Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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R.Mackey said:
You're a funny guy.

Truth be told, I'm extremely concerned about nuclear weapons, always have been. But you won't solve the problem by believing and spready wide-eyed boogeyman fantasies based on pseudoscience.

Folks in the peace movement HATE Truthers, and for good reason. You try to hijack their rallies and make them all look stupid.

Fighting for social change and peace is a good thing. Doing so by claiming Boris Badanov blew up the WTC as part of a multi-generational plan to enslave humanity is stupid. Don't be stupid.
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Great post.
 
Clayton Moore said:
That's just a lie. A huge lie that is repeated over and over and over.
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No, it isn't. And your claim that it is a lie is a classic example of Myriad's Masochistic Lie. Anyone can very easily use the search engine, or just simply go to the sticky threads at the top of the forum, and check that there are indeed many accounts from firefighters stating that the fires in WTC7 were extremely widespread and intense; ElMundoHummus, among others, has done so. And this is not even a matter of opinion; if I'd said that the fires were widespread and intense, you'd have some scope for disagreement, but the existence of the accounts is quite indisputable.

So why, one wonders, are you accusing me of lying when I've said something that is quite indisputably true? Is it because, having been caught in a lie yourself, you have no way to try and even the score but to pretend that everyone who disagrees with you is a liar?

Dave
 
A question for the WTC 7 skeptics*; if the fires were so small, and the building was under such limited risk of collapse as you claim, why - when they rebuilt #7 - did they use concrete instead of steel? Remember the new safety features are extra "$$$$" on the line to prevent this from happening a second time. I'm curious what the "skeptic*" side thinks of this.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Look at the picture. There are fires on one floor.
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If you were aiming for any sense of credibility in these forums, you just pissed it away in a single sentence.

Considering, in this one picture, there are three separate fires burning on three separate floors:



And in what freaking galaxy do you live in where you can see a raging fire spanning across some 90-120 feet of an office floor and handwave it away as insignificant?
 
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moved my response to this over here to avoid continuing the derail there...

ozeco41 said:
Well those few posts have quite a few points of direct relevance to the problems facing this proposed debate.

(There, that does it - we are still on topic. :D )
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Not that I think picking through the details is bad or something you should absolutely not do, but if it doesn't change anything it's likely not worth bringing up unless it's for clarification or it might be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Just my opinion
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
moved my response to this over here to avoid continuing the derail there...
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DERAIL Sir? Bite your tongue. We wuz merely exploring factors underpinning the topic. :boxedin:

Grizzly Bear said:
...Not that I think picking through the details is bad or something you should absolutely not do, but if it doesn't change anything it's likely not worth bringing up unless it's for clarification or it might be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Just my opinion
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Yes. Plus allow for different needs and different perspectives which vary between individuals. The pursuit of detail to get all the bits of jigsaw together is legit AND the no need to look at details if the big picture is right is also legit - and those two can be claimed to be diametrically opposed. They aren't.
 
Sabretooth said:
If you were aiming for any sense of credibility in these forums, you just pissed it away in a single sentence.

Considering, in this one picture, there are three separate fires burning on three separate floors:

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And in what freaking galaxy do you live in where you can see a raging fire spanning across some 90-120 feet of an office floor and handwave it away as insignificant?
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How can that be a fire, there is so little smoke. I think its probably an orange fire blanket, under bright lights that was used to give cover to the team laying the explosives.

Why didn't NIST consider this?
 
Telltale Tom said:
How can that be a fire, there is so little smoke. I think its probably an orange fire blanket, under bright lights that was used to give cover to the team laying the explosives.

Why didn't NIST consider this?
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Toke said:
Clearly due to a lack of imagination, such a fiendish plan would be far beyond their capacity to comprehend.
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Quite obviously the windows on these 'fire floors' ahd previously bee replaced with LCD screens. When no power is appiled to them they simply pass light through them, but when power is appiled they can be programmed to block or reflect specific colours. They were programmed to display a very convincing large area office fire and smoke bombs were placed strategically to mimic office fire smoke.
Upshot is that there were NEVER ANY fires in WTC7

**note this**:;)
 
Sabretooth said:
If you were aiming for any sense of credibility in these forums, you just pissed it away in a single sentence.

Considering, in this one picture, there are three separate fires burning on three separate floors:

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_424124da840e867050.jpg[/qimg]

And in what freaking galaxy do you live in where you can see a raging fire spanning across some 90-120 feet of an office floor and handwave it away as insignificant?
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The Milky Way, where intelligent people believe their eyes to recognize danger.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html
 
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Clayton Moore said:
The Milky Way, where intelligent people believe their eyes to recognize danger.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html
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From above link:

Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no fire, however severe, has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to collapse.
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Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no high rise building has ever been demolished by thermwhatever.

Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no theologian, however pious, has ever proven 100 structural engineers wrong.

Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no architect has ever made a living by accusing the media, NYPD, and FDNY of "foreknowledge" of controlled demolition by explosives.
 
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