Who started both World Wars?

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I admitted that the allies outnumbering Germany by a factor of 1:7 was exaggerated and that it should be 1:6.

Now show us a link to the post where you showed that 1:6 was 'a lie'.

Not 'numerous' links, just one. :D

Since all of us who participated in this thread back then know that Nein11, Jew, is lying, I invite any passer-bys to go back in this thread if you're interested in finding the lie. I'm not trawling through the thread just because Nein11, Jew, lies again.

ETA: For those who can't bear going through pages and pages of Nazi lies, here's the jist: Nein11, Jew, over inflates Allied manpower by - as I recall - about 50 million Americans, 20 or so million Russians, a couple of million of Brits, and he doesn't count the manpower of a single German ally, preferring to make racist excuses of why they shouldn't be counted.
 
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Hitler's own views there, in 1937. Just to inject some facts into the conversation, which nein/11 will ignore.

I doubt it will be acceptable - Molotov, as an expert on Soviet diplomatic processes from 1937 to 1941 have been summarily dismissed. So I hold little hope for Hitler as an expert on the aims and desires of the German state in the same period
 
I doubt it will be acceptable - Molotov, as an expert on Soviet diplomatic processes from 1937 to 1941 have been summarily dismissed. So I hold little hope for Hitler as an expert on the aims and desires of the German state in the same period

Yes I cannot imagine that 9/11 would accept the mere words of Adolf. I mean what would he actually know about the subject? I mean if you are re-ordering history to suit your fancy ignoring what really happened is order number 1! LOL

Oh if some one could find the time to repeat or copy my post on the Hoffmann # 4280. I'm sure 9/11 would enjoy denying it.
 
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Yes I cannot imagine that 9/11 would accept the mere words of Adolf. I mean what would he actually know about the subject? I mean if you are re-ordering history to suit your fancy ignoring what really happened is order number 1! LOL

Oh if some one could find the time to repeat or copy my post on the Hoffmann # 4280. I'm sure 9/11 would enjoy denying it.

And that is sad really because that whole period is both amazingly rich and diverse. You dont need to make anything up, the truth is bizare enough already
 
The impact of the Nazi-Soviet pact sent out ripples that began the break up of the communist mythos which ended that method of organization in 1990.

It is interesting (in the bizarre sense) to imagine that had Hitler and Stalin cooperated the world would have been a horrible place; Germany, Italy and their allies dominating Europe and parts of Africa, the Soviet Union in the Middle-East and India with Japan ocupping China and most of the rest of Asia and the Pacific - then Hitler and Stalin - or their heirs would have fallen into a world war that would have gone nuclear...... fortunately Hitler was an idiot and attacked his ally.
 
It is interesting (in the bizarre sense) to imagine that had Hitler and Stalin cooperated the world would have been a horrible place; Germany, Italy and their allies dominating Europe and parts of Africa, the Soviet Union in the Middle-East and India with Japan ocupping China and most of the rest of Asia and the Pacific - then Hitler and Stalin - or their heirs would have fallen into a world war that would have gone nuclear...... fortunately Hitler was an idiot and attacked his ally.

And you have the senario for 1984
 
And you have the senario for 1984

Exactly with the change in it that the two sides would be trying to eliminate the others.

Perhaps we should but up a statue to Hitler - it should say in 24 the tenty four most popular languages of the world.

'If not for his monumental stupidity mankind would have fallen into three generations of war that would have devastated the entire planet. We thank you for being a 1st class expert on how to defeat ones self.
 
Are we now contending that Hitler was better than Stalin because Stalin killed innocent people first?

Really?

Yes, indeed.

We can safely assume that Wroclaw and Darth Rotor are not going to contradict my claim that Dolfie killed merely hundreds before the war in Poland where Stalin had already killed millions. So not in a war situation, but simply slaughter amongst his own people.

But relax, suggests Wroclaw, Dolfie made good on his 'backlog of evil' big time after 1939, suggesting that people killed in a war are somehow morally equivalent to slaughtering internal opposition.

The point is that the war in Western-Europe and Barbarossa were forced upon Germany via the war declarations and subsequent invasion of Norway by France and Britain. And to a lesser extent you can say the same about the invasion of Poland that was primarily triggered by the persecution of the Germans in Poland, where Danzig and the corridor where of secondary importance.

Then of course we have the holo tale, kindly and unselfishly investigated by our noble city nuking and mass raping alllies after some thorough testicle kicking.

Here the main players in WW2 and their motivations:

- The USSR had been preparing for and seeking war since the early days of the emergence of that rotten system. They exploited the Danzig situation by granting the Germans the Non-Agression Pact. The secret annex of dividing Eastern-Europe in 'spheres of influence' was their idea and condition alone. Stalin signed the pact knowing fulll well that this would cause war between Germany and Britain.

- America was a rising power in those days. The Jewish dominated Roosevelt government and their allies in the media had already declared war on Germany in 1933 after the Germans started to persecute the Jews because the Germans did not want the same desastrous fate as the Russians had undergone under the Jewish dominated Bolshevik revolution.

- France and Britain still had the same Versailles attitude towards Germany and were not willing to accept the mere existence of a dominant new power in Europe that outperformed them on world markets. They were still thinking in classic European balance-of-power terms and overlooked that there were two new very big kids on the block: the US and USSR, who smilingly observed what happened in Europe and both decided to exploit it.

- Germany had the weakest long term strategic cards and had little other objectives than unite all Germans in one state. Danzig and the corridor was the last missing item on Hitler's todo list. The negotiations that took place in August 1939 were sincere from German perspective in that Hitler wanted to avoid war. But the Poles had no incentive to come to an agreement as they had (empty) assurances in their pockets from Britain, France and the US that they would come to their aid in case of a German attack. But the allies were not interested in Poland and merely used the Poles as a way to get into war with Germany. And the alllies got their way at the cost of Germany, Europe and the European empires, including that of Britain.

The war was wanted most in America. It were they who pushed Chamberlain in the war-garantee. The war was also wanted in the USSR as a way to bolshevize the entire European continent. Stalin only partly succeeded in his aims and was not really happy with the results. The big winner was the US. They had all the resources, starting with the Middle-East. They had the dollar as a world currency. They had minimal losses and soft-colonized the valuable part of Europe. They had imposed the holo-tale upon the world with which we Europeans are morally colonized until this day.
 
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Here an article from 2009, where high-ranking Russians trying to set the record straight. Well, somewhat:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ver-who-was-to-blame-for-the-war-1780273.html

But while European leaders were mourning the destruction of Poland following the invasion of both Nazi and Soviet armies, Russia used the occasion to deny any responsibility for starting the war and to accuse Poland of harbouring secret plans in the 1930s to destroy the Soviet Union...

In Moscow, Russia used the anniversary to release a set of documents from its intelligence archives, which it says shows that Poland was partly to blame for the outbreak of war. The documents allegedly show both that Poland was keen to enter into an alliance with Nazi Germany during the 1930s, and that the Poles had a secret intelligence division aimed at destabilising and destroying the Soviet Union.

The truth is that after WW1 Poland was hands down the most agressive state in Europe and fought wars with all it's neighbours in it's drive for expansion. Poland had not existed as a state for more than a century and in 1918 they all had maps like this from 1600 one in mind, where Poland was the largest state in Europe:

http://austenetterespublica.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/europe_map_1600.jpg?w=918

I visited the Polish houses of parliament a few years ago and I remember seeing there a map like this one!

In the political correct West of today we are being taught that poor little Poland was a victim of a surprise attack of the Evil Natzis. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Poles thought they were backed by the western alllies and decided to take advantage of that to the max. They mobilised first, they persecuted the many Germans living in Poland (thanks to Versailles), they had designs on Eastern-Prussia and even were dreaming of marching towards Berlin. Everybody was surprised with the ease with which Germany steam-rolled over Poland (as it did over France and initially over Russia). Danzig was not even Polish, it wanted to be part of Germany, but in reality Poland wanted it as well. Present day Poland now has Danzig after it was ethnically cleansed for the full 100% in 1945. Justice done, right?
 
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The truth is that after WW1 Poland was hands down the most agressive state in Europe and fought wars with all it's neighbours in it's drive for expansion.
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And you can cite, you know, real historians discussing these post-WWI wars? You know, the kind with armies and bullets and artillery and such?
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We can safely assume that Wroclaw and Darth Rotor are not going to contradict my claim that Dolfie killed merely hundreds before the war in Poland where Stalin had already killed millions. So not in a war situation, but simply slaughter amongst his own people.

Well, first of all, I'd say Hitler probably had killed tens of thousands before September 1939. Don't forget that this was after the Knight of the Long Knives, after the opening of the camps, after Kristallnacht, and after the Nazis marched on Prague.

But relax, suggests Wroclaw, Dolfie made good on his 'backlog of evil' big time after 1939, suggesting that people killed in a war are somehow morally equivalent to slaughtering internal opposition.

Depends. Soldiers killed in war are one thing; civilians killed in war are as bad as killing internal opposition.

The point is that the war in Western-Europe and Barbarossa were forced upon Germany via the war declarations and subsequent invasion of Norway by France and Britain. And to a lesser extent you can say the same about the invasion of Poland that was primarily triggered by the persecution of the Germans in Poland, where Danzig and the corridor where of secondary importance.

No one forced Hitler to invade the USSR except for Hitler.

Then of course we have the holo tale, kindly and unselfishly investigated by our noble city nuking and mass raping alllies after some thorough testicle kicking.

Repeating untruths will not make them true.

Here the main players in WW2 and their motivations

Yawn...

The war was wanted most in America.

You really don't have a clue, do you? Two words: Robert Taft.

Look him up and get back to us all.
 
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And you can cite, you know, real historians discussing these post-WWI wars? You know, the kind with armies and bullets and artillery and such?
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Really. Who besides the Soviets fought a war with Poland between 1919 and 1939?
 
9/11 makes more blatantly funny mistakes

1. Yep the Soviets and Polish fought a war 1919-21 which follow on the Ukranian-Polish war as the Soviets organized and defeated the Whites. Poland won; historians find that both sides were trying to define a border that had not been defined.

2. Border squabbles with Germany & Czechoslovakia over its new border, these were minor and not a 'war'. At least the sides involved didn’t think so.

3. 9/11 lies again, ‘The point is that the war in Western-Europe and Barbarossa were forced upon Germany via the war declarations and subsequent invasion of Norway by France and Britain.’ LOL 9/11 continues to lie as noted above. Germany invaded Poland and the allies, who were allied with Poland, declared war, as they had stated they would. The war was already going 9/11 - the German invasion of Norway (and you note how he tries to NOT mention the German invasion of Denmark, LOL). German U-Boats were sinking ships from day one and they were laying magnetic mines in British waters. The war was ON caused by German aggression against Poland.

4. 9/11 blunders again, ‘Poland had not existed as a state for more than a century’ so they were trying to re-establish their state- which they did after it was taken from them by treaties – 9/11 feels that since it was taken by treaty they had no right to regain it – but he then contradicts himself in true hyper-hypocrite style by insisting that Germany had a right to regain territory taken from it by treaty, LOL

5. 9/11 lies again, ‘They mobilised first, they persecuted the many Germans living in Poland’
Poland partially mobilized on August 24th 1939 and went to full mobilization on August 30 1939 and were invaded by Germany the next day. Needless to say they were not fully mobilized – and this fact was noted by the German Army. When did the German army mobilize? Well the liar 9/11 will never mention that. The German army was already mobilized – the regular army and first two ‘waves’ of reserve were available for the attack on Poland

6. More 9/11 lies, ‘Danzig and the corridor was the last missing item on Hitler's todo list.’ This shows both the extent of 9/11 attempt to white wash Hitlers aggressiveness and his embarrassing lack of knowledge of history, fortunately Hitler documented his plans – Poland was just his start of aggressive war. Which was repeatly stated pre-war and during the war itself – 9/11 – being intellectually hostile to the truth will never ever mention the Hoffman memorandum on post 4280. One might want to ask him why….and watch him run, LOL

It undermines his entire argument. Hitler wanted all the German volk under his dictatorship and he so stated, clearly and repeatedly, – and in Western Europe he still had Luxembourg, parts of Belgium and the German Cantons in the Confederation of Helvetia to invade. He got Luxembourg and Belgium but his plans to invade Switzerland were stopped by his complete utter defeat caused by his inability to plan properly.
 
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Well, first of all, I'd say Hitler probably had killed tens of thousands before September 1939. Don't forget that this was after the Knight of the Long Knives,

Do you really want to whine about the poor Natzis being killed by Natzis? Give me a break.

after the opening of the camps

Tell me what happened in those camps before september 1939? Oh wait, the inmates had to work for a living. Boohoo.

, after Kristallnacht

90 Jews killed. That's a well-placed Bagdad car bomb after the Baath order was destroyed by the Americans, resulting in 1 million deaths and 4 million displaced persons. Kristallnacht was triggered by a Jew killing a popular German. Cry me a river.

, and after the Nazis marched on Prague.

Not a single bullet was fired. These 'tens of thousands' must have been tickled to death, right?

No one forced Hitler to invade the USSR except for Hitler.

Comrade Molotov agrees with me that Hitler had no other choice than to attack. Read his memoirs, page 23:

Molotov: Hitler had no other option than to attack us. He never could have ended his war with Britain.

A few hundred that is all. The Soviets in contrast killed millions in their slaughter factory before the war, but comrade Wroclaw keeps defending his palls.

Watch The Soviet Story video (85 minutes) if you can stomach it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRyirIgAOWc

After you finished watching the movie you will conclude with me that the wrong people won WW2.
 
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The truth is that after WW1 Poland was hands down the most agressive state in Europe and fought wars with all it's neighbours in it's drive for expansion. Poland had not existed as a state for more than a century and in 1918 they all had maps like this from 1600 one in mind, where Poland was the largest state in Europe:

http://austenetterespublica.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/europe_map_1600.jpg?w=918

So because they had maps from 1600 of the UNION of Lithuania and Poland they were trying to expand????

Poland fought a war with a Russia and a very short war with Lithuania right after they were reborn in 1918, but there was no fighting after 1922. And Poland had signed non-aggression pacts with the USSR (1927) and Germany (1934). Hardly the sign of aggressive intentions.

They mobilised first, they persecuted the many Germans living in Poland (thanks to Versailles), they had designs on Eastern-Prussia and even were dreaming of marching towards Berlin. Everybody was surprised with the ease with which Germany steam-rolled over Poland (as it did over France and initially over Russia). Danzig was not even Polish, it wanted to be part of Germany, but in reality Poland wanted it as well. Present day Poland now has Danzig after it was ethnically cleansed for the full 100% in 1945. Justice done, right?

So many lies in one paragraph.
Poland didn't start full mobilization until August 30, one day before Germany was attacked. They didn't fully mobilize.
Danzig was a free city and could have rejoined Germany at any time if 2/3 of the residents voted to do so. That never happened, so "Danzig wanted to be part of Germany" is another lie.
 
Danzig was a free city and could have rejoined Germany at any time if 2/3 of the residents voted to do so.

Howdy Rich C

I believe that Danzig was under League of nations control. Their was a movement by the Nazis to request Danzig be transferred but it was not granted.
 
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Do you really want to whine about the poor Natzis being killed by Natzis? Give me a break.

Why would you care, therefore, about the Great Purges? Commies killing commies. The point, since you missed it, is that Hitler had racked up rather the body count before 9/39.

Tell me what happened in those camps before september 1939? Oh wait, the inmates had to work for a living. Boohoo.

This assumes these people never worked, which is an assumption only someone without a soul would make.

90 Jews killed. That's a well-placed Bagdad car bomb after the Baath order was destroyed by the Americans, resulting in 1 million deaths and 4 million displaced persons. Kristallnacht was triggered by a Jew killing a popular German. Cry me a river.

I fail to see what relevance the Iraq War has here.

Ninety Jews killed in one night. Tens of thousands sent to KZs where they would also later die.

Not a single bullet was fired. These 'tens of thousands' must have been tickled to death, right?

You get very nasty when you're losing.

Not a single bullet was fired on Kristallnacht. Plenty were fired between January 1933 and August 1939.

Comrade Molotov agrees with me that Hitler had no other choice than to attack. Read his memoirs, page 23:

Because he couldn't beat the British.

You don't read very well, do you?

A few hundred that is all. The Soviets in contrast killed millions in their slaughter factory before the war, but comrade Wroclaw keeps defending his palls.

They're not my pals, tiny.

I still don't see the point in who killed whom when.

They both killed millions of innocent people. That's what you won't own up to. That's cowardly.

After you finished watching the movie you will conclude with me that the wrong people won WW2.

I'm a Jew, you idiot. Why would I ever say that?
 
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