The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

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That plane neither steered at the tower...
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...nor was the path caused by a "drift".
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It was caused by the intention to hit perpendicular at max speed.

(Beachnut, do you see the positional failure in the pink curve at 4s? That's where you got your constructed g-nonsense. Finally I'm afraid i didn't gave you the latest version of these data. Well I did it 2 years ago. Nevermind. It doesn't matter. ;) ... a few meters more or less do not change any of the implications.)
 
The face is certainly photoshopped. The skin tone difference between the hands and the face is glaring, as is the size.

Secondly, the President almost ALWAYS has a podium with the Presidential seal on it. If it is an official anouncement, he has his podium with the Presidential seal on it.

... useful idiots ...
What was a photoshop of Ken Lay next to the President suppose to prove, achimspok?
 
The plane hit... It doesn't get more straight forward than that. I'm not sure what arguing about their pilot skills is going to accomplish considering they didn't need to be professionals to make a plane into a weapon. These 9/11 truthers have already proven themselves time and time again that they in denial about a simple fact: despite the misgivings of our government in a whole slew of things, groups full of jihadist radicals like al queda (sp?) still exist, and they've been using suicide attack strategies for years to kill foreigners. Not only that they show absolutely no regard for the lives of people who follow Islam, despite their preaching that they follow the teachings of Allah (which is a farce, considering they take a hyper radical interpretation of it).

You know, truthers really need to grasp reality before they start preaching that lecture to other people.
 
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Little addendum:

That plane neither steered at the tower...
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...nor was the path caused by a "drift".

It was caused by the intention to hit perpendicular at max speed.

(Beachnut, do you see the positional failure in the pink curve at 4s? That's where you got your constructed g-nonsense. Finally I'm afraid i didn't gave you the latest version of these data. Well I did it 2 years ago. Nevermind. It doesn't matter. ;) ... a few meters more or less do not change any of the implications.)
To afraid to give a straight in perspective. lol, even your data is a straight in approach, too bad you have no flying background.

Drift, oops, the path was caused by drift, you can't rule out drift because there was drift; double failure, bad data and zero knowledge on flying. Good job, you photo shows effects of drift and poor airmanship, if it is relatively correct, but your data is bad and you can't fix it.

He is using his 4.33g and -2g failed data to make up pretty pictures. Wow. Your data is big time wrong. Your failed data is showing, and now you have a fake flight path made up with failed data. Good job, even your data show what is a straight in approach, but you have no clue what flying is.

The final bank was a 10 mile wide turn. So?

You show the terrorist pilot being blow off course and he is correcting because he lacks experience to maintain a course with a crosswind. Good job, your 4.33g/-2g data shows an inexperience pilot who rolled into 38 degree of bank and did not pull the required g to make a 10 mile wide turn.

The terrorist was lined up 40 miles out. Your photo shows effects of your failed data and extreme zoom lens.

The terrorist was stuck with high speed because his descent angle was high. His high speed was a product of gravity. Atta in 11 was down low early and had to use engines to speed up. If you don't know it a Boeing jet loves 300 knots, at 3 degree of descent a Boeing jet should be able to glide at 300 knots, no engines. The Boeing jet is super clean, it can reach MACH with little effort, the 510 knots at impact is not an anomalies, and not impossible. If you start with the Vmo stuff, you can stuff it with me; I have flown over Vmo, and I know planes and crews who exceeded Vmo. The worse damage I have seen for flying over Vmo is lost skin under the wing, and a gear door was ripped off by the high pressure flying fast low. We would all be at risk if airliners fell apart when flying over Vmo.

WTC7 used for your failed 4.33/-2g data? lol, you have lost your BS edge, you are no in the Bigfoot years of 911 truth, total nonsense, technobabble claptrap analysis. What is next? Did you find the right data yet?

No inside job, just some bad data which you make up bad conclusions from; you can't explain what you think you discovered.
 
What was a photoshop of Ken Lay next to the President suppose to prove, achimspok?
Nothing special. Since you knew about the connection - and I knew about the connection - that image needs to prove nothing. I just found it on the internet at the stealthlesbian.blogspot. They also have images like this:
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But just because you know and I know and they know
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and they know
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I admit I didn't stare long enough at that image to see the manipulation but maybe I can indemnify for the commited sacrilege by that:
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or even that:
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It relativates a little bit the following statement...
Sometimes you have to lie for The TruthTM.
...since the photoshopped version of some original image shows some hidden truth instead of a lie.
It's not the same like fakes passports if you know what I mean.

So if you like to know more about the "truth" behind the photoshopped caricature you maybe like to read here
The Enron-Cheney-Taliban Connection?
or even here:
THE ENRON COLLAPSE - Memo details Cheney--Enron links
or even here:
Follow The Enron Money
 
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Do you know the meaning of the term "Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy"?

I guess, the name comes from a joke about a Texan who gave an alleged hijacker lots of names and birthdays, then paints a passport using correction fluid around the image of some unknown and claims to be a sharpshooter.
...or was it a joke about a Texan who waits until a convoi of 1000 cars is gone then fires some shots in the desert and claims Osama was there?
...or was it a joke about a Texan who argued that long about 3 difficult airplane strikes until the stunned flight teachers believe it was that easy that children can do it without sleep?
...or was it a joke about a Texan who took a perspective view to sell a tilt as slow onset of vertical movement due to buckling?
...or was it a joke about a Texan who needed years of simulated fuel loads and windows opening sequences until the right column was heated for hours at 1000°C and claims that's what happend in reality?
 
I guess, the name comes from a joke about a Texan who gave an alleged hijacker lots of names and birthdays, then paints a passport using correction fluid around the image of some unknown and claims to be a sharpshooter.
...or was it a joke about a Texan who waits until a convoi of 1000 cars is gone then fires some shots in the desert and claims Osama was there?
...or was it a joke about a Texan who argued that long about 3 difficult airplane strikes until the stunned flight teachers believe it was that easy that children can do it without sleep?
...or was it a joke about a Texan who took a perspective view to sell a tilt as slow onset of vertical movement due to buckling?
...or was it a joke about a Texan who needed years of simulated fuel loads and windows opening sequences until the right column was heated for hours at 1000°C and claims that's what happend in reality?
No,the joke is on you.
 
I guess, the name comes from a joke about a Texan who gave an alleged hijacker lots of names and birthdays, then paints a passport using correction fluid around the image of some unknown and claims to be a sharpshooter.
...or was it a joke about a Texan who waits until a convoi of 1000 cars is gone then fires some shots in the desert and claims Osama was there?
...or was it a joke about a Texan who argued that long about 3 difficult airplane strikes until the stunned flight teachers believe it was that easy that children can do it without sleep?
...or was it a joke about a Texan who took a perspective view to sell a tilt as slow onset of vertical movement due to buckling?
...or was it a joke about a Texan who needed years of simulated fuel loads and windows opening sequences until the right column was heated for hours at 1000°C and claims that's what happend in reality?
Actually it was a joke about a Texan who wasted a decade of his life meticulously compiling data and painstakingly rendering it in pretty graphics trying to find a smoking gun, but only being able to muster an argument from incredulity that rests on the fallacious assumption that every minute data point he collected was intentional instead of the byproduct of a simple, crude, effective plot.
 
To afraid to give a straight in perspective. lol, even your data is a straight in approach, too bad you have no flying background.
What the hell is a "straight in perspective". To bad you have no idea of the meaning of perspective. lol

Drift, oops, the path was caused by drift, you can't rule out drift because there was drift; double failure, bad data and zero knowledge on flying. Good job, you photo shows effects of drift and poor airmanship, if it is relatively correct, but your data is bad and you can't fix it.
Taxas Shooter?
I don't need to rule out drift because the drift do not account for the flight path. The drift you are allege to see requires a wind of 25m/s (12.5knots) to bow the path lateral and no wind in the world could account for the vertical component. Hence, it's not caused by drift. I'm right and you are wrong.
And since leveling in the very moment of impact is mot a sign of poor flying skill it is a sign of purpose. I'm right and you are wrong.
But that's just the mathematical part of your lie because if you have knowledge on flying then it is a lie.
As long as you have no crosshair on the windshield of a 767 you need to rely on what? Your eyes? The only thing that tells you the direction of your aiming is "perspective" or better the change of perspective over time.
You don't see the wind, do you? In other words, the wind would cause the airplane to fly a little sideways, the change of perspective would tell you that you do not fly straight ahead, you would turn your control wheel to reach the desired direction and finally the nose wouldn't point exactly towards your goal but the airplane would go that way.
Hence, you always would instinctively nullify the drift when flying by sight and hand.
Some electronical aiming that do not calculate wind direction and velocity would steer for some point in the meaning of coordinates. The effect of wind would still be small at high speed but the plane would drift - aim - drift - aim - drift ...
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In other words, as long as you are somewhere in the clouds staring at your instruments you will heading in the desired direction but you track will drift with the wind. The same might be the case for aiming at some very distant goal but if you are aiming at something you see including surrounding structures then you will instinctively nullify the drift and the nose will point somewhere between your goal and the wind.
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You have no other chance to aim that's why you are telling BS.
We could even ask the simple question: Do the impact angle becomes increasingly better and better in the sense of penetration and destruction? How much? Is the vertical impact angle about 9° "better" than the trajectory 12 seconds before? How much of that angle change was caused by wind?
Is the lateral impact angle about 6° "better" than the lateral angle 12 seconds before impact? How much of that angle change was caused by drift?

Is an increasingly "better" angle vertical and lateral in a single maneuver especially at overspeed a sign of poor skill and sloppy approach?

He is using his 4.33g and -2g failed data to make up pretty pictures. Wow. Your data is big time wrong. Your failed data is showing, ... Blah blah blah...
I love that 3rd person talk of liars when agitating the bystanders. As you can see in the pretty pictures the flight path is pretty smooth and even without math and brain use it should tell you that the failure cannot be very big. ;)
You either know what you are doing and used math for lying or you have no clue.
The final bank was a 10 mile wide turn. So?
Well pooped. ...and the angle became better and better.

You show the terrorist pilot being blow off course...
...and the angle became better and better.

and he is correcting because he lacks experience to maintain a coursewith a crosswind.
...and the angle became better and better.

Good job, your 4.33g/-2g data shows an inexperience pilot
...lying by numbers ...and the angle became better and better.

who rolled into 38 degree of bank and did not pull the required g to make a 10 mile wide turn.
...and the angle became better and better for about 1.6° lateral during the final second. BANG!

The terrorist was lined up 40 miles out.
...just 7500m too high and at an 12° angle. He corrected both. He dived at 10000fpm and turned into "almost perpendicular" during the last 12 seconds at 600mph. Only beginners do;) because at 750m altitude a sinkrate of 5000fps would cause an "Excessive Descent Rate" warning and "Pull up" warning besides overspeed warnings and so on...
...and the angle became better and better.

Your photo shows effects of your failed data and extreme zoom lens.
Can you show me your nonsense in the photo? What's the effct of "extreme zoom lens" on crossing lines of sight from different angles and different lenses?
Little hint: It's the same effect like crossing two VOR or using VOR/DME. The result is a position in 3D space no matter what focal length you use.
You have no clue, right?

The terrorist was stuck with high speed because his descent angle was high.
Yeehaa

His high speed was a product of gravity.
Wow, did I elaborate on kerosene expense or something?
Are you sure about the gravity? It is possible to descent slower if you like.
At least at the Pentagon 10-20 witnesses describe "full throttle".

Atta in 11 was down low early and had to use engines to speed up. If you don't know it a Boeing jet loves 300 knots, at 3 degree of descent a Boeing jet should be able to glide at 300 knots, no engines.
I guess 4° vertical at 430 knots must be a sign of poor flying skill even at 0° lateral, right?

The Boeing jet is super clean, it can reach MACH with little effort, the 510 knots at impact is not an anomalies, and not impossible.
...just the angle became better and better.

If you start with the Vmo stuff, you can stuff it with me; I have flown over Vmo, and I know planes and crews who exceeded Vmo.
Now you are talking about the 250kts birdstrike windshield limitation?
...or about 350KIAS?
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... All Boeing airplanes are certified to this rule. Therefore, intentional exceedance of Vmo/Mmo is not permitted in normal operations. Exceeding Vmo/Mmo can pose a threat to exceeding design structural integrity and design stability & control criteria of the airplane. At speeds less than Vmo/Mmo the airplane’s flight characteristics have been confirmed by flight testing to meet FAR requirements. At speeds in excess of Vmo/Mmo, however, normal airplane handling characteristics are not assured.
Boeing Flight Operations Review 757-27, 8th January 1999

The worse damage I have seen for flying over Vmo is lost skin under the wing, and a gear door was ripped off by the high pressure flying fast low. We would all be at risk if airliners fell apart when flying over Vmo.
That's why it is prohibited even if the airplane just lose a door or the skin. A hijacker obviously get into dilemma. He has JUST ONE TRY! He wants to hit at max speed but cannot be sure if the plane will make it or if he probably might lost control and a door or windshield.
...while hitting at 350KIAS is still pretty destructive, isn't it?
Hence, the big question is, why did 3 hijackers risk their mission by excessively exceeding that limit? Where did these beginners get their information?

WTC7 used for your failed 4.33/-2g data? lol, you have lost your BS edge, you are no in the Bigfoot years of 911 truth, total nonsense, technobabble claptrap analysis. What is next? Did you find the right data yet?
Are you suggesting that the NIST data are "good enough" for the desired purpose? (purpose "downward velocity") Simple answer YES/NO?
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Would you say that my data are "good enough" for the desired purpose? (purpose "final flight path") Simple answer WHY NOT?
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Would you expect some strange inconsistancy in the acceleration of WTC7 when using the speed dots to calculate the acceleration? Simple answer YES/NO?
Would you expect some strange inconsistancy in the acceleration when using the positional data to calculate speed and that speed (without averaging whatsoever) to calculate acceleration? Simple answer WHY NOT?

No inside job, just some bad data which you make up bad conclusions from; you can't explain what you think you discovered.
I guess the NIST data are - according to that 1000times repeated nonsense - better and therefore the conclusions are better.
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Actually it was a joke about a Texan who wasted a decade of his life meticulously compiling data and painstakingly rendering it in pretty graphics trying to find a smoking gun, but only being able to muster an argument from incredulity that rests on the fallacious assumption that every minute data point he collected was intentional instead of the byproduct of a simple, crude, effective plot.
I guess you don't understand that I miss the expectable signs of a simple, crude, effective plot.
It wasn't simple at all. It required years of learning, years of planning, lots of money, lots of helpful "coincidences", risked that at least one out of 19 would talk, risked the airplanes in the final seconds, required a failing Air Force and hit near to perfection.
...crosswind landing at 250KIAS above Vmo just 8m off.
That was intentional instead of the byproduct of a simple, crude, effective plot. And I don't like the concept of pure luck in the context of a terror attack.
It was a highly sophisticated plot requiering immense effort and high risk, executed near to perfection. Besides the tragedy, the perfection is the second most horrible part of it.

The rests is fallacious assumption, downplay, classification and faked evidence.

Follow the money!
 
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You missed the point entirely, achimspok.
My question was not about the motivation, it was about the choice of attack. Why use a plan that would entail a relatively large number of conspirators and leave considerable evidence behind, dramatically increasing the chances for failure due to exposure?
Let’s assume (a big assumption) that everything in your response to me was the motivation for the invasion of Afghanistan/Iraq. The evil Bush Administration now needs a horrific attack against the US to initiate their devious plan. Why blow up half a dozen buildings, including the Pentagon (which would entail losing many people whose skills could prove invaluable in the furtherance of said nefarious scheme) without giving thought to the consequences of exposure, when there are simpler, more secure methods of achieving the same goal?

Such as a chemical weapons attack that could be blamed on a joint Al Qaeda/ Saddam operation, killing hundreds (perhaps thousands) of innocent civilians. No loss of capital resources (the 9/11 attacks cost the US a helluva lot of money), no loss of potentially critical personnel, no evidence left behind which could potentially expose the plot, no co-conspirators that might someday confess, and yet it would have the same impact on the US population.
An attack of this type would be simple, and airtight from the perspective of OPSEC.

A very small team of agents take several canisters of VX with the identical chemical signature of that manufactured by Saddam (perhaps even actual canisters captured during DS/DS) , and detonate them on a chilly, windy morning in Times Square during the Morning Show. Huge crowds, perfect weather conditions, TV cameras rolling as Katie Couric introduces the latest heart throb boy band.
Twenty million people watch Katie’s sweet little face melt as the crowd ( boy band included) gasp their last horrified breath.
The subsequent investigation reveals that the gas bombs were planted by a group of Iraqi students who are revealed to have ties with both Saddam and Al Qaeda. When their house in Long Island is raided all are found dead of the same chemical poison ( an accidental release of unused VX after the bombs were planted). Computers found in the home , along with letters, journals, etc., definitively link the terrorists to OBL/SH.

The students are actually dupes acting (unwittingly) on a false flag operation handled by the conspirators.
The actual conspirators are out of the country as soon as the mission objective is complete. A second team of conspirators, completely unaware of the mission of the first team, takes out the original team quietly and securely. Mission security is now assured.
No one left alive can “blow the whistle”. The second team, even if they someday encounter a crisis of conscience, can only say they killed someone on behalf of the government ( and they might not even know that much, if outside contractors are used).

You have your casus belli. Cheap, just as effective, and from the viewpoint of OPSEC, airtight.

On the one hand you seem to feel that the “gubmint” is composed of brilliant criminal masterminds, yet on the other those same evil geniuses are unable to think through a conspiracy of this magnitude and decide to engage in a Rube Goldberg operation without considering other options that are more secure and just as effective.

Just think what could happen if the shadowy “powers that be” decided to hire an elderly, retired bail bondsman with little secondary education and a penchant for drinking too much Two Buck Chuck on Saturday night, to run their dastardly deeds department.
Hey, Gnomes of Zurich! I’m available Monday through Friday ( I need Sundays off to nurse my hangovers).
Scary, ain’t it?
 
Holy crap, you have no idea how to comprehend what you read, do you?
He proved the pilot was a terrorist on his first and last flight, but he thinks the flight path is due to ENRON and Rice, or something to do with his biased view of the US. He like to make fun of political figures and that is his evidence for his delusions on 911.

When will he figure out his data is messed up with 4.33 and -2g discontinuities. He can't, he has problems as he brings up WTC7 models when he is suppose to bringing up 175 position data. Now that is cute.


I can't wait for his full story of what happened on 911.
 
I guess you don't understand that I miss the expectable signs of a simple, crude, effective plot.
It wasn't simple at all. It required years of learning, years of planning, lots of money, lots of helpful "coincidences", risked that at least one out of 19 would talk, risked the airplanes in the final seconds, required a failing Air Force and hit near to perfection.
...crosswind landing at 250KIAS above Vmo just 8m off.
That was intentional instead of the byproduct of a simple, crude, effective plot. And I don't like the concept of pure luck in the context of a terror attack.
It was a highly sophisticated plot requiering immense effort and high risk, executed near to perfection. Besides the tragedy, the perfection is the second most horrible part of it.

The rests is fallacious assumption, downplay, classification and faked evidence.

Follow the money!
The attack was a 75% success. That's perfection? :confused:


Edit: BTW, planning, training, and financing don't make a simple, crude plot complex--they make it effective.
 
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The attack was a 75% success. That's perfection? :confused:
The 175 murdering pilot homed in on the WTC? Gee, give me a break, he made an infective bank at the last second, much too late with a 10 mile wide turn diameter, he missed the center of the WTC, he failed.

What was Hani aiming at? He did not hit perpendicular. And Flight 93, makes the average CE error in the many miles! lol, precision is in the moron minds of 911 truth. When will they be cured with logic and knowledge?

The funny part is the poor 4.33/-2g math/data wonder-kin is posting how to fly with a crosswind, and failed to realize the idiot pilot failed to take out the drift to have set course. Oops. He is learning flying and applying it back-wards.
 

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