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My argument against materialism

PixyMisa said:
Several actual working physicists, for a start.


This subforum is Religion and Philosophy. If you want a good scientific discussion, this isn't really the place. Indeed, this really isn't the place.
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PixyMisa ... look into a mirror! If that is so, why do you want to keep discussing physics? Read your own physics questions! and ... also the many other posts on physics on this forum. How did they get there ... Pixy dust? You are wasting your time I will NOT answer your questions unless you show me the references I requested or write a paper and have it peer reviewed.
 
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PixyMisa said:
By observation.
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Through rose tinted glasses.

I was talking to my cat today and it occured to me that she has experienced lots of unknown unknowns becoming true after a while. It seems to me that it is the same for humans as cats for example it would not have occured to humans at a certain point in our past that the world was or wasn't flat. The fact that it was spherical was an unknown unknown.
 
kenkoskinen said:
I agree ... there's no need to continue this BS. I'm okay with that. I hope you agree it's a waste of time.
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There's no need for dafydd to answer the questions. For you, however, it is very different. That's why I asked them of you. That's why I keep asking you. That's why I'll ask you again:

What force is it that you think makes water incompressible?

What force is it that you think binds the atoms in water molecules together?

What force is it that you think generates the phenomenon known as surface tension?

And what force is it that you think counteracts gravity and prevents planets from collapsing under their own weight?

kenkoskinen said:
PixyMisa ... look into a mirror! If that is so, why do you want to keep discussing physics?
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Sheer masochism, I suspect.

Read your own physics questions! and ... also the many other posts on physics on this forum.
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Yes. And look at the responses - yours, for example. As I said:

If you want a good scientific discussion, this isn't really the place. Indeed, this really isn't the place.
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How did they get there ... Pixy dust? You are wasting your time I will NOT answer your questions unless you show me the references I requested or write a paper and have it peer reviewed.
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The references to a theory that exists only in your imagination?

Try this, again, only read it this time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_force#Electromagnetic_phenomena

With the exception of gravitation, electromagnetic phenomena as described by quantum electrodynamics (which includes as a limiting case classical electrodynamics) account for almost all physical phenomena observable to the unaided human senses, including light and other electromagnetic radiation, all of chemistry, most of mechanics (excepting gravitation), and of course magnetism and electricity.
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Now, please just stop dodging and answer the questions.
 
PixyMisa said:
So you keep asserting, though not a shred of evidence nor logic has been provided to support this.
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Look in the mirror and consider if what you see is actually a pure thought machine, unbiased and objective. Capable of clearly assessing all avenues of thought regarding our existence and arriving at a balanced assessment of the nature and reality of existence.

Or are you looking at a mammal rather like my cat with lots of built in anthropocentric biases, tainted with ego and emotional baggage. Evolved to survive in a forest, using all the psychology of tribal behavior to accomplish this.
 
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PixyMisa said:
Thanks punshhh. While incoherent, that was at least amusing. :D
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Its not surprising as materialists are not interested in enquiring into what anything is or why or how it exists.

This is an unknown unknown from your position.
 
kenkoskinen said:
Why don't you answer her questions, and put her out of her misery? Why does it have to be me?

I still haven't seen your link to your music channel. What do you have to hide?

I hope you get over your obsession with my website. Maybe you surfed there more than once and lost your 5 minutes?

If there are woos, there must be boos. It's clear which one you are!
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I did some research and discovered the answers. If you are such a hot shot scientist it should be no bother to you to answer them,it's all basic stuff. I don't think that it's right to advertize personal sites or blogs here. I don't have your need for self aggrandisement. Your website looks like bilge to me. Win a Nobel prize and prove me wrong.
 
punshhh said:
Its not surprising as materialists are not interested in enquiring into what anything is or why or how it exists.

This is an unknown unknown from your position.
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Is this unkown unknown on this or the other side of the event horizon of the formless? You don't even know what you are trying to explain,do you? Why do you think that things exist? You only criticise but never answer,all we get is more gibberish. What does "the event horizon of the formless" mean? Are you ready to admit that it has no meaning?
 
punshhh said:
Its not surprising as materialists are not interested in enquiring into what anything is or why or how it exists.

This is an unknown unknown from your position.
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Counterpoint: The entire history of science.
 
punshhh said:
This is a usefull concept, as actually infinite is inconceivable to us. But nearly infinite may help to develop many theories.
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There you go again,another vague,meaningless allusion. What theories? How big does something have to be to be nearly infinite? Infinity minus however much you like equals infinity. Please get an education and then come back for some meaningful discussion.
 
dlorde said:
Have you forgotten that unbounded does not mean infinite?
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I am aware of this claim, I don't accept it regarding anything which exists, only in theory. This does not mean there are not an infinite variation and quantity of things in an unbounded universe, it is irrelevant to this point.
 
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punshhh said:
Its not surprising as materialists are not interested in enquiring into what anything is or why or how it exists.

This is an unknown unknown from your position.
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It has nothing to do with materialism. It has to do with the limitations of the kinds of things we can shove into our heads and accuse of being "true".

Feynman explains it partially here:
 
punshhh said:
I am refering to the materialism which has been presented to me on this forum.
I am not refering to scientists in general.
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So, by 'materialists', you meant 'this specific group of materialists who have been arguing with me'?

If infinity is inconceivable, why can we discuss it?
 
PixyMisa said:
There's no need for dafydd to answer the questions. For you, however, it is very different.
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Please explain why it is very different. You could simply forego the silly questions part and write the conclusions that you are aiming at. Why do I have to participate in a process that I think is nonsense? Who are you to tell me what I should do?

Well ... I have to admit, it's all very funny. I guess I like clowns, comedians and other jokers. PixieMisa ... it seems that for some reason you need/want me to do something ... but I really don't want/need you do to do anything. NO means NO! What part of that don't you understand? You are wasting your time ... go fishing somewhere else. I will NOT play your game, even if the other boos/wolves start barking/growling! BIG DEAL!
 
kenkoskinen said:
Please explain why it is very different. You could simply forego the silly questions part and write the conclusions that you are aiming at. Why do I have to participate in a process that I think is nonsense? Who are you to tell me what I should do?

Well ... I have to admit, it's all very funny. I guess I like clowns, comedians and other jokers. PixieMisa ... it seems that for some reason you need/want me to do something ... but I really don't want/need you do to do anything. NO means NO! What part of that don't you understand? You are wasting your time ... go fishing somewhere else. I will NOT play your game, even if the other boos/wolves start barking/growling! BIG DEAL!
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I know you like clowns,you have a comedy website and a false beard.
 
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