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Germany now shutting down nuclear reactors

Travis said:
No way does Germany ever run entirely on "renewables" that is just absurd. You have way too many electricity dependent manufacturing plants to do that.
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You can't even run on more than 10% renewables. You need baseload generation and load following generation that can respond to changes (nuclear can provide both, renewables can't provide either).

Otherwise you're just a transformer blowout away from living in the 1800s.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
You should consider moving out of the way of those of us who do.
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Your adding of the last sentence is a fine example why i should remind myself to always quote what i'm responding to on these forums, although i consider it to be a bit anal. I have to go back and do it far too often, but in your case i will not forget it again. Very dishonest.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Your adding of the last sentence is a fine example why i should remind myself to always quote what i'm responding to on these forums, although i consider it to be a bit anal. I have to go back and do it far too often, but in your case i will not forget it again. Very dishonest.
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What are you talking about?
 
DC said:
Why is it not good when people are able to decide them-self what kind of energy production they want in their country and which one not?
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Its never good when people decide anything they don't understand. That includes politicians too unfortunately.

Eskarina said:
You do realise that electricity can be traded, especially in Europe, don't you? We won't have any blackouts. Unlike parts of the US - that's at least what I heard. Power will be just that wee little more expensive. Business as usual.

Sorry, in German only.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energiemarkt#Entwicklung_der_Stromhandelsbilanz
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The electricity still has to come from somewhere though. So all you are doing is transferring the problem. Its ideologically nonsense to say we'll turn off our nuclear plants and buy electricity from French nuclear plants.

Sword_Of_Truth said:
You can't even run on more than 10% renewables. You need baseload generation and load following generation that can respond to changes (nuclear can provide both, renewables can't provide either).

Otherwise you're just a transformer blowout away from living in the 1800s.
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I'm sure there are grids that run on more than 10% renewables, aren't there? Could you expand on some of this? I'm not saying your wrong but I'm not up to speed with the idea that nuclear is a useful technology for responding to demand.
 
Last of the Fraggles said:
The electricity still has to come from somewhere though. So all you are doing is transferring the problem. Its ideologically nonsense to say we'll turn off our nuclear plants and buy electricity from French nuclear plants.
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If you read back you'll find that I responded to dudalb's and consequently Sword_of_Truth's claim that there will be power blackouts in Germany. There won't be, even if they shut down all NPPs here.

As for the rest, yes, you are right. :blush:
 
Last of the Fraggles said:
I'm not saying your wrong but I'm not up to speed with the idea that nuclear is a useful technology for responding to demand.
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Nuclear power stations operate best as a base load station but with specific control rod configurations, are quite adept at load following.

The nuclear stations in France demonstrate this capability on a daily basis.
 
Our main tabloid "Bild" did a little poll and found that 70% of Germans approve the shutting down of those reactors, while a whopping 81% consider the change of mind of the Merkel government to be "not credible". :D
 
Childlike Empress said:
Our main tabloid "Bild" did a little poll and found that 70% of Germans approve the shutting down of those reactors, while a whopping 81% consider the change of mind of the Merkel government to be "not credible". :D
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"IF 50 Million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing".
Attributed to Voltaire.
 
dudalb said:
"IF 50 Million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing".
Attributed to Voltaire.
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"If 65 million people say i'm dishonest and cuddling with the cartel, they are just making stuff up for political reasons".
Paraphrasing Angela Merkel.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
Renewable energy in GermanyWP




The annual increase in solar production capacity in 2009 and likely 2010 was higher than the US' total output.

Mind your own business, cavemen. :)
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Technically speaking you can't actually substain that sort of building. Not without having the prices skyrocket to being completely unaffordable.
 
Last of the Fraggles said:
I'm sure there are grids that run on more than 10% renewables, aren't there? Could you expand on some of this? I'm not saying your wrong but I'm not up to speed with the idea that nuclear is a useful technology for responding to demand.
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I believe that the only ones are in places that are

A: Not exactly first world industrialised countries
B. have far smaller populations than Germany and
C. Have access to some seriously beneficial natural resources.

The only one that springs to mind is Paraguay, which is 100% Hydro-electric, but has a population of 6,349,000 and

Has a HDI score of 0.640 (medium) compared to Germany 0.885 (very high).
Has a GDP of - Total $28.452 billion
- Per capita $4,700

Compared again to Germany

- Total $3.305 trillion
- Per capita $40,511


So....Yeah. If anyone can think of another one, particularly one with a high GDP, HDI and a comparable population then feel free to contradict me.
 
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