Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

[mehmetin]

I still maintain that your ideology (i.e., Muslims can't or wouldn't commit large scale terror attacks) and your argument from incredulity ("I don't understand how the pilots could have had their throats cut, therefore they must have died via poison gas") is forcing you to adopt counter theories which are at best wildly far-fetched. You are basically saying "I believe X is impossible therefore Y must be true" and yet you have provided no evidence to prove that Y is true.

Sorry! I proved that X is impossible. Nobody is able to explain “How and Why 4 different teams created successive hijacks?”. That’s a key question! Some representatives of the USA government should explain that. But since nearly 10 years they are silent about that subject. As long as the USA officials are unable to explain that, that means their theory, or story, is a lie.

As this is impossible, we need to explain all other aspects. And I explained everything by using strong evidence.

I can imagine that you find that a weak explanation. But that explanation remains stronger than the official story which is based on the cover up and classification of too many evidence and removal of evidence which are impossible to hide.

It's not enough to say that you believe that poison gas and tomahawk guidance systems explain how the jets were taken out of the pilot's control. You actually have to find actual evidence of the gas or the alterations made to the aircraft.

Such evidence should be found by a justice court which should order an independent fully open investigation on the events. As long as the USA government hides all evidence, do not make the required analysis, all what they tell remain false or at leas suspected to be false.

It may seem to you unfair, but I suspect that if you were on trial for a crime you did not commit, you wouldn't stand for it if the prosecution based their entire case on how they imagine the crime must have been committed, but with no actual evidence to support it.

A justice court could get access to all required evidence. Me, I do not have access to such evidence. Bush administration classified all evidence.

 

[I Ratant]

Only non Muslim minded people could think to such question of 72 virgins. That does not exist in the Quran and if it exists in the hadiths it is false hadith.

The only meaning of such goodness promising verses is that if men make heir action to be the goodness then whole world becomes peaceful like the heaven. What’s wrong in such meaning? Nothing! Because we are responsible on our actions and we get their consequences in return.

If you want the world become the hell, you just need to make all your actions bad. You’ll see very quickly that you live in the hell.

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Other than the long tradition in Islam, of course..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri
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And the 80,000 servants... don't forget those.
"72 Virgins"

The concept of 72 virgins in Islam refers to an aspect of paradise. In a collection by Imam at-Tirmidhi in his "Sunan" (Volume IV, Chapters on "The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of Allah", chapter 21: "About the Smallest Reward for the People of Heaven", hadith 2687) and also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir (Qur'anic Commentary) of Surah Qur'an 55:72, it is stated that:

"It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard Muhammad saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a."
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But don't let fact interfere with personal reinterpretations of history.
QED.

 

[mehmetin]

Your idea that Muslims can't be responsible for this because history says they don't do it is demonstrably false.

I did not tell that. That's your misinterpretation.

I told that all known strong evidence is consistent with ONE team made operation and makes impossible the involvement of Muslims in those attacks.

Again, if USA administration is able to show strong evidence proving all aspect of the preparation and making of the attacks by 19 Muslims I am ready to change my opinion and apologies.

 

[mehmetin]

Muslims in Turkey are often sweet and kind souls who listen to sanitised Friday sermons written by the Directorate of Religious Affairs and read by imams selected and educated by the same state body. There are none(?) of these firebrand types of sermon reminding the congregation of the evils of the infidel (Jews and Americans in particular) while calling on them to take up the fight for their oppressed Muslim brothers and sisters.

Perhaps this is why so many of them doubt "the official story".

USA administration should bring strong evidence and explain all aspects of the attacks. They did not! That means they can have lied.

In addition all studied evidence shows that they lied on major aspects. That means Bush administration actually LIED about the attacks of 9/11.

On the third level, my study proves how the attacks were made.

That means, Muslims are NOT involved in 9/11.

 

[mehmetin]

And it wasn't spotted by any of the engineers and technicians that worked on the aircraft? Do you know what a 'Type Certificate' is and how it makes all aircraft that are certified the same? Any extra equipment would have been spotted.
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The modification should have been made only days before the attacks. Making nobody enter into the area where those equipments were installed. That's also why the maintenance data of these aircrafts were cleared from the international databases.

 

[mehmetin]

Yea, but I'll bet Turkey has its share of firebrands and extremists.

It isn't the imams whose opinions I would listen to concerning 9-11 anyway; this is an issue for science. I'd be much more interested in what the respected engineering and scientific communities in Turkey have to say.

You won't find honest Muslims who will speak pout about 9/11. I am an exception in the Muslim world. Just because I made the required investigation to discover the facts. That's all.

Instead of getting against me, you'd better to study my work and question the official story which a lie.

 

[Sideroxylon]

USA administration should bring strong evidence and explain all aspects of the attacks. They did not! That means they can have lied.

In addition all studied evidence shows that they lied on major aspects. That means Bush administration actually LIED about the attacks of 9/11.

On the third level, my study proves how the attacks were made.

That means, Muslims are NOT involved in 9/11.

Yok canım.

Lets see you get your "study" published then. Or why not just one aspect - for example publish your proof of how the mobile telephones could not have worked in a good radio communications journal.

 

[Sideroxylon]

That's also why the maintenance data of these aircrafts were cleared from the international databases.

Citation please.

 

[beachnut]

I did not tell that. That's your misinterpretation.

I told that all known strong evidence is consistent with ONE team made operation and makes impossible the involvement of Muslims in those attacks.

Again, if USA administration is able to show strong evidence proving all aspect of the preparation and making of the attacks by 19 Muslims I am ready to change my opinion and apologies.

It is common knowledge 19 Muslims did it, only a few morons claim otherwise, don't be fooled by morons making up lies.



There are nut case crazy people in all lands, here are some Islamic nut cases.

American Airlines Flight 11
Hijackers: Mohamed Atta (Egyptian), Waleed al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian), Wail al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian), Abdulaziz al-Omari (Saudi Arabian), Satam al-Suqami (Saudi Arabian).
Two flight attendants called the American Airlines reservation desk during the hijacking. Betty Ong reported that "the four hijackers had come from first-class seats: 2A, 2B, 9A, and 9B." Flight attendant Amy Sweeney called a flight services manager at Logan Airport in Boston and described them as Middle Eastern. She gave the staff the seat numbers and they pulled up the ticket and credit card information of the hijackers, identifying Mohamed Atta.

Why do you lie?

United Airlines Flight 175
Hijackers: Marwan al-Shehhi (United Arab Emirati), Fayez Banihammad (United Arab Emirati), Mohand al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian), Hamza al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian), Ahmed al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian).
A United Airlines mechanic was called by a flight attendant who stated the crew had been murdered and the plane hijacked.

You failed to resereach 911 and you lie.

American Airlines Flight 77
Hijackers: Hani Hanjour (Saudi Arabian), Khalid al-Mihdhar (Saudi Arabian), Majed Moqed (Saudi Arabian), Nawaf al-Hazmi (Saudi Arabian), Salem al-Hazmi (Saudi Arabian).
Two hijackers, Hani Hanjour and Majed Moqed were identified by clerks as having bought single, first-class tickets for Flight 77 from Advance Travel Service in Totowa, New Jersey with $1,842.25 in cash. Renee May, a flight attendant on Flight 77, used a cell phone to call her mother in Las Vegas. She said her flight was being hijacked by six individuals who had moved them to the rear of the plane. Unlike the other flights, there was no report of stabbings or bomb threats. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, it is possible that pilots were not killed and were sent to the rear of the plane. Passenger Barbara Olson called her husband, Theodore Olson, the Solicitor General of the United States, stating the flight had been hijacked and the hijackers had knives and box cutters.[13] Two of the passengers had been on the FBI's terrorist-alert list: Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi.
Forensic remains of the five hijackers were found at the Pentagon, along with remains of the victims.

How stupid do you have to be to commit suicide and murder? Why did they murder the kid on this plane? Why do you apologize for morons who kill?

We got some of their DNA, you lost this one due to ignorance.

United Airlines Flight 93
Hijackers: Ziad Jarrah (Lebanese), Ahmed al-Haznawi (Saudi Arabian), Ahmed al-Nami (Saudi Arabian), Saeed al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian).
Passenger Jeremy Glick stated that the hijackers were Arabic-looking, wearing red headbands, and carrying knives.
Hijacker Ziad Jarrah also mistakenly broadcast messages intended for passengers over the air traffic control system:
“ Ladies and gentlemen. This is the captain. Please sit down. Keep remaining sitting. We have a bomb on board. So sit.
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Uh, this is the captain. Would like you all to remain seated. There is a bomb aboard and are going back to the airport, and to have our demands met. Please remain quiet.”

Jarrah is also heard on the cockpit voice recorder. In addition, DNA samples submitted by his girlfriend were matched to remains recovered in Shanksville.

DNA, proves it was Islamic nut cases; the last incompetent humans were beat up by passengers, and the terrorists had to crash the plane to avoid being beat up; chicken terrorists. You have delusional nonsense, you will never be taken seriously on 911; you make up lies.

 

[Andy_Ross]

The modification should have been made only days before the attacks. Making nobody enter into the area where those equipments were installed. That's also why the maintenance data of these aircrafts were cleared from the international databases.

Why wasn't the wpork being carried out seen by the 'real' maintenance crew?

What 'international databases' do you mean?

What about he paper records of the airline of the airline and any of the companies involved?

Work carried out on airliners is very strictly documented and controlled. There are reams of forms and paperwork.

 

[funk de fino]

You can tell us something like "I never saw such thing", "I never imagined such thing", "I am unable to produce such thing", ...

But you can not tell "That's impossible; you must believe me, I am an ex aircraft technician!".

Any way, we are waiting reasons why such control is impossible?

No, it is not possible.

 

[DGM]

We shouldn't get in a pointless derail, but I agree.

Agreed! I just can't stand blanket prejudice, especially considering the original poster is not normally like that.

 

[Craig4]

And it wasn't spotted by any of the engineers and technicians that worked on the aircraft? Do you know what a 'Type Certificate' is and how it makes all aircraft that are certified the same? Any extra equipment would have been spotted.
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The modification should have been made only days before the attacks. Making nobody enter into the area where those equipments were installed. That's also why the maintenance data of these aircrafts were cleared from the international databases.

So then you can produce parts, records or witnesses that these systems were placed on the planes? Please do share.

 

[mehmetin]

You're going to need to back this statement up. I just got off the phone with a Delta service tech and he says your wrong. The only cables link to control valves in an area that has no extra room for any additional parts (just below the control column).

You claim to have evidence to the contrary. Post it or we can all assume you made this up.

I told you that I must redesign the place of that equipment. It's only some space to be found. I can not imagine that a space for about 3liter volume can not be found inside a plane!

 

[mehmetin]

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Other than the long tradition in Islam, of course..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri
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And the 80,000 servants... don't forget those.
"72 Virgins"

The concept of 72 virgins in Islam refers to an aspect of paradise. In a collection by Imam at-Tirmidhi in his "Sunan" (Volume IV, Chapters on "The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of Allah", chapter 21: "About the Smallest Reward for the People of Heaven", hadith 2687) and also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir (Qur'anic Commentary) of Surah Qur'an 55:72, it is stated that:

"It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard Muhammad saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a."
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But don't let fact interfere with personal reinterpretations of history.
QED.

As I told, it's another hadith injected into islamic belief. This is not consistent with quranic life principles. Those people do not have the right to be associated to the Quran nor to replace it.

Islamic vision of life is in the Quran. Anyone who wants to lear Islam should read teh Quran and understand it. All other parts are baseless claims.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Mehmetin, I have been lazy until now but have started reading through this thread. You have well and truly been pantsed, haven't you.

 

[DGM]

I told you that I must redesign the place of that equipment. It's only some space to be found. I can not imagine that a space for about 3liter volume can not be found inside a plane!

You really haven't done all that much "research" on this have you? Lets start with a lay out of the "strong cables". Surely you know this?

 

[mehmetin]

Originally Posted by mehmetin
USA administration should bring strong evidence and explain all aspects of the attacks. They did not! That means they can have lied.

In addition all studied evidence shows that they lied on major aspects. That means Bush administration actually LIED about the attacks of 9/11.

On the third level, my study proves how the attacks were made.

That means, Muslims are NOT involved in 9/11.

Yok canım.

Lets see you get your "study" published then. Or why not just one aspect - for example publish your proof of how the mobile telephones could not have worked in a good radio communications journal.

Evet canım!

I showed you how big are the vertical propagation of the waves of GSM antennas. They are not propagated at all. In the best case, we have only 10° upper the horizontal line. That means no vertical propagation is possible. That means no cellular phone calls are possible from 35000ft kind altitude. So, all cellular phone calls are FAKE.

At least one is well known and this is enough to tell all phone calls are faked. Actually to make such attacks, one can only show the phone calls as evidence. As those are fake, that means the official story has no evidence to back it up.

 

[mehmetin]

Originally Posted by mehmetin
That's also why the maintenance data of these aircrafts were cleared from the international databases.

Citation please.

You can look it yourself. The maintenance data of the planes used in 9/11 are deleted from international aircraft database.

 

[mehmetin]

It is common knowledge 19 Muslims did it, only a few morons claim otherwise, don't be fooled by morons making up lies.



There are nut case crazy people in all lands, here are some Islamic nut cases.
Why do you lie?

You failed to resereach 911 and you lie.

How stupid do you have to be to commit suicide and murder? Why did they murder the kid on this plane? Why do you apologize for morons who kill?

We got some of their DNA, you lost this one due to ignorance.


DNA, proves it was Islamic nut cases; the last incompetent humans were beat up by passengers, and the terrorists had to crash the plane to avoid being beat up; chicken terrorists. You have delusional nonsense, you will never be taken seriously on 911; you make up lies.

All those lists are made by Bush administration who planned and made the attacks. But they are still unable to explain "How and Why 4 different teams made successive hijacks?". As long as USA did not explain that, all accusations on Muslims are false.