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certainly not stated, but the idf does do a great job of killing palestinian women and children and passing it off as 'self defense'.

If you hide in a school and start shooting me, my choices are either fire on the school knowing I might kill some children, or let you keep shooting without stopping you.

Personally, I'd go for A, but that's just me.


Hell, I have some serious issues with the Israeli state and it's government, I don't like the way it goes about things and it's most certainly done some pretty unpleasant stuff, but the fact is they are and always have been under attack since the state was founded. You can argue all day about whether the state should even exist where and how it does, but in the world in which we all live, it is there. Israel is a reality and Israel will always come under attack by some groups of Arabs in the area. The point is not "It's their fault for being there, they brought it on themselves" but "Ok, so it's there and under attack, how do we stop that?".

In my personal opinion, it requires both an open hand and a mailed fist approach. An open hand to the Palestinian people, a shutdown of illegal Israeli settlements, land and trade agreements and a final plan on what to do with the contested land. A mailed fist to drive out the scum-sucking sons of bitches who hide in schools, launch quassam rockets and fire illegally purchased machine guns and broadcast anti-semetic genocidal propoganda 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Is Israel always right? No, of course not. It's a state of human beings, some of whom happen to be colossal asshats, but to be frank on balance? Any piece of slime who cares so little for the people he's "defending" to use women and children as human shields, or worse, as soldiers deserves way more contempt than an army forced to confront said slime.
 
certainly not stated, but the idf does do a great job of killing palestinian women and children and passing it off as 'self defense'.
Evidence? You could simply present the number of Palestinian women and children the IDF has killed claiming self-defense, vs. the capabilities of the IDF to kill Palestinian women and children. Then you might want to revisit your claim that they do a "great job" of that.
 
certainly not stated, but the idf does do a great job of killing palestinian women and children and passing it off as 'self defense'.

You supported Yasser Arafat. His goons killed women and children in Israel and raped and murdered thousands in Lebanon. What do you have to say about that?
 
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You supported Yasser Arafat. His goons killed women and children in Israel and raped and murdered thousands in Lebanon. What do you have to say about that?

what do you have to say about the thousands of children killed by Israel over the years?

collateral damage huh?

mess with the bull..you get the horns?
 
what do you have to say about the thousands of children killed by Israel over the years?

collateral damage huh?

mess with the bull..you get the horns?

More like constantly attack the bull from behind a shield of schoolchildren, when the bull hits back, a few kids will get killed.
 
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what do you have to say about the thousands of children killed by Israel over the years?

collateral damage huh?

mess with the bull..you get the horns?

Yes, collateral damage. Equivalence to PLO rape and murder denied.
 
So do you have a way to totally remove collateral damage?
There's actually people here who think the IDF can just send in a few commandos to waltz into Lebanon, Gaza, wherever, and simply arrest wanted terrorists and then take them to Israel for trial.

I kid you not.
 
What an embarrassing derail.

Bikerdruid: Nothing to say of the passages of the Quran I gave you? There are many many many passages in the Quran about how the Jews should be treated and Hamas takes these seriously. Nothing to say?
 
There are many many many passages in the Quran about how the Jews should be treated and Hamas takes these seriously. Nothing to say?

and what about the many many many many many many passages in the Quran that say the Jews should be treated fairly?
 
and what about the many many many many many many passages in the Quran that say the Jews should be treated fairly?

And instead of actually looking in his Quran and finding evidence to support his claim, he puts it on me.

Fair enough.

Found one.

2:113 And the Jews say the Christians follow nothing (true), and the Christians say the Jews follow nothing (true); yet both are readers of the Scripture. Even thus speak those who know not. Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that wherein they differ.

Now if you want, you can find one that supports your claim as well.
 
2:113 And the Jews say the Christians follow nothing (true), and the Christians say the Jews follow nothing (true); yet both are readers of the Scripture. Even thus speak those who know not. Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that wherein they differ.

err...this is bad.....how exactly?

:confused:

you know, I'm almost 100% convinced you know very well that there are passages in the Koran that say positive things about the Jews. I'm right aren't I?
 
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