Fundraiser for women's shelter turns into teabagger hate parade

[JihadJane]

The response from the ICNA is far more civil than these animals deserve.

They're human beings, actually, just like you.

Israel is an apartheid state.

Is this not true?

 

[NWO Sentryman]

Israel Apartheid Week, Aren't they the bunch that scream Israel force Palestinians to march across minefields and work them to death as slave labour* or some other crap?

*I'm referring to the Israel/Nazi Germany comparisons.
ETA: expanding on the asterisk: In effect, anyone who compares Israel to Nazi Germany is saying that Israel is regularly forcing Palestinian Villages to march across minefields, and is takin away much of their populaiton as slave labour.

 

[eeyore1954]

For some reason, the video clip on Salon is now identified as private.

Is somebody powerful ashamed of being seen looking like a pile of dog poo?

The article says it was compiled by CARE so I doubt if that is the reason.

 

[eeyore1954]

And? This fundraiser was not about Hezbollah, it was about taking care of people within the community. For this, these people had hateful slurs shouted at them, had their children frightened, were denounced as evil, and had their lives threatened.

The response from the ICNA is far more civil than these animals deserve.

If (A big if. I have no knowledge of whether or not it is true) these speakers are that controversial why didn't they choose people more approriate. Either way certain things should not be said at protests by reasonable people.

 

[leftysergeant]

It doesn't matter.

This is a true statement, even if not for the reason you intrended.

Whatever the controversial Muslsim figures were doing there,the teatards were being barbaric without excuse.

 

[A'isha]

I don't know everything that happened there, and some of what I do know I don't support, but you can expect serious criticism if you sponsor an advocate of Hezbollah. I would expect a rally sponsoring an advocate of Hezbollah to be protested in the same way I would expect a rally sponsoring a speaker advocating al-Qaeda or Nazism to protested.

Yep, no one should criticize this guy and organizations who promote him:

"Malik Ali is a Bay Area Islamic activist who spoke at "Israeli Apartheid Week" at UC Irvine in 2010. There he said he supports Hezbollah, which the CIA labels a terrorist group."

Can you please explain to me how shouts and chants of "Muhammed was a pervert, Muhammed was a fraud. Muhammed was a false prophet, " "you beat your wife and rape your children," "go back home," and "USA! USA!" are criticisms of Hezbollah and/or Malik Ali's statements?

 

[Travis]

I don't know....maybe they could have just left a fundraiser for a woman's shelter alone? I mean the crazy protesters not the speakers that were trying to raise money for this worthy cause.

 

[thaiboxerken]

So if a fan of Nazism spoke at a rally for the Republican Party you wouldn't have an issue with the Republican Party having a pro-Nazi speak for them because the rally was for Republicans and not Nazis?

Sorry, but I don't feel the same.

Stop, you protested CPAC?

 

[NWO Sentryman]

Stop, you protested CPAC?

Source please that Neo-nazis were allowed to speak at CPAC.

 

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

Is this not true?

No, it requires a loose definition of "apartheid" and no understanding of Israel at all.

 

[bookitty]

If (A big if. I have no knowledge of whether or not it is true) these speakers are that controversial why didn't they choose people more approriate. Either way certain things should not be said at protests by reasonable people.

Siraj Wahhaj was an appropriate speaker. From Wiki:
Siraj is an extremely prolific speaker in America. He makes many appearances at major North American Muslim conventions, and numerous forums and lectures in New England. His audio and video lectures are also popular in America's Muslim community. He is known to encourage Muslims to be God-fearing, enjoining good and forbid evil, practice regular charity, stay away from drugs, abstain from pre-marital relations, and other issues as well. He has also appeared on several national television talk shows and has had interviews with several media outlets.

In 1991 Siraj offered an invocation (opening prayer) to the United States House of Representatives. He was the first Muslim to do so.

Malik Ali is a controversial speaker. Sort of a Rush Limbaugh for extreme Muslim views. It's impossible to say why he was invited. He has been speaking at many events in Southern California over the last few years and has name recognition. These are the sorts of people who get invited to fundraisers, not because of their views but because people might pay $25 to hear them. Or, his extreme views have another side, that of wanting the best for his people, including the poor.

We do know that the theme of the evening "Our Responsibility towards Our Neighbors: An Islamic Perspective.” was clearly stated on both the invitations and the press release. Both of the speakers discussed community and charity as planned.

 

[bookitty]

They're human beings, actually, just like you.

Right now, as the individual protesters sit in their homes or at their desks, they are human beings. Capable of reason and dialog. As a group they were a mob of animals.

 

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

Whatever the controversial Muslsim figures were doing there,the teatards were being barbaric without excuse.

Absolutely nothing excuses the behavior of the protesters, it was utterly savage and uncalled for. And while I can't speak about Wahhaj, he was never charged with a crime afterall, I don't think anyone should be willing to just write Malik Ali off as simply "controversial". Watch the youtube links I provided to some of his speeches, he openly supports terrorist organizations and jihad, he views terrorism as an acceptable means of combating harmful Israeli policies (real or imagined), and didn't bat an eye at the kidnapping of IDF soldiers or the murder of Israeli civilians.

Whatever your views, Malik Ali is a man who should be repudiated and shunned at every opportunity. People like Malik Ali, as well as the methods they espouse, are counter-productive to the advancement of Islamic peoples in the western world.

Sort of a Rush Limbaugh for extreme Muslim views.

I don't think that's an accurate comparison. Has Rush ever advocated for terrorism against a specific group of people? If he has, conservatives are in worse shape than I thought...

 

[bookitty]

I don't think that's an accurate comparison. Has Rush ever advocated for terrorism against a specific group of people? If he has, conservatives are in worse shape than I thought...

“I tell people don’t kill all the liberals, leave enough around so we can have two on every campus; living fossils, so we will never forget what these people stood for.”

— Rush Limbaugh

That was the first result in a google search, there are more.

 

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

I'm up for protesting outside of his radio station then. Granted, it might help if I had a little context here. If it's a joke it's ghoulish, but still not quite the same as "hey, you know who we should kill? Those Jews. And you know who did 9/11? The Jews."

 

[bookitty]

I'm up for protesting outside of his radio station then. Granted, it might help if I had a little context here. If it's a joke it's ghoulish, but still not quite the same as "hey, you know who we should kill? Those Jews. And you know who did 9/11? The Jews."

I am not up for protesting Rush. I loathe the man and his game of frothing up the far right but it's entertainment. Although there will always be a very few people who hear "Rush says killing liberals is good!" the majority of his fans just hear a mean joke about liberals. Humans like a bit of extremism in their distractions.

If Limbaugh (or any extremist conservative) were to speak at a fundraiser, it would be ridiculous to believe that every member of the audience was in full agreement with all of their views. There would be a good portion who came for the freakshow, a few who didn't realize how far gone the speaker was, and a few who disagreed completely but came because they thought the cause worthwhile.

The politicians and the protest organizers painted this fundraiser as some sort of pro-Hezbollah gathering in an extremely cynical attempt to harness the bigotry in their community. It worked.

 

[Dancing David]

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/03/03/orange_county_muslim_protest/index.html

It's like all the anti-Islam trolls left their computers and went outside together. Really, what's the fun of shouting "U S A" and "Go HOME!" if you can't scare a few kids, right? <---sarcasm, btw.

Highlights: References to The Constitution. You know, the one that has that silly line about "prohibiting the free exercise" of religion. Various teabag politicians patting their lapdogs on the head and in the case of an over-riled council woman, making some not so subtle death threats.

 

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

I am not up for protesting Rush. I loathe the man and his game of frothing up the far right but it's entertainment. Although there will always be a very few people who hear "Rush says killing liberals is good!" the majority of his fans just hear a mean joke about liberals. Humans like a bit of extremism in their distractions.

On that we can agree.

If Limbaugh (or any extremist conservative) were to speak at a fundraiser, it would be ridiculous to believe that every member of the audience was in full agreement with all of their views.There would be a good portion who came for the freakshow, a few who didn't realize how far gone the speaker was, and a few who disagreed completely but came because they thought the cause worthwhile.

Read the rest of my posts on this subject, I'm neither defending the protesters nor condemning the people who showed up. I don't expect everyone in the crowd to agree with Malik Ali or to even know who he is. My point, however, is that he shouldn't be written off as merely "controversial", the event's organizers should be condemned for either A) not doing their research on the man or B) inviting him anyway. Malik Ali should be as far away from legitimate causes as possible, we ought to ostracize and deride someone with views like him.

The politicians and the protest organizers painted this fundraiser as some sort of pro-Hezbollah gathering in an extremely cynical attempt to harness the bigotry in their community. It worked.

And I find it absolutely despicable.

 

[bookitty]

On that we can agree.



Read the rest of my posts on this subject, I'm neither defending the protesters nor condemning the people who showed up. I don't expect everyone in the crowd to agree with Malik Ali or to even know who he is. My point, however, is that he shouldn't be written off as merely "controversial", the event's organizers should be condemned for either A) not doing their research on the man or B) inviting him anyway. Malik Ali should be as far away from legitimate causes as possible, we ought to ostracize and deride someone with views like him.

Ugh! This one is so tough. If I could wave a magic wand and reduce hyperbole, radicalism and extremists views, I would want to but I probably wouldn't. They are not useful, not productive, create unnecessary rifts among parties and incite bigotry. But where do you draw the line? When is your uplifting speech someone else's riot? Drama, lines in the sand, firebrands, and distortion are all tools of human communication.

I don't understand Malik Ali views. I find them a bit sickening. I don't understand why he was there, either. All I know is that he did not discuss anything controversial. He spoke of community. Which means that he was invested enough in what the ICNA was doing to leave his favorite topics behind. That is the start of real dialog, that is the beginning of listening instead of yelling. Is it better to shut him up if you can get him to change the subject instead?

 

[Darth Rotor]

Ah, Orange County. Yet again, I'm vaguely ashamed to live here.

I'd say you are ashamed for the wrong reasons. (Full disclosure, I lived in San Diego County for a few years, and never understood why anyone would live where the air they breathed was brown or beige).

Orange County isn't inherently more or less stupid than anywhere else.

Let the silly identify themselves. It lets you know who they are, so you can plan accordingly.