Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

Why? It's possibly both.
Hmmm, maybe. I see the compulsive obsessive as being unable to control his mental disorder voluntarily, while the pathological liar can...but won't.

The only other alternative is the religiously obsessed maniac. Not like we have seen many of THOSE around here! :rolleyes:

ETA: The last possibility I can conceive is he is as thick as the brick he cannot design.
 
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Thanks for your input. During longtime I thought what happened to the Pilots? First I thought that the control system can use non-reversible gear box making the pilots unable to stop or move the automatic movement of flight controls. But if pilots remain alive, they'll make every possible think to crash the plane into the ground, stop the engines, stop other systems, ... Then arrive the solution: the pilots should be killed.


Don't you see what you are doing there? You are starting with the assumption that there were no (Muslim) hijackers, which pretty much forces you to consider those other unwieldy (not to mention unlikely) scenarios that you outlined in the post I quoted. A responsible and dispassionate investigator (professional or amateur) must go where the evidence leads them, not begin their investigation with a foregone conclusion then attempt to awkwardly shoehorn the evidence to fit their conclusion.

It's humiliating and disturbing when a member of one's own family/tribe/community/political party/country/religious group/etc. commits a shameful criminal act, especially if we fear that our own personal reputations might somehow be tainted by the actions of the criminal. We can all probably cite examples when something like that has happened, times when we've been ashamed to be a part of the same group that the criminal belongs to. That's a perfectly human reaction. What we must avoid doing though is committing the No true ScotsmanWP fallacy. In your case you believe that no true Muslim would perpetrate such a large scale act of terrorism, so you are forced to conclude that the perpetrators are not Muslims. Again, this is a perfectly human reaction, but it is not a rational reaction.

To say that all Muslims are terrorists is absurd, but to say that no Muslims are terrorists is equally absurd. Making blanket statements about what any group (e.g., Muslim, Christian or Jew) is and is not capable of is not only wrongheaded, it has been the cause of a lot of suffering throughout history.
 
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You should ask yourself how biased you are! If you were a little bit technically skilled people, you'll understand that I am mainly speaking on technical aspects. So I am technical designer!
I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Sorry, I do not want to insult you. I understand that you do not imagine I could be a technical designer. Medias so much brain washed people that most of them believe Muslims are ignorant in many aspects. Normally technically skilled Muslims will not dare to study that subject. I decided to make it. I dare.
I didn't have that stereotype before, but you sure are doing your best to change my mind.

For me, honest people should take part on these horrible terror attacks to make justice and peace amongst humanity.
The problem is honesty and foolishness/stupidity/gullibility are not mutually exclusive traits.
 
That's a lie. The technology does not make that possible today. Typical confusion and disinformation. Agagin everybody should make his own opinion. In other words, disinfo agents are wery well working and they succeeded to create huge confusion about the subject.

A lie ? Why on earth would I lie about that ? I received the text to my phone almost an hour into our 2 hour flight. I quickly turned my phone off when I realized I left it on. It is not a lie at all. Maybe next you will accuse me of being a Jew or making it up to confuse people so they wont know who the real terrorists are.

Get over it. Muslims attacked the United States on 9/11 and I received a text message above 30,000 feet.
 
For the last time I say: Don't feed the troll.

And I'm out of this thread - he's proven himself many times over.
 
I like the peace aspects of 911peace.org as much as I like the truth aspects of ae911truth.org. We are indeed sister organizations.!
 
Except tha tI proved you such cellular phone call is impossible and that using voice changing software it's possible to produce the phone calls. That destroys all your claims and all official story.

Bye for the phone calls and for teh official story. You and USA government should explain the events using otehr evidence. They are debunked and they are wrong, false, white lie, ...

My "independent individual" research work is too much stronger than the official story which cost millions and more dollars.

Brilliant. You are confused about the cellphone calls so you throw out all the airphone calls.
You are a complete screw-up.

You really ought to get in touch with Anders Lindman on the 'Warring no planers' thread - he'll show you conclusive non-evidence that there were no planes at all, let alone planes rigged with cruise missile guidance systems and poison gas.

You two should compare your non-evidence and see which is stronger! Personally I think Anders will win the argument, as his non-evidence is 10X stronger than your non-evidence. (multiples of zero, y'know)

LOL

ETA here's a link to Ander's first post on that thread
 
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Don't you see what you are doing there? You are starting with the assumption that there were no (Muslim) hijackers, which pretty much forces you to consider those other unwieldy (not to mention unlikely) scenarios that you outlined in the post I quoted. A responsible and dispassionate investigator (professional or amateur) must go where the evidence leads them, not begin their investigation with a foregone conclusion then attempt to awkwardly shoehorn the evidence to fit their conclusion.

It's humiliating and disturbing when a member of one's own family/tribe/community/political party/country/religious group/etc. commits a shameful criminal act, especially if we fear that our own personal reputations might somehow be tainted by the actions of the criminal. We can all probably cite examples when something like that has happened, times when we've been ashamed to be a part of the same group that the criminal belongs to. That's a perfectly human reaction. What we must avoid doing though is committing the No true ScotsmanWP fallacy. In your case you believe that no true Muslim would perpetrate such a large scale act of terrorism, so you are forced to conclude that the perpetrators are not Muslims. Again, this is a perfectly human reaction, but it is not a rational reaction.

To say that all Muslims are terrorists is absurd, but to say that no Muslims are terrorists is equally absurd. Making blanket statements about what any group (e.g., Muslim, Christian or Jew) is and is not capable of is not only wrongheaded, it has been the cause of a lot of suffering throughout history.

Agree. It would seem to be the main motivation for a lot of the denialism I hear in Turkey. Muslims unfortunately had plenty of prior "form" in acts of terrorism and hijacking. Air France Flight 8969WP is an interesting case. Its pretty clear why they wanted all the extra fuel for their trip to Paris.
 
Four your information: My creativity is limited to the possible facts. The impossible theories are not mine. I know, that reduces my creativity! But it results in 100% true events.

How did you work that one out?
 
Brilliant. You are confused about the cellphone calls so you throw out all the airphone calls.
You are a complete screw-up.

You really ought to get in touch with Anders Lindman on the 'Warring no planers' thread - he'll show you conclusive non-evidence that there were no planes at all, let alone planes rigged with cruise missile guidance systems and poison gas.

You two should compare your non-evidence and see which is stronger! Personally I think Anders will win the argument, as his non-evidence is 10X stronger than your non-evidence. (multiples of zero, y'know)

LOL

ETA here's a link to Ander's first post on that thread
I would love a thread on JREF purely for truthers to hammer out their differences of opinion, no planers v planers. However, unless it was moderated it would fail because too many debunkers here at JREF wouldn't be able to stop themselves from posting which would ruin the whole stundielicious spectacle as each side wrangled with one another. :(

We could have a side thread discussing the truther thread though or is that the Stundie nominations? :D
 
Originally Posted by mehmetin
Thanks for your input. During longtime I thought what happened to the Pilots? First I thought that the control system can use non-reversible gear box making the pilots unable to stop or move the automatic movement of flight controls. But if pilots remain alive, they'll make every possible think to crash the plane into the ground, stop the engines, stop other systems, ... Then arrive the solution: the pilots should be killed.


Don't you see what you are doing there? You are starting with the assumption that there were no (Muslim) hijackers, which pretty much forces you to consider those other unwieldy (not to mention unlikely) scenarios that you outlined in the post I quoted. A responsible and dispassionate investigator (professional or amateur) must go where the evidence leads them, not begin their investigation with a foregone conclusion then attempt to awkwardly shoehorn the evidence to fit their conclusion.

No. You missed one point! When people like Meyssan questioned the attacks, I began to investigate. But that was only the Pentagon strike. The towers remained Arabs made. Then the question was : If the planes of the towers were also USA made? Is that possible? Yes, that’s possible, electronic systems are so perfect that they are able to make everything. How to decide who made the strikes, Arabs or USA?

The answer was : USA will make the strikes by setting up ONE SECRET TEAM and give them all required means to make the strikes. But that one team operation will create some difference between the Arabs made 4 team operation. What’s the difference? In one team operation the hijacks will be successive serial made, in 4 teams operation the hijacks will be parallel made. When the time graphic was made in early 2003, I knew that Arabs did not make the strikes. Still today, there is no explanation of how 4 different teams made successive hijack.

Yes, after that time of 2003, I was sure Arabs are not involved in 9/11. After that, it was proved that there were no Muslim hijackers inside the planes. This is not an assumption. This is strong and definite evidence to remove Muslims from the scenario.

By reverse, I checked every detail to explain the complete events as theya re made by USA. Every time I asked a question, the answer came very quickly. Finally I explained all events. At first I thought USA and Bush administration made the strikes. Only in mid 2007, I began to understand how big the involvement of Israelis/Zionists was. The evidence that opened the Israelis/Zionists/Jews involvement was the report that Dr. Zdenek Bazant wrote two days after the strikes.

The gassing of the pilots was one of the steps to be explained. Taking some hypothesis and checking the evidence that support it. When enough evidence was against any hypothesis, I had to search another explanation, compare to other evidences, … But when several evidences supported any hypothesis, I considered it stronger and stronger. Finally all evidence is explained and all actions are consistent. The evidences are interconnected each to other and all are consistent with the main explanation of the events.

In that case of gassing the pilots, we have these evidences:
- All 8 pilots were unable to key the hijack code. That shows they were dead extremely quickly.
- In the first plane, the pilots were dead within 16 seconds, very short. And the official story explained that as being the takeover! Do you imagine how the probability of such takeover be made exactly between two orders of the air traffic controller Pete Zalewski? We can tell almost null.
- The communications between the air space control and the pilots in both AA11 and UA175.
All those evidences need to be explained. The official story is silent about all that stuff.

Do you still think that’s starting from an assumption?

It's humiliating and disturbing when a member of one's own family/tribe/community/political party/country/religious group/etc. commits a shameful criminal act, especially if we fear that our own personal reputations might somehow be tainted by the actions of the criminal. We can all probably cite examples when something like that has happened, times when we've been ashamed to be a part of the same group that the criminal belongs to. That's a perfectly human reaction. What we must avoid doing though is committing the No true ScotsmanWP fallacy. In your case you believe that no true Muslim would perpetrate such a large scale act of terrorism, so you are forced to conclude that the perpetrators are not Muslims. Again, this is a perfectly human reaction, but it is not a rational reaction.

Sorry, you are taking some assumptions about my opinion. Muslism are committing too many terror strikes in Palestine, Tchechnia, making war between themselves in Afghanistan, some extremism exists in Pakistan, … I will never support any terrorist in his actions. I can explain the reasons why the terror attack is made.

If you continue to think that my work is biased, you’ll leave the perpetrators of 9/11 free and they’ll make other terror attacks killing other Americans, other UK citizen, other Spanish people, other Europeans, other Arabs, …

What ever may claims could be, you should try to debunk my work by using scientific logical arguments. Let my origin, my faith aside, cross the border and learn to think impartially. I know it’s not easy. With all false media messages and slogans, it’s very difficult to imagine that a Muslim can be impartial. Aware of that, and that was told me by a non Muslim friend, I decided to be as much as possible true, independent, impartial.

To say that all Muslims are terrorists is absurd, but to say that no Muslims are terrorists is equally absurd. Making blanket statements about what any group (e.g., Muslim, Christian or Jew) is and is not capable of is not only wrongheaded, it has been the cause of a lot of suffering throughout history.

The history was different in different parts of the World. We should not consider the same history in all parts of the world. Yes, nationalist opinions in whole world made too much suffering. But nationalist opinions did never be enough big in Muslim world.
 
Originally Posted by mehmetin
You should ask yourself how biased you are! If you were a little bit technically skilled people, you'll understand that I am mainly speaking on technical aspects. So I am technical designer!

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

I just think that you think that a Muslim could not be a technical designer. That's all.

I didn't have that stereotype before, but you sure are doing your best to change my mind.

You can think as you want. I only try to avoid insulting others.

The problem is honesty and foolishness/stupidity/gullibility are not mutually exclusive traits.

But being a good technician and being honest is in some amount an exclusive for. :)
 
I like the peace aspects of 911peace.org as much as I like the truth aspects of ae911truth.org. We are indeed sister organizations.!

Sorry! I do not more believe xxx911truth.yyy! I know, this is a little bit strong to tell. But I can not trust architects who supports thermite theory, or show small core columns, or speak out about molten metal found weeks after the strikes, or mini nukes to demolish the towers, or speak out about missile or global hawk or a military plane on the Pentagon, ...

As Muslim, I want to be independent from any other organization, including most of Muslim ones. I do not more believe scholars for 911 truth, scholars for 911 truth and justice, 911truth, pilots for 911 truth, patriots for 911 truth, veterans for 911 truth, firefighters for 911 truth, religious leaders for 911 truth, politicians for 911 truth, ...

Yes, what I tell here is big. But I want to remain honest and openly tell what actually I am. I do not more believe those groups. They only produced confusion, paranoid minds, lies, wrong theories. And I tried to make them focus the truth. I tried to remove false theories. I asked them repeatedly to remove their debunked theories. Always they continued their lies.

Now, I am tired. I want to focus facts, strong evidences. I do not want to waste more time with those groups. I do not speak about them. But they must know that if they come to interfere with my work, try to introduce any relation to their wrong theories, I'll be direct.

I hope that’s clear for all truther groups. If anybody want to speak about the facts, the science of the strikes, the strong evidences, … he is welcome. But do not bring truther group names in my work. I definitely left them.
 
Whether you are a "good" technician has been judged and you have failed.
Your comprehension of the situation is very low level.
Inventing silly inclusions of incompatible control systems in 4 seperate airplanes is one indication, showing you have no knowledge of how airplane systems operate at all.
The refusal to accept the performance of the Arab highjackers as the causative agents is another, as is your refusal to acknowledge their Muslim status.
This of course reflects on your "honesty", which is also a fail.
There's all sorts of lunatic sites where such dishonesty and ineptness is accepted and praised.
This is not one of those.
 
Why not simply accept the blatantly obvious fact that 19 Muslims and their supporters conspired to carry out the 9/11 attacks? There is no hidden hand. There are no Israeli puppeteers. There is simply a group of insane Muslims called Al Qaida who conducted the attacks. This doesn't mean that all Muslims are terrorists or agree with Bin Laden. I know for a fact that vast majority of Turks do not. Instead of finding made up reasons to pretend the attackers weren't Muslims why don't you try to confront the fact that there are some really insane Muslims out there who are very dangerous?
 
I hope that’s clear for all truther groups. If anybody want to speak about the facts, the science of the strikes, the strong evidences, … he is welcome. But do not bring truther group names in my work. I definitely left them.

You have NO idea how much this sounds like different sects of a cult arguing among themselves.

You see yourself as an objective seeker of truth. We see you as a member of a tiny irrational cult. We see you as you are; you see yourself as you wish you would be.
 

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