General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

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bikerdruid said:
the president of israel has real power.
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No he doesn't. He is a figurehead like the Queen. The prime minister has power, but that's another issue.

Why do folks who keep "explaining" to us what is "really going on" in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict always get the most basic facts wrong?
 
By the way: certain Israeli "peace" activists have already visitied -- you guessed it -- the families of the accused killers of murderers of the Fogel family in Itamar, and expressed -- you guessed it again -- shock at the brutal, evil methods the IDF used to captured the suspects (they broke into the families' houses to capture them, you see). Not a word, needless to say, about the murderers of the family, naturally.
 
angrysoba said:
This guy goes into overdrive on the whole "I bet Israel is to blame for something and I'm sure it must be Israel and I will rant and rage until it is true!"

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Oooh, my stomach got a bit queasy at about the 3:30 mark when he starts talking about what a good job Hamas has done of "getting rid of" the collaborators. It's almost as though he's unaware he's talking about murder.

But of course he is perfectly aware. It's just that he thinks it's okay when brown people murder other brown people.
 
Mycroft said:
It turns out he's not the first "peace activist" killed by Palestinians.

http://palsolidarity.org/2007/09/2663/
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Or sexually harassed by them. The link (in Hebrew) notes that Israeli left-wing "peace activists" have been going to special workshops about how to handle being sexually harassed by Palestinian men during their anti-occupation demonstrations.

Sure, they are there to support the Palestinians, but they are, after all, mere women, and infidel women at that, and thus it makes sense to harass them, in the mind of many Palestinian men.

Again we see the racism of low expectations from the workshop's creators: if it had been any other group of people who treat women publicly like this, there would have been an enormous outrage. But Palestinians? Meh. Those brown skinned folks just can't control themselves, like animals cannot.

Better to go to workshops to learn how to not arouse their amorous desires in the first place than to demand anything so impossible as basic decency.
 
angrysoba said:
This guy goes into overdrive on the whole "I bet Israel is to blame for something and I'm sure it must be Israel and I will rant and rage until it is true!"

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That's Kenneth O'Keefe. Former useful idiot for Saddam Hussein and now pimping his ass for Islamofascism. I hate him and I hate his stupid face.
 
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NWO Sentryman said:
I call Poe's law on the Video.
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If you mean that Ken O'Keefe's ranting was a parody then I'm afraid not. He really does seriously mean what he says. He appears on a number of You Tube clips including one where he was on a panel with Yvonne Ridley. He was talking about how the Lusitania sinking and Pearl Harbor were "false flags" to get the US into wars. Yvonne Ridley came across much saner than him by pointing out that Germany declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor which was not the inevitable result of an attack by Japan.

When Yvonne Ridley is saner than you then you ought to worry. But of course you would only worry about it if you were sane.
 
Yes where he claimed he bravely fought of evil IDF pirates and left the blood on his head for days so it would look better for the interviews.
 
Some people in the comments here have said Hamas also tried to claim Israel was behind the murder of this activist guy.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/interna...ed-killers-of-italian-peace-activist-1.356663

It's somewhat in bad taste but just as there are Darwin Awards I have sometimes wondered if there shouldn't be Malcolm Caldwell Awards. These would go to loud proponents of murderous regimes and apologists of fanatics who, themselves, get murdered by the fanatics and murderous regimes that they support.
 
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/38a6fc7c-...e0d-11dd-b791-0000779fd2ac.html#axzz1Jw3sR200


Israel’s justice ministry said Mr Lieberman was informed by the attorney-general that he was “considering” an indictment, one of the last formal steps before charges are filed. Mr Lieberman has the right to defend himself in a hearing, a move that would delay any indictment for several months at least


As this issue gets closer what is the likelyhood that Lieberman's party will fall apart if he is found guilty. As his party is needed in the coalition for Netanyahu to hold government I'm surprised this is not getting more attention.

whats the likely outcome here?


ETA...damn link asks for registration.....sorry, please just google it up, its in a number of places
 
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The Fool said:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/38a6fc7c-...e0d-11dd-b791-0000779fd2ac.html#axzz1Jw3sR200


Israel’s justice ministry said Mr Lieberman was informed by the attorney-general that he was “considering” an indictment, one of the last formal steps before charges are filed. Mr Lieberman has the right to defend himself in a hearing, a move that would delay any indictment for several months at least


As this issue gets closer what is the likelyhood that Lieberman's party will fall apart if he is found guilty. As his party is needed in the coalition for Netanyahu to hold government I'm surprised this is not getting more attention.

whats the likely outcome here?


ETA...damn link asks for registration.....sorry, please just google it up, its in a number of places
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I think if it turns out he's guilty then it is a good thing Israel prosecutes the corrupt.

Mind you, this link suggests that there isn't a lot of confidence in the legal system as around half of the population believes it is politically motivated.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-editio...ed-decision-or-political-persecution-1.355846

Check out the name of this researcher:

According to the poll, supervised by Prof. Camil Fuchs of Tel Aviv University, 38 percent said the decision was justified. Exactly the same percentage said it constituted political persecution. The last 24 percent said they did not know.
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Do you think the professor gave a joke name to the reporter over the telephone?
 
angrysoba said:
I think if it turns out he's guilty then it is a good thing Israel prosecutes the corrupt.

Mind you, this link suggests that there isn't a lot of confidence in the legal system as around half of the population believes it is politically motivated.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-editio...ed-decision-or-political-persecution-1.355846

Check out the name of this researcher:



Do you think the professor gave a joke name to the reporter over the telephone?
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I accept that if you charge a politician that a significant proportion of the population would view it as politically motivated although I can't agree with you that 38% is "around half". Do you believe that the Israeli justice system is politically motivated in charging this guy? I don't see much evidence for that.

What I was asking about was the potential to bring down the current coalition.

and just curious too....why would you think Fox was a joke name (or the German spelling of fox)?
 
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Because, hey, a minister being corrupt (who ever heard of such a thing?) is just like butchering a family, including babies, or killing the "activist" which came to help you. But heck, let's post something -- anything -- to smear Israel.

The only thing such comparisons of "moral equivelancy" show is that there's no equivelancy. It's like the posting of the "Israeli terrorist acts" lists. All it shows -- as I've shown in a previous post -- is that Israelies, in 60+ years, committed less terrorist acts than the Palestinians did per week (on average) or per day (sometimes) during the height of the 2nd Intifada.
 
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