Germany now shutting down nuclear reactors

[portlandatheist]

Renewable energy in Germany^WP




The annual increase in solar production capacity in 2009 and likely 2010 was higher than the US' total output.

Mind your own business, cavemen.

And how has this helped exactly? Other than bragging rights? Coal consumption has been increasing in Germany since 2005 and you're tearing up Garzweiler, a national treasure turned into an open pit wasteland.
ETA I was wrong, it has gone down but only slightly:
http://www.eia.gov/cfapps/ipdbproje...=1&aid=2&cid=GM,&syid=2005&eyid=2009&unit=TST
2005 270,789
2006 270,534
2007 281,443
2008 267,882
2009 249,697

 

[timhau]

And there are other countries

Yeah, but we'll charge you an arm and a leg. Or at least some Bratwurst and Kristallweizen.

 

[Eskarina]

Yeah, but we'll charge you an arm and a leg. Or at least some Bratwurst and Kristallweizen.

I totally messed up that part and edited it out.

As much as you want, as far as the Kristallweizen is concerned. It gives me a terrible headache.

 

[dudalb]

And how has this helped exactly? Other than bragging rights? Coal consumption has been increasing in Germany since 2005 and you're tearing up Garzweiler, a national treasure turned into an open pit wasteland.
ETA I was wrong, it has gone down but only slightly:
http://www.eia.gov/cfapps/ipdbproje...=1&aid=2&cid=GM,&syid=2005&eyid=2009&unit=TST
2005 270,789
2006 270,534
2007 281,443
2008 267,882
2009 249,697

And it dodges the question of where the electricity soon to be gone from the German Grid will be replaced in the short term.
Probably with power from France,which pretty much depends on Nuclear Power (oh the irony) which will charge an arm and a leg for it.
Problem with the Anti Nukers is many of them are fanatics who think any amount of pain and damage is acceptable to acheive their ends.

 

[Childlike Empress]

you're tearing up Garzweiler, a national treasure turned into an open pit wasteland.

That's a shame, i agree. It's due to lobbyism by the same energy cartel which operates the nuclear reactors. It's possible but remains to be seen that current events will finally break its neck. Public opinion is so strong against nuclear power that i think the abandoning of it is now irreversible. Of course there's irrationality involved, because as long as the French and Belgians continue to operate the old crap they have just across the border, it will make us not a bit safer. But that's how it is. We'll hug our trees and feel holier than you.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

We'll hug our trees and feel holier than you.

I have a have a projector with a 120 inch screen and a 5 channel sound system, with a Wii, an X-Box and a Blu-ray player downstairs. I also have a 3.0 Ghz quad core computer with a 27 inch and a 24 inch monitor, an Antec 1200 case with six 120 mm fans and one 200 mm fan for cooling, two video cards (with their own fans) and an 850 watt power supply. Additionally, I have an HP mini-311 netbook, and an Asus G51 laptop.

And I have enough electricity to run them all.

Enjoy your tree.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

The annual increase in solar production capacity in 2009 and likely 2010 was higher than the US' total output.

That's why you're in trouble.

The electricity grid in Germany is actually in trouble because of too much solar power feeding into it. At least that's what the chairman of the DENA agency, which advises the government on energy, has warned.

Thanks in part to subsidies by the German government, solar installations have been spreading like wildfire. UPI reports that between eight and 10 gigawatts of solar capacity, which is equivalent to about 10 coal-fired power plants, are expected to be installed this year alone.

The network is facing congestion because of all this solar power, according to the DENA agency chairman, Stephan Kohler, although the solar industry disagrees.

Kohler has called on Germany to scale back the growth of solar power, and recommends the government impose a cap of 1 GW per year. UPI reports that at the current rate, Germany would have almost 50 GW of solar capacity by 2013, and Berlin recently agreed to reduce subsidies for rooftop solar panels by 16 percent—that's down from up to subsidies of 50 percent, in some cases.​

Mind your own business, cavemen.

Cavemen are those who don't have cheap electricity.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

France produces 86.6% of power via NPPs, they REALLY don't have much of a choice.

Oh but they did.

And it was the right one.

 

[portlandatheist]

I have a have a projector with a 120 inch screen and a 5 channel sound system, with a Wii, an X-Box and a Blu-ray player downstairs. I also have a 3.0 Ghz quad core computer with a 27 inch and a 24 inch monitor, an Antec 1200 case with six 120 mm fans and one 200 mm fan for cooling, two video cards (with their own fans) and an 850 watt power supply. Additionally, I have an HP mini-311 netbook, and an Asus G51 laptop.

And I have enough electricity to run them all.

Enjoy your tree.

no iPad?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

no iPad?

Apple is a cult. Steve Jobs could @#$% in a box, call it "iCrap" and his minions would buy it.

The netbook is a tablet with a keyboard that has tactile response and doesn't take up screen space, 3 USB slots, an HDMI plug and a 250GB hard drive. Let's see you store all six seasons of "Lost" on an iPoop.

 

[Childlike Empress]

I have a have a projector with a 120 inch screen and a 5 channel sound system, with a Wii, an X-Box and a Blu-ray player downstairs. I also have a 3.0 Ghz quad core computer with a 27 inch and a 24 inch monitor, an Antec 1200 case with six 120 mm fans and one 200 mm fan for cooling, two video cards (with their own fans) and an 850 watt power supply. Additionally, I have an HP mini-311 netbook, and an Asus G51 laptop.

And I have enough electricity to run them all.

Enjoy your tree.

Now i know where all the hot air is coming from.

 

[Childlike Empress]

At least that's what the chairman of the DENA agency, which advises the government on energy, has warned. [...] according to the DENA agency chairman, Stephan Kohler, although the solar industry disagrees.

DENA is a lobby organization with strong ties to mentioned energy cartel and Mr. Kohler is now also working for one of its major players, RWE.

edit: and even he is now (german) advising to shut down the reactors in question.

 

[DC]

Another example of why "Direct Democracy" is a bad, bad, idea.

Funny....

Switzerland, direct democracy , several times voted in favor of Nuclear Energy.........

Germany , representative democracy, phase out of nuclear energy was decided...

Austria, representative democracy , Nuclear energy generation is illegal ........

and even i would again vote in favor of Nuclear Energy.

 

[dudalb]

I see that someone thinks the Glorious People's Revolution is just around the corner.

 

[DC]

I see that someone thinks the Glorious People's Revolution is just around the corner.

I see someone seems to believe everyone must do things his way no matter what they actually want themself....... you know better what they need, so its best you decide for others. Funny how outside Venezuela threads you don't give a crap about democracy.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Funny how outside Venezuela threads you don't give a crap about democracy.

You noticed that too? He often reminds me of Stalin.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

DENA is a lobby organization with strong ties to mentioned energy cartel and Mr. Kohler is now also working for one of its major players, RWE.

Poisoning the well fallacy.

Grid instability due to overuse of renewables is a well known phenomenon. You are having problems with it and so is denmark.

 

[Travis]

No way does Germany ever run entirely on "renewables" that is just absurd. You have way too many electricity dependent manufacturing plants to do that.

And the USA is even less likely to do that. Our industry requires an amount of electricity that boggles the mind to even try to think about.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Poisoning the well fallacy.

Grid instability due to overuse of renewables is a well known phenomenon. You are having problems with it and so is denmark.

Biased source found with clueless googling fallacy.

What makes the cartel a cartel is that it owns the production facilities AND THE GRID.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Now i know where all the hot air is coming from.

I'm not worried. Or feeling the least bit guilty.

My carbon footprint will shrink dramatically once Bruce Power builds the four ACR-1000s they are planning for Alberta.

Thanks to your decision to shutdown your nuke plants and transfer some of that load to Garzeweiler, your carbon footprint is going up.