The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

Whoever is coaching achimspok in Principles of Flight desperately needs a refresher.
I've never seen so much codswallop in 911 kook claims.
As a bye he reminds me of some-one I nicknamed Cloddumbo about 6-7 years ago who had the same crazy idea about the cable connections onto the control cables.
The fact that the system uses hydraulics eluded him
 
I guess you don't understand that I miss the expectable signs of a simple, crude, effective plot.
It wasn't simple at all. It required years of learning, years of planning, lots of money, lots of helpful "coincidences", risked that at least one out of 19 would talk, risked the airplanes in the final seconds, required a failing Air Force and hit near to perfection.
...crosswind landing at 250KIAS above Vmo just 8m off.
That was intentional instead of the byproduct of a simple, crude, effective plot. And I don't like the concept of pure luck in the context of a terror attack.
It was a highly sophisticated plot requiering immense effort and high risk, executed near to perfection. Besides the tragedy, the perfection is the second most horrible part of it.

The rests is fallacious assumption, downplay, classification and faked evidence.

Follow the money!

It's going in the opposite direction to you.
 
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Follow the money!
Living expenses for suicide dolts who are smarter than 911 truth - not a big issue.
Flight training, thousands of dollars, wasted on suicide pilots who never got good at flying.
Box cutters - $0.98, at Lowes.
Finding 19 idiots, priceless.

Wow, look at all the money spent. Wow. Just Wow.

Flight training, the best place to learn to fly is the USA - many inept want to be pilots come to the USA to learn they can't fly. The rich ones keep trying. No flags here before 911.

Box cutters and small knives, big expense, the FBI should have caught this big expense.

You are following woo, not the money; precise pilots would have hit the WTC dead center or where they intended, but precise pilot would not be suicide pilots, so UBL's buddies were not precise, they were poor pilots who could not afford the money to buy their own 140 million dollar kinetic energy weapons.
 
That is ironic, 19 would talk, but the master NWO plan with thousands of people in on it would not talk.

Can someone explain to the 911 truth dolts why a passport or small items can survive big kinetic energy events? That has to be one of the dumbest things 911 truth clings to. That things can't survive impacts.
 
Can someone explain to the 911 truth dolts why a passport or small items can survive big kinetic energy events?

Yep. They're low-density and flexible. Let's hope the dolts can comprehend this.

eta: I mean the items are low-density. The truthers not so much.
 
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You missed the point entirely, achimspok.
My question was not about the motivation, it was about the choice of attack. Why use a plan that would entail a latively large number of conspirators and leave considerable evidence breehind, dramatically increasing the chances for failure due to exposure?
Let’s assume (a big assumption) that everything in your response to me was the motivation for the invasion of Afghanistan/Iraq. The evil Bush Administration now needs a horrific attack against the US to initiate their devious plan. Why blow up half a dozen buildings, including the Pentagon (which would entail losing many people whose skills could prove invaluable in the furtherance of said nefarious scheme) without giving thought to the consequences of exposure, when there are simpler, more secure methods of achieving the same goal?

Such as a chemical weapons attack that could be blamed on a joint Al Qaeda/ Saddam operation, killing hundreds (perhaps thousands) of innocent civilians. No loss of capital resources (the 9/11 attacks cost the US a helluva lot of money), no loss of potentially critical personnel, no evidence left behind which could potentially expose the plot, no co-conspirators that might someday confess, and yet it would have the same impact on the US population.
An attack of this type would be simple, and airtight from the perspective of OPSEC.

A very small team of agents take several canisters of VX with the identical chemical signature of that manufactured by Saddam (perhaps even actual canisters captured during DS/DS) , and detonate them on a chilly, windy morning in Times Square during the Morning Show. Huge crowds, perfect weather conditions, TV cameras rolling as Katie Couric introduces the latest heart throb boy band.
Twenty million people watch Katie’s sweet little face melt as the crowd ( boy band included) gasp their last horrified breath.
The subsequent investigation reveals that the gas bombs were planted by a group of Iraqi students who are revealed to have ties with both Saddam and Al Qaeda. When their house in Long Island is raided all are found dead of the same chemical poison ( an accidental release of unused VX after the bombs were planted). Computers found in the home , along with letters, journals, etc., definitively link the terrorists to OBL/SH.

The students are actually dupes acting (unwittingly) on a false flag operation handled by the conspirators.
The actual conspirators are out of the country as soon as the mission objective is complete. A second team of conspirators, completely unaware of the mission of the first team, takes out the original team quietly and securely. Mission security is now assured.
No one left alive can “blow the whistle”. The second team, even if they someday encounter a crisis of conscience, can only say they killed someone on behalf of the government ( and they might not even know that much, if outside contractors are used).

You have your casus belli. Cheap, just as effective, and from the viewpoint of OPSEC, airtight.

On the one hand you seem to feel that the “gubmint” is composed of brilliant criminal masterminds, yet on the other those same evil geniuses are unable to think through a conspiracy of this magnitude and decide to engage in a Rube Goldberg operation without considering other options that are more secure and just as effective.

Just think what could happen if the shadowy “powers that be” decided to hire an elderly, retired bail bondsman with little secondary education and a penchant for drinking too much Two Buck Chuck on Saturday night, to run their dastardly deeds department.
Hey, Gnomes of Zurich! I’m available Monday through Friday ( I need Sundays off to nurse my hangovers).
Scary, ain’t it?

You missed the poit too. You have to ask the very same questions for the terrorists.
1) you don't need a large group of conspirators. You need intelligence and probably double agents. You need some willful patsies and a trail of "evidence".
2) a chemical attack leaves massive evidence. Just follow the Anthrax. You can exactly determine the origin of those weapons.
3) now we have Saudi students who are revealed to have ties with Al Qaeda.
4) We indeed found Computers in the homes and ISI secure houses, along with letters, journals, flight manuals, testaments, faked passports, manipulated videos etc., allegedly link the terrorists to OBL/SH.
...and we have neighbors and girlfriends and flight instructors with a pretty different story.
5) the entire rest of your story fits well except, if you manage to give your students the proper ticket then you later don't need to kill them.

One way could be to train them as opium smugglers for years. They would expect to fly crop dusters over the afghan border. Maybe they would believe to play on both sides and to make much money in the near future. Meanwhile you could fake passports and testaments.

Now vice versa: you are a group of students without ties to intelligence and loads of money. You just want to "kill Americans". As you described, there are lots of possibilities to do it quick and cheap. Just the mind blowing images are not that iconographic.
 
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Can someone explain to the 911 truth dolts why a passport or small items can survive big kinetic energy events? That has to be one of the dumbest things 911 truth clings to. That things can't survive impacts.

I'll give it a try.

achimspok Please watch this;

 
The attack was a 75% success. That's perfection? :confused:


Edit: BTW, planning, training, and financing don't make a simple, crude plot complex--they make it effective.
The missing 25% are very interesting indeed. I wish I could listen to the Voice recorder. Do you think they never mentioned their goal in the cockpit if they had one? Would the discuss their chances to reach that goal?
 
The missing 25% are very interesting indeed. I wish I could listen to the Voice recorder. Do you think they never mentioned their goal in the cockpit if they had one? Would the discuss their chances to reach that goal?

what? They never got a chance to discuss anything, the Passengers took action, the terrorist failed. Gee, what do they say, gee whiz dolt terrorist buddy, we will not be killing Congress today, bad news, the surprise wore off they discovered we are idiots almost as dumb as 911 truth will be. Golly, no Congress today. (BTW, the White House is too hard to target for morons like the terrorists you defend with some moronic delsuiosn you can't define or defend.)

Why would they mention a goal? What do murderers do? Their chance of reaching the goal was zero, the Passengers on flight 93 figured out 911 in minutes, a goal you have failed to accomplish given over 9 years.

Never thought idiot 911 truth moron evidence would debunk other failed claims not able to be clarified because they are based on nonsense. But it happens.

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Your terrorist buddies messed up 93, and they failed to have the salad minutes to yak up their target. About the time your buddies you apologize for finished killing crew members, their botched late takeover was over. Terrorist took action, Flight 93 Passengers took action, 911 truth lies and makes up moronic delusions, not well defined delusions.

Honey, our goal today is to drive to the store, why am I talking about our goal in the car? To get in on the CVR! To avoid moronic CTs being made up about our trip to the store, to buy food, and go to the store. So honey, we need to talk about our goal, driving to the store. Yes, I know we discussed this before we got in the car, we talked about it for years, but we better make worthless chit chat to keep paranoid conspiracy theorists from thinking our car was remote controlled to the store... etc, and so on. Golly gee, whiz... holy CT - what was our goal again... what? huh? r u sure?
 
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I'll give it a try.

achimspok Please watch this;


A little fakery involved? What's the image with the blue stuff infront of the impacting tail? Is it compressable air a little faster than the debris?
Your suggested popcorn effect due to the enclosed air is nonsense. Even the airframe was to fast to decelerate in any significant way during entering the building. That's No Planer nonsense, sorry.
The oxygen tank will explode and the superheated aluminum dust will flash like the flash powder used by photographers back in 1900.
Right, the engine of UA175 came from the south went through the building and shot out on the other side at 54.15 m/s. It lost 200m/s speed.
Lots of windows and paper was blown out of the towers but...
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Do you see that? It's seconds after the impact.
No paper in the north. No paper in the opposite direction.
You want to tell me that a passport from the cockpit bounced back and fell down near Vesey St?
Well, that's funny. ...or deliberate BS.

This is what your air will do:
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It will blow the passport into the tower, the oxygen would made ash out of it in a fraction of a second, the following airplane as a fast moving debris cloud would scratch and push that passport, a cloud of kerosene droplets will follow and explode.

Now:
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no scratch, no oxygen, no kink, no kerosene...

How in hell accelerated that passport aginst the airplane and the wind without touching it? That is the biggest nonsense I ever heard.
 
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what? They never got a chance to discuss anything, the Passengers took action, the terrorist failed. Gee, what do they say, gee whiz dolt terrorist buddy, we will not be killing Congress today, bad news, the surprise wore off they discovered we are idiots almost as dumb as 911 truth will be. Golly, no Congress today. (BTW, the White House is too hard to target for morons like the terrorists you defend with some moronic delsuiosn you can't define or defend.)

Why would they mention a goal? What do murderers do? Their chance of reaching the goal was zero, the Passengers on flight 93 figured out 911 in minutes, a goal you have failed to accomplish given over 9 years.

Never thought idiot 911 truth moron evidence would debunk other failed claims not able to be clarified because they are based on nonsense. But it happens.

11timeline.jpg

Your terrorist buddies messed up 93, and they failed to have the salad minutes to yak up their target. About the time your buddies you apologize for finished killing crew members, their botched late takeover was over. Terrorist took action, Flight 93 Passengers took action, 911 truth lies and makes up moronic delusions, not well defined delusions.

Looks like they were more than 25 min in the cockpit. What did they say?
"Allah Allah..."?

"My terrorist buddies"? Your waterboarding buddies put a pretzel in your head. I bet you figured in seconds that Saddam throw the babies out of the incubators. ...intelligent as a bread.
 
Several pages from an astronauts diary survived the destruction of the space shuttle Columbia in 2003:

Sharon Brown was one of the many thousands of Israelis who gathered around their television sets back in January 2003 to watch the launch of the space shuttle Columbia which included in its crew the first Israeli astronaut, Ilan Ramon.

At the beginning of April that year, less than two months after the Columbia's tragic disintegration which killed all the crew members, the flight diary and notes of Ramon were found in a Texas field. The task of painstakingly restoring the heap of tattered paper, that had been exposed to rain and sun after hurtling 38 miles to Earth, fell to forensics expert Brown.

Pages included a list of topics Ramon planned to talk about during broadcasts from space, a carefully copied down text of the Sabbath kiddush, the blessing for wine, and notes about technical aspects of the flight. All together, 18 pages handwritten in Hebrew were recovered: Four sheets held Ramon's flight diary; six were technical classroom notes that had been made before launch; and eight were personal notes.

The recovery of the hijackers passport is not unprecedented or implausible.
 
Several pages from an astronauts diary survived the destruction of the space shuttle Columbia in 2003:



The recovery of the hijackers passport is not unprecedented or implausible.
No, but bouncing against wind and airplane is 100% unprecedented and implausible.

Btw, the Space Shuttle didn't impact a building and the diary wasn't found in the opposite direction, I guess. How many passports were found on the Pentagon lawn? Tha plane hit at an angle. Any passport had a much better chance to escape.
 
No, but bouncing against wind and airplane is 100% unprecedented and implausible.

You seem fixated on the idea that the passport was actually found in Vesey St. This is less than clear from my little survey of the evidence. For example this website reports a number of different official explanations.

Meanwhile it wouldn't be a strain for me to suppose the passport flew loose at impact, came to a halt (or near halt) and be blown backwards by the kerosene blast. And if it was in a cover, as many passports are, the lack of burn marks also doesn't surprise me at all.
 
No, but bouncing against wind and airplane is 100% unprecedented and implausible.

Btw, the Space Shuttle didn't impact a building and the diary wasn't found in the opposite direction, I guess. How many passports were found on the Pentagon lawn? Tha plane hit at an angle. Any passport had a much better chance to escape.

This is nothing but simple incredulity. It has no place in your "investigation".
 

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