperatures were not high enough to melt steel, there was no molten steel.

Gee that is a rather simple logical idea... unless you bring in appeals to magic, hushaboom or ninjaneers (not counting MOTHRA) that is.
 
Java Man said:
The temperature of the liquid metal observed is higher as it is clearly yellowish white.
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You cannot determine what a metal is by the colour of the molten material unless you KNOW the temperature. Then with the temperature and colour you can determine what the metal most likely is. Without a specific knowledge of the temperature you cannot make the claim that the molten material is anything besides a "molten material."

OY has a great 8 picture test for truthers. Please take it. Tell us what each molten material is based on the color.

I'll wait for it. It should be simple for you. Feel free.
 
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Java Man said:
Lets see. A passport on the luggage or clothing of a terrorist. Inside the airplane. Made out of paper. And it survives. Kinda undermines your majestic fireball theory.
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Not particularly. since the passport was most likely in the pocket of the terrorist, who hit the building at 500 mph. Who was at the FRONT end of the debris, and would have most likely gone through the building in front of that "majestic fireball theory."

In plane crashes, random odd stuff survives. PSA 1771... look it up.

Why are you apologizing for 19 murdering terrorists?
 
TruthersLie said:
But there are 10 very common metals that melt at under 1000C which would have been in the towers in abundance.
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Yes, but like I mentioned none could stand in a vertical position and be filmed at the temperature we see. They would be molten in a pool and not visible from the street as they would be in a horizontal position ( a pool, get it?) The fact that we can see something like that so bright is because it's a metal that hasn't managed to melt into a pool of liquid at that temperature.
 
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