Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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Fair enough, ô great king.
But it has long been that I stopped caring one wit about the DOC and gave up trying to have him understand or even care my objections. I now follow this thread to thirstily gulp at the fountain of knowledge of some of the other posters, from time to time posting my humble participation merely at an attempt to give back a little at the enlightening posters.
Such resignation made me free and happier proving, maybe ironically, the superior practicality of Siddhārtha's teachings over that of the Jewish upstart.

So, far from being caught out in the thread, I float, unfettered, free to aim my vengeful guano at some particularly egregious ********e.
 
You give much, Simon, and it's greatly appreciated. Why, just now, you've reminded me of this:


"One's own free and unfettered volition, one's own caprice, however wild, one's own fancy, inflamed sometimes to the point of madness - that is the one best and greatest good, which is never taken into consideration because it cannot fit into any classification and the omission of which sends all systems and theories to the devil."

- Fyodor Dostoyevsky​
 
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Akhenaten said:
You give much, Simon, and it's greatly appreciated. Why, just now, you've reminded me of this:


"One's own free and unfettered volition, one's own caprice, however wild, one's own fancy, inflamed sometimes to the point of madness - that is the one best and greatest good, which is never taken into consideration because it cannot fit into any classification and the omission of which sends all systems and theories to the devil."

- Fyodor Dostoyevsky​
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That's pretty but how many posts did he make? I am not sure I can take him seriously...
 
DOC said:
We've already discussed this. I have never seen an alleged discrepancy in the Gospels that can't logically be explained
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Sideroxylon said:
Given that non falsifiability is not a virtue, I wonder what kind of discrepancy you would find problematic. I get the feeling the you could "logically" explain any problem that might be raised.
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Actually I'd be more worried if there was "no" seeming discripancies (indicating possible collusion) in the 4 Gospels written by 4 seperate writers (2 of which were not apostles) at 4 different times, and probably different places, concerning Christ's 3 year long ministry and other details of his life.

And as I've said before, don't you think the bishops who devoted their lives to Christianity knew there was some seeming discrepencies, and yet they chose to include all 4 gospels in the official cannon. If they wanted no dicrepencies they could have just chosen one official gospel and yet they didn't. And that's why we have a more fuller discription of Christ's life and his teachings.

It's like if you wanted to get a true picture of Bob's life it would be better to read a description of Bob from his mother, his high school best friend, his aunt, and his baseball coach, even if there is some discrepencies then to get a description of him from just his mother. A descrepency might be his mother stated he dated 2 girls in high school, while his best friend says he went with 3 woman. His baseball coach might say Bob played 3 team sports while in school while his best friend says he played 4. Even with those seeming discrepancies (which could have logical explanations) I still believe it is better to read all the accounts and have some seeming discrepancies then just read his mother's account and have no seeming descrepancies.
 
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DOC said:
DOC: We've already discussed this. I have never seen an alleged discrepancy in the Gospels that can't logically be explained

Actually I'd be more worried if there was "no" seeming discripancies (indicating possible collusion) in the 4 Gospels written by 4 seperate writers (2 of which were not apostles) at 4 different times, and probably different places, concerning Christ's 3 year long ministry and other details of his life.

And as I've said before, don't you think the bishops who devoted their lives to Christianity knew there was some seeming discrepencies, and yet they chose to include all 4 gospels in the official cannon. If they wanted no dicrepencies they could have just chosen one official gospel and yet they didn't. And that's why we have a more fuller discription of Christ's life and his teachings.

It's like if you wanted to get a true picture of Bob's life it would be better to read a description of Bob from his mother, his high school best friend, his aunt, and his baseball coach, even if there is some discrepencies then to get a description of him from just his mother. A descrepency might be his mother stated he dated 2 girls in high school, while his best friend says he went with 3 woman. His baseball coach might say Bob played 3 team sports while in school while his best friend says he played 4. Even with those seeming discrepancies (which could have logical explanations) I still believe it is better to read all the accounts and have some seeming discrepancies than just read his mother's account and have no seeming descrepancies.
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Glad you accept the bible is riddled with inconsistencies and discrepancies and that the accounts bear little resemblance to reality.
 
Lothian said:
Glad you accept the bible is riddled with inconsistencies and discrepancies and that the accounts bear little resemblance to reality.
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As I've said I've never seen one alleged Gospel discrepancy that can't be explained. What's the worst Gospel discrepancy in your opinion?
 
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Lothian said:
The discrepancy between the stories in the New testament and evidence for them.
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Be specific, what's the worst single Gospel verse in your opinion that has a discrepancy in another Gospel?
 
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DOC said:
Be specific, what's the worst single Gospel verse in your opinion that has a discrepancy in another Gospel?
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The stories regarding the tomb are insanely inconsistent. In order to get them to agree, one must think that the situation at the tomb was like a benny hill skit. Yakkity sax and all.
 
DOC said:
Be specific, what's the worst single Gospel verse in your opinion that has a discrepancy in another Gospel?
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I have told you that the discrepancy with the truth is the worst fault, followed by the discrepancy with moral behaviour.

Whether one made up story matches another made up story is off less importance but from the top of my head, what were Jesus's last words?
 
DOC said:
And as I've said before, don't you think the bishops who devoted their lives to Christianity knew there was some seeming discrepencies, and yet they chose to include all 4 gospels in the official cannon.
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They should have been fired.
 
DOC said:
Be specific, what's the worst single Gospel verse in your opinion that has a discrepancy in another Gospel?
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Stop trying to weasel out of things DOC.

The rather obvious discrepancies that you need to address aren't the nit-picky ones that exist between different versions of the silly bloody fairytale, but the ones that exist between the basic story that all of them tell and REALITY ITSELF.

For instance, dead people stay that way, DOC. Always.

Speaking of which, how's your research on Simon the Zealot going?

And while we're at it, since when have we been limited to looking only at discrepancies in the gospels? I'm looking forward to a discussion of MY favourite book.
 
DOC said:
And as I've said before, don't you think the bishops who devoted their lives to Christianity knew there was some seeming discrepencies, and yet they chose to include all 4 gospels in the official cannon.
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I think they probably picked the four that they hoped they might be most likely to get away with passing off as True Stories™.
 
DOC said:
It's like if you wanted to get a true picture of Bob's life it would be better to read a description of Bob from his mother, his high school best friend, his aunt, and his baseball coach, even if there is some discrepencies then to get a description of him from just his mother. A descrepency might be his mother stated he dated 2 girls in high school, while his best friend says he went with 3 woman. His baseball coach might say Bob played 3 team sports while in school while his best friend says he played 4. Even with those seeming discrepancies (which could have logical explanations) I still believe it is better to read all the accounts and have some seeming discrepancies then just read his mother's account and have no seeming descrepancies.
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What would you think if all of these people wrote different stories about where, when and how Bob died?
 
DOC said:
Actually I'd be more worried if there was "no" seeming discripancies (indicating possible collusion) in the 4 Gospels written by 4 seperate writers (2 of which were not apostles) at 4 different times, and probably different places, concerning Christ's 3 year long ministry and other details of his life.
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my bolding

The only bit of this that you've even come close to providing evidence for is that there are, in fact, four gospels, and even that's subject to dispute if one is unwilling to accept a plagiarised copy as a separate book.
 
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