Chaos Magic

[dafydd]

How do I locate these bodily spheres? Or was that just more new age waffle?

 

[Sledge]

As a man you should be checking your bodily spheres at least once a month.

 

[carlitos]

I levitate quite often - in dreams. It feels so real and everyday that I can see how it could easily become part of some magical mythology confusing the imaginary with reality - if you believe dreams are more than pure imagination.

One of my favorite parts of Gabriel Garcia-Marquez' One Hundred Years of Solitude is when the priest levitates after drinking chocolate. Do you dream this way after consuming chocolate?

 

[dlorde]

One of my favorite parts of Gabriel Garcia-Marquez' One Hundred Years of Solitude is when the priest levitates after drinking chocolate. Do you dream this way after consuming chocolate?

Very good question - I do eat a fair amount of high-quality chocolate (from the Chocolate Tasting Club - they offered an irresistable bond that gives me free chocolate every month as the coupon ).

But I'm pretty sure I levitate in dreams even during the lean spell between monthly boxes

 

[The Norseman]

Very good question - I do eat a fair amount of high-quality chocolate (from the Chocolate Tasting Club - they offered an irresistable bond that gives me free chocolate every month as the coupon ).

But I'm pretty sure I levitate in dreams even during the lean spell between monthly boxes

In the past, I have been known to commune with spirits -- I'd begin my ritual by unscrewing the cap from the whiskey or vodka bottle and pouring out a glass.

After a while, I would be levitating too!

I hope this counts as chaos magic.

 

[The Man]

In the past, I have been known to commune with spirits -- I'd begin my ritual by unscrewing the cap from the whiskey or vodka bottle and pouring out a glass.

After a while, I would be levitating too!

I hope this counts as chaos magic.

A communion I occasionally and am currently indulging, though no levitating yet, guess I just need to commune some more. Come to me, oh chaos magic (and the barmaid).

 

[PixyMisa]

So, no evidence for Chaos Magic then?

 

[Resume]

So, no evidence for Chaos Magic then?

Evidently not.

 

[dafydd]

Evidently not.

Limbo has abandoned ship because he had no evidence.

 

[tsig]

Limbo has abandoned ship because he had no evidence.

I thought it had more to do with the ship sinking.

 

[punshhh]

So, no evidence for Chaos Magic then?

I observed some chaos the other day.

I was looking to buy a car on ebay, I found the perfect one so rang up and arranged to view it the following morning.

Unfortunately early in the morning the seller phoned me to say sorry its gone already, I was really disappointed.

That evening I happened to look out the window of my house and couldn't believe it, the same car was parked outside, (I was able to check the number plate).

Now the car was on sale approximately 50 miles away, I estimate that there are probably 3 or 4 million cars in a 50 mile radius of this location.

Also a similar number of addresses the new owner might have gone to when parking the car that evening.

Now thats pretty chaotic behavior for you!

 

[dafydd]

I observed some chaos the other day.

I was looking to buy a car on ebay, I found the perfect one so rang up and arranged to view it the following morning.

Unfortunately early in the morning the seller phoned me to say sorry its gone already, I was really disappointed.

That evening I happened to look out the window of my house and couldn't believe it, the same car was parked outside, (I was able to check the number plate).

Now the car was on sale approximately 50 miles away, I estimate that there are probably 3 or 4 million cars in a 50 mile radius of this location.

Also a similar number of addresses the new owner might have gone to when parking the car that evening.

Now thats pretty chaotic behavior for you!

Sigh! What are you here for? The are plenty of other places on the net for innocuous chatter.

 

[catsmate]

I observed some chaos the other day.

I was looking to buy a car on ebay, I found the perfect one so rang up and arranged to view it the following morning.

Unfortunately early in the morning the seller phoned me to say sorry its gone already, I was really disappointed.

That evening I happened to look out the window of my house and couldn't believe it, the same car was parked outside, (I was able to check the number plate).

Now the car was on sale approximately 50 miles away, I estimate that there are probably 3 or 4 million cars in a 50 mile radius of this location.

Also a similar number of addresses the new owner might have gone to when parking the car that evening.

Now thats pretty chaotic behavior for you!

Chaotic.
Coincidence.

 

[annnnoid]

I observed some chaos the other day.

I was looking to buy a car on ebay, I found the perfect one so rang up and arranged to view it the following morning.

Unfortunately early in the morning the seller phoned me to say sorry its gone already, I was really disappointed.

That evening I happened to look out the window of my house and couldn't believe it, the same car was parked outside, (I was able to check the number plate).

Now the car was on sale approximately 50 miles away, I estimate that there are probably 3 or 4 million cars in a 50 mile radius of this location.

Also a similar number of addresses the new owner might have gone to when parking the car that evening.

Now thats pretty chaotic behavior for you!

I’d say you observed ‘something’ the other day. Even the omniscient insect would have a hard time rationalizing that one. A ‘coincidence’?....of course Pixy. I’ll enlighten you then: “We use words so we can avoid having to fact the fact that we don’t know what we’re talking about.”

…my explanation: God has a sense of humor.

 

[Nonpareil]

A ‘coincidence’?....of course Pixy.

catsmate1 is not Pixy.

 

[Myriad]

I’d say you observed ‘something’ the other day. Even the omniscient insect would have a hard time rationalizing that one. A ‘coincidence’?....of course Pixy. I’ll enlighten you then: “We use words so we can avoid having to fact the fact that we don’t know what we’re talking about.”

…my explanation: God has a sense of humor.

Your explanation has disturbing theological implications though. May I inquire further about your interpretation of this event?

Does it mean that if I buy a car, my selection might have been influenced by God so as to amaze a neighbor I don't even know? What happened to free will? Do you believe that God overrides people's free will in order to play jokes?

Or are you instead claiming that the car got outside your house without any human agency at all? Did God perform a miracle by moving the car? If so, do you think He make the car fly or teleport or drive itself, or incarnated for the second time in human history to buy the car and drive it to your house?

Also, a related question: in any ordered universe, regardless of the source of that order (God, physical laws, or whatever), coincidences must occur. Do you believe God acts to prevent any coincidences that are not deliberately caused by Him? If not, why do you not accept that meaningless coincidences can and do occur and that therefore any given coincidence might be meaningless?

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[carlitos]

catsmate1 is not Pixy.

We are all Spartacus Pixy in annnnoid's world.

Myriad,
Do you think that God is the one who puts all the cars out there that are just like yours but you never noticed them until you got one? Sounds like some sort of Trickster archetype to me.

 

[annnnoid]

Your explanation has disturbing theological implications though. May I inquire further about your interpretation of this event?

No.

Does it mean that if I buy a car, my selection might have been influenced by God so as to amaze a neighbor I don't even know?

I don’t know…does it?

What happened to free will?

Ask Argent?

Do you believe that God overrides people's free will in order to play jokes?

Define ‘free will’.

Or are you instead claiming that the car got outside your house without any human agency at all?

Define the sum total of ‘human agency’.

Did God perform a miracle by moving the car?

Did God move the car?

If so, do you think He make the car fly or teleport or drive itself, or incarnated for the second time in human history to buy the car and drive it to your house?

God made a universe to move the car with. Hardly a miracle.

Do you believe God acts to prevent any coincidences that are not deliberately caused by Him?

There is no uncaused cause.

If not, why do you not accept that meaningless coincidences can and do occur and that therefore any given coincidence might be meaningless?

What does ‘meaningless’ mean?

 

[Myriad]

We are all Spartacus Pixy in annnnoid's world.

Myriad,
Do you think that God is the one who puts all the cars out there that are just like yours but you never noticed them until you got one? Sounds like some sort of Trickster archetype to me.

You got a silver 2006 Nissan Altima about a year ago too? Wow, that's amazing!

I think the cause of that is Satan. I haven't figured out why, but that's undoubtedly because Satan is cleverer than me.

(Actually, what Satan does do -- at least metaphorically -- is tempt people who've experienced coincidences to embellish them. They realize that the mere facts will not quite convey how amazing it felt to have the coincidence happen to them. So in the retelling, the gist stays the same but a few extra orders of magnitude of improbability slip in. A car of the exact same year, model, and color becomes the very same car license number and all, or a parking lot a few miles away becomes the street right outside your house. It's not really lying, it's an attempt to more accurately convey the emotions of the experience. But it does make rational discussion of coincidences that much more difficult.)

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[annnnoid]

You got a silver 2006 Nissan Altima about a year ago too? Wow, that's amazing!

I think the cause of that is Satan. I haven't figured out why, but that's undoubtedly because Satan is cleverer than me.

(Actually, what Satan does do -- at least metaphorically -- is tempt people who've experienced coincidences to embellish them. They realize that the mere facts will not quite convey how amazing it felt to have the coincidence happen to them. So in the retelling, the gist stays the same but a few extra orders of magnitude of improbability slip in. A car of the exact same year, model, and color becomes the very same car license number and all, or a parking lot a few miles away becomes the street right outside your house. It's not really lying, it's an attempt to more accurately convey the emotions of the experience. But it does make rational discussion of coincidences that much more difficult.)

Respectfully,
Myriad

"You’re in charge…you’re not in control. Anyone who thinks they’re in control is nuts." David Fincher

Do you think you're in control Myriad? Would you be one of those Mr. Fincher would regard as 'nuts'?