Ausmerican
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Could you clarify what you mean by the bolded part?
And this thread was put here because they are part and parcel of the same "POTUS isn't American" CT.
Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion
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Could you clarify what you mean by the bolded part?
And this thread was put here because they are part and parcel of the same "POTUS isn't American" CT.
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Why? I don't know him. He seems like a perfectly pleasant schmoozer and charmer. He must be to have gotten where he is. Because, let me be clear... he's a nice guy, I shouldn't have any doubts and questions concerning him? He should be exempt from critical challenge and examination? What is truly frightening to me, and is something of a landmark, is what does appear to be a huge number of people who's commitment and defense of this man seems to compel them to make the pursuit of any potentially damaging truth to be actively opposed.
Upchurch
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As has been pointed out, it's part of the same conspiracy theory. The claim has been around for over a year and has already been debunked.
My question for you is this: How many times must you be taken in by the lies of the same group of people before you (1) begin to to question the validity of the stuff they claim rather than immediately buying into the idea that they may be on to something and (2) begin to question the motives of that group?
I mean, it could be possible that they are simply just gullible to the extreme. Right? Why do you, JudeBrando, keep buying into this stuff? Is it because Obama is a Democrat? Because he has a funny name that just happens to sound like an amalgam of the names of two of our enemies? Because he is a distant relative of Dick Cheney?
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Everyone that asks any of these questions are all part of some one group?!
Are Obama's passport records also never to be subject to review?
Can I ask what is Obama's favorite color, or would that definitely be racist?
President Obama, if you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be?
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Tatyana, who can disagree with or challenge Obama about anything without being overtly or covertly racist? Who cannot?
You certainly can ask any questions you like. My three year old nephew recently discovered the joy of asking "Why?" to any explanation given to him.
You're not necessarily entitled to an answer.
You're not entitled to add conditions to the qualifications required to be President of the United States, as that is spelled out in the Constitution, and may not be changed without a constitutional amendment.
You're not necessarily entitled to an answer.
You're not entitled to add conditions to the qualifications required to be President of the United States, as that is spelled out in the Constitution, and may not be changed without a constitutional amendment.
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fullflavormenthol
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Because it is part of the overall birther CT's and originated from birther conspiracy theorist/lawyer of the year Orly Taitz. It honestly cannot be separated the birther ct's because the only conclusion that can be inferred from the belief in the SSN conspiracy theory is that the president isn't a citizen.
On a side note I am glad all the birther stuff has been merged, and contrary to minimizing your post it makes it part of a more popular mega thread.
People accusing the president of being a secret Muslim / not born here / identity thief aren't just disagreeing with him though, are they?
These accusers of fraud aren't challenging Obama about "anything" though, are they? They are accusing him of being some weird fraudulent Manchurian candidate who had a miraculous Kenyan birth. Your hasty generalization fallacy, like the above strawman fallacy, fails.
0 for 2. Try harder.
Yngwie Malmsteen.
Kari Wuhrer.
Upchurch
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Not any questions. In this particular case, it is literally the same people who are attempting to push the Birther junk through the court system and failing miserably. This SSN thing was just another failed attempt to find problems with the President's citizenship where none exist.
What about his passport records? If you have questions about where he's traveled, okay. If you are questioning whether or not he got his passport under false circumstances... well, you are free to ask the questions, but don't be surprised if you are once again labeled a Birther and laughed at. There is nothing there and it's been demonstrated again and again, both legally and substantively.
Back to my question to you (which you suspiciously avoided), has it ever occurred to you that all the evidence that suggests Obama is was not born in this country has either been manipulated or is flat-out fraudulent? You remember, like your "Welcome To Kenya" sign or Cashill's "undoctored Obama grandparent" photo that was, in fact, rather obviously doctored.
Whereas the evidence supporting Obama having been born in this country has passed every test as being real. Sure, there are people that have invented elaborate stories to explain how Obama could have been born outside the country and that evidence could still be in place, but it's odd that absolutely no evidence to support that has ever been found. Occam's razor would suggest the simpler of the two explanations, don't you think?
False equivalency. Just because some questions have nefarious motivations doesn't mean that all questions have nefarious motivations.
Has Obama ever given you reason to think that he is not a natural born citizen? Have you ever seen any evidence that suggests he is not a natural born citizen that hasn't been thoroughly shown to be false or faked? If not, why would you insist that the question continue to be asked?
Upchurch
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The question is: Why do you have doubts and questions about his place of birth? Obama has provided more evidence of his place of birth than any other President than I can think of. It has been certified by the great State of Hawaii and has been supported by supplemental evidence.
Challenge him? Absolutely.
Continue to challenge him on something that has already been settled beyond any reasonable expectation? At that point, it's just a waste of everyone's time.
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Also the only reason they want to see passport records is because the birthers still hold the false belief that travel to Pakistan was banned to Americans when Obama went. They somehow confuse the travel advisory with a ban, and so the entire motivation is gone. The entire reason is to prove a foreign passport, but there would be no reason because Americans were not banned from Pakistan at the time.
Alareth
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What other explanation is there?
He would only be racist if Democrat was considered an ethnicity.
Dave Rogers
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Having already been investigated and found to be groundless, yes.
They may, if they wish, but they have no duty to do so.
Have similar questions ever been asked of any President without recent African ancestry?
I have a question in return. Given that you don't even appear to know what the allegations about President Obama's SSN are, why do you feel that they are serious and plausible enough to pursue?
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Well, based on this:
It's more like "Galileo created the whole controversy about flatness to force the Church to respond the way they did, just to make them look bad!"
CptColumbo
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So, one unproven hypothesis is used to prove another one.
You underestimate the ability of people to be stupid, without any coaching or prompting.
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Why are birthers not attempting to deny the citizenship of everyone born in Hawaii that doesn't have their original BC? It would seem that based on their claims about the POTUS that we have an entire island chain filled with fake American's leeching off the system.
Some of them dance like your parents and can't play basketball.
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If that's what it takes to prove Obama wasn't born here, so be it. What's a little colateral damage when a crazy idea is at stake?
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Better healthcare?
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