Merged Molten metal observations

[ProBonoShill]

I warned you. Now you're the only one being disrespectful here. You're the one who's using this crime to censor someone else's opinion. I'm just questioning the job done by NIST and others in regards to this incident. You on the other hand are using the incident to censor me. By using the emotional line you're a disgrace to the flag, the country, the constitution and all those who fought for liberty and freedom of speech. People have a right to question and investigate and have a counter opinion to the official position. If that is wrong it in no way insults the victims. It's just going an extra step to see if there was no foul play or negligence. But in no way am I ever trying to shut you up using the victims misfortune as you are trying to do with me. You're a true disgrace. If you have the nerve then come here and answer the questions with backup, with proof. Even if by forum rules you don't have to, stand up and do it. Carry the burden of proof truthers have to carry. Don't use their misfortune (the victim's) as a shield to hide from my arguments. Be a man and stand up with your own arguments. That is if you have any. As it is common knowledge here that you come around with statements like these when you have nothing sensible left to say. Coward.

Ohhhhhhh look, Java Man posting ad homs, yet can't take the time to formulate a simple theory.


Speaking of cowards, why don't you visit the nearest FDNY station and share your thoughts with them, let's see how brave you really are tough guy.

 

[Java Man]

Ohhhhhhh look, Java Man posting ad homs, yet can't take the time to formulate a simple theory.


Speaking of cowards, why don't you visit the nearest FDNY station and share your thoughts with them, let's see how brave you really are tough guy.

Oh you mean the FDNY with the guys who became ill for being on ground zero and are not getting any benefits for being heroes? We could start a whole new thread just on that matter.

 

[beachnut]

I'm sure the metal from the wings also leapfrogged into the fuselage. Yea right.

Oh I'm sure aluminum can melt. I'm not under the impression that aluminum cannot melt. But airplanes are not made out of pure aluminum, but rather alloys that as you see burn. That's why a close look at the fuselage shows an rough ash like edge rather than a molten drip. Like you see in my aluminium foil picture.

I am a trained accident investigator, by the USAF, aluminum (alloy) melts in jet fuel fires, and temperatures reach 2000 F. I have witnessed first person and owned the crash site, and after the Fire department released the scene, it was my site. Al melts, and burns, too bad your lighter is not hot enough to melt the foil; that was cute. You should use studies and knowledge instead of opinion. The constitution? LOL, look up the oath I took as an air force officer. This should be be good as you use opinion, and the events of 911 are based on reality, not opinions. Good luck.

Next time you try doing a model of melting Al, try thousand of gallons of jet fuel and a complete aircraft. Good luck with your C-4 opinion.

Those who died on 911 deserve more than your opinion.

 

[beachnut]

I warned you.

Is this like a fire light on final?

Now you're the only one being disrespectful here. You're the one who's using this crime to censor someone else's opinion.

Opinion? You are spreading opinion to mislead others on 911. Molten metal? What is your story on this, I looked back, I will try to find what you are pushing.

I'm just questioning the job done by NIST and others in regards to this incident. You on the other hand are using the incident to censor me.

Fire and gravity is the big picture, what did they get wrong with the big picture?

By using the emotional line you're a disgrace to the flag, the country, the constitution and all those who fought for liberty and freedom of speech.

No, the people who died on 911 deserve more than opinion, they deserve facts, and 19 terrorists murdered them! What did it get wrong? Nothing.

People have a right to question and investigate and have a counter opinion to the official position. If that is wrong it in no way insults the victims.

Opinions? Don't count in science, engineering, and physics. If your opinion is 3+7=5, your opinion is wrong due to math. But I am not censoring your opinions by demanding the murdered deserve more than made up opinions.

It's just going an extra step to see if there was no foul play or negligence. But in no way am I ever trying to shut you up using the victims misfortune as you are trying to do with me.

19 terrorists did it. NIST confirmed the WTC towers were built strong; your opinions will fall short of science, you have to apply engineering and science to catch up to NIST; outlook not good.

You're a true disgrace.

Yes, demanding more than opinions on 911 is disgraceful, true disgrace to demand more than opinions for those who figured out 911 in minutes. I was in the USAF for 28 years, and my heroes were on flight 93, they figured out 911 in minutes and TOOK ACTION, you have had over 9 years and you bring opinions, when the simple answer is 19 terrorists did it, and the WTC towers were built very well, stronger than most buildings. The tiny B-25 did a lot of damage to the ESB, a KE impact of 18 pounds of TNT, the WTC towers built to withstand 186 pounds of TNT KE impact, subjected to 7 to 11 times more energy. Use some science instead of opinions.

If you have the nerve then come here and answer the questions with backup, with proof.

C-4 burns, fact; Al alloys melt in fire, fact. The truth is easy to find, why can't 911 "truth" find the truth instead of failed opinions?

Even if by forum rules you don't have to, stand up and do it.

Do what?

Carry the burden of proof truthers have to carry.

You have no evidence, you have opinions based on opinions and you have said so clearly without mental reservation or coercion.

Don't use their misfortune (the victim's) as a shield to hide from my arguments.

What arguments, you said they were your opinions, and you are clearly allowed to have as many opinions as you wish to have. If you are from the USA, I spent 28 years ready to defend your rights to spread your opinion high and low; you are doing it! Good Job.

Be a man and stand up with your own arguments.

Al melts in fire, even alloys, and C-4 burns in fire, my dad's buddies burned it in WWII, when it was less plastic.

That is if you have any.

19 terrorists did 911, they used a weakness, tricked us with fake hijackings. Fire, and gravity collapse, fire destroys buildings.

As it is common knowledge here that you come around with statements like these when you have nothing sensible left to say.

19 terrorists did 911, fire and gravity destroyed the WTC complex; it takes minutes to figure this out. Your opinions were proved wrong on 911; what are you opinions?

Coward.

that is me! I was afraid to fly high performance jets; not really. I am afraid a mountain lion might get me in the dark and rip me apart; is that cowardly? I was laughing at Saddam when he shot SCUDs at me, is that cowardly, or just stupid?

This is what cowards do for living!

This was easy, the hardest part of being in the USAF for me was ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_notification If being a coward means not using opinions about 911 to spread false information, then I would like to be the biggest coward, but I know I fall short.

So please show us the molten aluminum on the
tarmac.

I have seen it in accidents, and at school where we were trained to be aircraft accident investigators. You might try to research this before posting things like this. Google has it, did you miss it?
http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/...irren 07-08-10/20LiberatorMoltenAluminium.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_DAcQUmvY19Q/SHwcq0_24MI/AAAAAAAAAps/da1x0onjv2Y/s640/S7301272.JPG

 

[ProBonoShill]

Oh you mean the FDNY with the guys who became ill for being on ground zero and are not getting any benefits for being heroes? We could start a whole new thread just on that matter.

Knock yourself out Scooter, I suggest you do it in another sub-forum though this one's about 9/11 Conspiracy Theories.

Speaking of theories, where's yours?

You do remember these posts from this thread don't you:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186203

Now we are getting close to me presenting a complete theory to your consideration. Time allowing for me to write it down, so be patient. I just hope we can continue to have a mature conversation like we've been having up to now.

An abstract, that's a great though. I think I can come up with that in a day's time. Do you want a trailer too?

You wrote these in September it's now April, what's the holdup?

 

[jiggeryqua]

Nothing.

NOTHING flammable would survive the impact of the jet and the resulting fireball. Stop pretending anything on this planet would have.

Passport. Flammable?

(Once again, for the hard of understanding, I'm not a truther, I just think you won't silence them with such poor 'arguments'.)

 

[beachnut]

Passport. Flammable?

(Once again, for the hard of understanding, I'm not a truther, I just think you won't silence them with such poor 'arguments'.)

The passport was moving at 800 feet per second, it left the building. The explosives in the delusional explosives theory were in the building, and yes, they could be ejected like the passport and would be found, like evidence. Gee, the passport made it and the explosives did not! WHY? Because the passport was real, and the explosives are delusions.

You are not a truther? You want truther delusions to be treated with respect, the claims based on lies, hearsay and fantasy. I respect kids who believer in Santa, 911 truth delusions, are not as useful or in the same category of fantasy.

Did they find any ejected explosives? No. Some crazy paranoid conspiracy theorists made up the lie of thermite in the dust, but they debunked themselves in their own paper which they published in a vanity journal. Clearly lots of things were ejected in the KE impacts from the aircraft, just as they are in high speed impacts of jet aircraft, parts in perfect condition, the rest destroyed.

Who wants to silence truthers? People who believe 911 truth have valid claims are self-critiquing.

Passport can be burned, is it flammable, what is the point? Right, you don't like the fact 911 truth is stuck with delusions and reality is stuck with facts and evidence. Darn. Is a passport capable of being easily ignited and burn quickly? I tried, and no, the Passport does not burn quickly, my old passport went out. Gasoline was flammable, my passport not so flammable. Darn, just when you thought you had a point. You need to add your own expertise here, and not attack those who understand 911 and are not spreading lies like 911 truth does. If you want to support 911 truth's anti-intellectual movement, you will need to step it up a bunch to overcome the stupid claims made by 911 truth. Or study 911 more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUFSR2zTo7c

Have you seen a movement which is more anti-intellectual? The molten metal stuff exposes them every-time.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Totally wrong. Accumulation in one corner of the structure means just that accumulation. You can not conclude that more thermite was applied there. You can only conclude that accumulation occurred there. Thermite could have been equally applied to other areas, but molten material just didn't accumulate there. Or maybe it did, but just flowed in another direction when the "dam" broke. Namely away from the perimeter walls and was not caught by the cameras.

Once again debunker logic at its best.

That explanation is not unlike what I'd expect from my almost 3 year old granddaughter if I asked her how cars were made.

Where is the heat to keep accumulating/pooling molten metal from solidifying?

 

[beachnut]

That explanation is not unlike what I'd expect from my almost 3 year old granddaughter if I asked her how cars were made.

Where is the heat to keep accumulating/pooling molten metal from solidifying?

Office fires. Very hot. Easy question, you could have answered yourself.

Plus in aircraft there are these nasty things which when exposed to fire, burn very hot. Hot stuff. These crashed an aircraft.
Fact, these were injected into the WTC by 11 and 175, along with 66,000 pounds of jet fuel in each aircraft, equal in heat energy to 315 tons of TNT (the jet fuel)! Can you check my math? Does your granddaughter know there is 315 tons of TNT heat energy in 10,000 gallons of jet fuel? Does she know about oxygen generators? You discovered what I suspected, 911 truth uses the same logic as a 3 year old uses, but 911 truth makes up delusions about 911. Cool.

 

[Joey McGee]

Those who died on 911 deserve more than your opinion.

A great opportunity for a moral lesson, the only contribution the truthers will ever make to humanity.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Office fires. Very hot. Easy question, you could have answered yourself.

Plus in aircraft there are these nasty things which when exposed to fire, burn very hot. Hot stuff. These crashed an aircraft.
Fact, these were injected into the WTC by 11 and 175, along with 66,000 pounds of jet fuel in each aircraft, equal in heat energy to 315 tons of TNT (the jet fuel)! Can you check my math? Does your granddaughter know there is 315 tons of TNT heat energy in 10,000 gallons of jet fuel? Does she know about oxygen generators? You discovered what I suspected, 911 truth uses the same logic as a 3 year old uses, but 911 truth makes up delusions about 911. Cool.

No she doesn't. She doesn't know Jimmy Foxx kinda looked like Babe Ruth either. Which, like your two pronouncements, means absolutely nothing in a discussion of the heat required to keep molten metal flowing from its origin to accumulate and subsequently flow down the side of the building.

 

[beachnut]

No she doesn't. She doesn't know Jimmy Foxx kinda looked like Babe Ruth either. Which, like your two pronouncements, means absolutely nothing in a discussion of the heat required to keep molten metal flowing from its origin to accumulate and subsequently flow down the side of the building.

... office fires cause melted metal to stay melted, plastic to melt, etc. Are you saying fire can't cause metal to stay melted? Did you see those oxygen generators? How many are on a large jet aircraft? Do you know anything about the topic past what your 3 year old granddaughter explained to you?

That explanation is not unlike what I'd expect from my almost 3 year old granddaughter ... ?

Can she check the math? Did you ask her how hot the oxygen generators burn?

Office fires, the correct answer, and jet fuel fires melt Al easy, I found melted Al in aircraft accidents. What made the Al melt, fire. Pb, anyone think Pb was in the WTC? What was the stuff flowing from the WTC? Does it matter? No.

What was your point? 911 truth claims are what a 3 year-old could make up? Or what? Why does 911 truth bring up melted stuff flowing from the WTC as some sort of evidence for their explosives/thermite delusions?

Metals and more melt in fires, why does 911 truth make up conspiracy theories about reality?

 

[dafydd]

Knock yourself out Scooter, I suggest you do it in another sub-forum though this one's about 9/11 Conspiracy Theories.

Speaking of theories, where's yours?

You do remember these posts from this thread don't you:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186203







You wrote these in September it's now April, what's the holdup?

No theory,and not a clue. That is the holdup.

 

[dafydd]

That explanation is not unlike what I'd expect from my almost 3 year old granddaughter if I asked her how cars were made.

Where is the heat to keep accumulating/pooling molten metal from solidifying?

There are these things called fires. Where did you study these subjects and what are your qualifications?

 

[Clayton Moore]

There are these things called fires. Where did you study these subjects and what are your qualifications?

Thank you dafydd.

 

[dafydd]

Thank you dafydd.

Always happy to help a truther to recovery. Now what about your qualifications?

 

[NoahFence]

I beg you pardon? You're half an inch from crossing the don't cross line. Don't insult.

Irony....

You've crossed that line many times and not even known about it.

 

[tsig]

You folks keep coming up with all this great stuff that keeps simplifying my theory. When I think I have something pinned down you suggest an even simpler model.

Hijack planes, crash planes. Very simple.

 

[Java Man]

Is this like a fire light on final? ..... etc etc etc

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Removed personal remarks

 

[Java Man]

Irony....

You've crossed that line many times and not even known about it.

Not quite. I never silence people's opinion based on other's misfortune. Heck you're living proof that I'm open to anyones opinion. As wrong as they may be. LOL