Merged School Secretary Persecuted For Making Porn

[GzuzKryzt]

"I'm giv'n her all she's got, Captain. She canna hold out much longer! I'm gonna hafta eject the hardcore!" And after the sexynova there's nothing but a black hole.
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I must have missed that before, because I'm still laughing as I am typing.

 

[Puppycow]

Ah, come on, you know better than that, Puppycow. I never said that.

The logic is the same though. You're saying that if society thinks that a thing is bad, then it's bad. Argumentum ad populum. 50 years ago people would have made the same argument about gay people.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

The logic is the same though. You're saying that if society thinks that a thing is bad, then it's bad. Argumentum ad populum. 50 years ago people would have made the same argument about gay people.

I think I understood your point a bit better now.

However, my point "porn is not mainstream yet" - and when I said "western" I meant the EU, Canada and the USA - was more aimed at finding a workable solution to the question "Should she be fired?". It was intended towards being able to move on by finding a solution the majority of the people involved can live with.

If she wins her appeal, I will consider my opinion flawed and in need for revision.

And I would see a lot clearer in this discussion, if I knew where you guys stood. In fact, I am making a poll. (This might take a while, though.)

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Poll: High school secretary fired for moonlighting in porn movie

Make your voice heard and vote.

Source article.

Let's not put too much emphasis on the semantics of the phrase "to fire"; end of contract, termination, letting go, etc.

 

[Kevin_Lowe]

I'm pretty sure that if a teacher made a video of them driving recklessly, without a seat belt, in many different cars (black cars, white cars, even minis), from every different seat, or operating a chain saw without proper protective equipment, and a face shield, that they'd have a problem with that as well.

As I said earlier, STD testing in the porn industry is such that being a porn star is far less dangerous than many other perfectly legal professions. Perhaps the most apt comparison would be with professional stuntpersons - they are paid to take certain risks under certain conditions to make movies that sell. That doesn't make them bad role models, in my view.

Not as large a problem I'd speculate, but a problem none the less.

I think it's an apples to oranges comparison you are making. STD testing is the "proper protective equipment".

 

[Cavemonster]

I think it's an apples to oranges comparison you are making. STD testing is the "proper protective equipment".

That's actually dangerously untrue.
HIV, and other sexually transmitted diseases often have a window period up to several months where they may not be detected by tests.

Aside from that, they do not protect against unwanted pregnancy.

 

[Taarkin]

Wait, what was she doing outside the kitchen in the first place? They should have fired her a long time ago.

 

[Dorian Gray]

What are you talking about?

The question was if porn was "accepted" in Canada. I simply replied that something that so man y people do certainly seems to be accepted to me.

I have seen nothing that suggested that in this case the films she was acting in were either produced or shown at her work - so it appears to me it was done privately enough.

No, I don't think it is accepted to take money and let people film me taking a dump. I doubt that some 10% of the population would be doing that or something similar.

My question wasn't whether it is accepted overall in Canada, but whether it is accepted in school employees. I don't think it should be. The school board there doesn't think it should be. If it goes to court, it won't be a case of whether it should be, but whether an employer should be able to decide what its employees do in terms of affecting their ability to do their job. Arguably being an alcoholic or stoner would affect your work, but at least you could sober up before coming to work. However, it's impossible to "unporn."

Try reading for comprehension.

Also, if 13-17 year olds didn't consume porn (Bwahahahahahahahahahah!!!), then where is the problem at all? In that case, the teacher would be doing something that the children are not even aware of exists and could not have much of a mental image of if someone told them.

But the problem very much is that the children would watch her films, isn't it?

YOU try reading for comprehension. The school age range (13-18) and the age range of the stat you quoted (18-34) only overlap at age 18, so it's irrelevant. That porn is accepted by adults doesn't mean it is acceptable for children.

 

[Dorian Gray]

Aside from the red herring of role models..

I don't think the employer has the right to regulate her private activites.

At the end of the day, it isn't regulating her private activities. She is free to make all the porn she wants to. It's regulating her employment. Shouldn't an employer get to decide who works for it, outside of those in protected status, which does not include 'porn actress'?

 

[Christian Klippel]

So, she acts in a porn movie in her personal time, what's the problem with that?

And a 14 year old saw her in such a movie, on an adult site, no less. What about him and his parents? How come he was able to get on that site, and to see that movie in the first place? Uncaring parents?

No, i would not have fired her. What someone does in his/her personal time outside a job is of no interest to the employer.

Greetings,

Chris

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Was the 14 year old boy disciplined for watching porn?

 

[lopeyschools]

My question wasn't whether it is accepted overall in Canada, but whether it is accepted in school employees. I don't think it should be. The school board there doesn't think it should be. If it goes to court, it won't be a case of whether it should be, but whether an employer should be able to decide what its employees do in terms of affecting their ability to do their job. Arguably being an alcoholic or stoner would affect your work, but at least you could sober up before coming to work. However, it's impossible to "unporn."
YOU try reading for comprehension. The school age range (13-18) and the age range of the stat you quoted (18-34) only overlap at age 18, so it's irrelevant. That porn is accepted by adults doesn't mean it is acceptable for children.

quite frankly whether adults think it's acceptable or not is irrelevant. Nearly every friend I've ever heard has viewed porn well before the age of 18. Go ask your male friends when they first saw porn, chances are it was during their pre-teens.

Why isn't porn acceptable for children (viewing only!)? I haven't heard of any evidence showing my generation to be ruined by watching porn too early. I agree with the poster who said this is a throwback to Puritan values.

 

[Rasmus]

That porn is accepted by adults doesn't mean it is acceptable for children.

How is it the teachers problem wether porn is acceptable for children? She wasn't showing any in class, was she?

 

[Dinwar]

My boss's authority to dictate what I do stops when he stops paying me. Meaning if he's not paying me for all 24 hours/day, he doesn't get to dictate what I do those hours he doesn't pay me. If I want to make porn, that's my choice--just as much as if I wanted to drink beer and watch football all weekend.

I mean really, what's the difference between acting in a porn and acting in a community theater? And no, "It's meant to be sexually stimulating" isn't good enough; at that point one is selecting a range of human behaviors and declaring them to be off limits, which means in essence limiting art as a whole to only approved aspects of life. We are sexual beings, and have to eventually grow up and accept that.

As for the 14 year old, what did this teach him? That one's employer rules one's life, and that discrimination is perfectly fine, so long as it's against certain people. Would we find it acceptable to fire someone because they're black? Or a woman? Or because they talk with an accent? Or because they sleep with members of the same sex/gender? Because they choose to worship a different god? No; firing anyone for any of those would put the employer in jail FAST in almost any Western country. But do porn, and you're canned. Particularly if you enjoy things a bit rough. Sheer stupidity...

 

[Rufo]

Does every single person employed at a school need to be a role model? Even outside of their working hours? I think it's unreasonable to demand something like that of a teacher, let alone a secretary employed at a school.

 

[sgtbaker]

quite frankly whether adults think it's acceptable or not is irrelevant. Nearly every friend I've ever heard has viewed porn well before the age of 18. Go ask your male friends when they first saw porn, chances are it was during their pre-teens.

Why isn't porn acceptable for children (viewing only!)? I haven't heard of any evidence showing my generation to be ruined by watching porn too early. I agree with the poster who said this is a throwback to Puritan values.

You'll have to elaborate; what generation are you?

From one therapist's standpoint (because I did discuss this with my son's therapist), I child's first introduction to sex, being pornography, sets unrealistic expectations. My take on that is; so does every family sitcom, chickflick, or movie that has even a pg-rated sex scene.

 

[Eric D]

All this sexy secretary talk makes me want to move to planet X.

 

[Eric D]

Was the 14 year old boy disciplined for watching porn?

Should he be?

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

At the end of the day, it isn't regulating her private activities. She is free to make all the porn she wants to. It's regulating her employment. Shouldn't an employer get to decide who works for it, outside of those in protected status, which does not include 'porn actress'?

I'm solidly impressed at this evasion.

Unfortunate for you, it's an obvious evasion. You are basically saying the employer can fire her over what she does in her private time. Which is the same thing.

How is it the teachers problem wether porn is acceptable for children? She wasn't showing any in class, was she?

Her image is tarnished! (Also isn't a teacher)

Does every single person employed at a school need to be a role model? Even outside of their working hours? I think it's unreasonable to demand something like that of a teacher, let alone a secretary employed at a school.

Agreed.

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

Considering it's illegal to, by the rules, yes.

Really, no.