Warring No planer factions- Shansksville and Pentagon no-planers vs WTC no planers

Sunstealer said:
So you are debunking your own theory. Great work.
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No, the towers collapsed at different times. The white smoke could possibly have appeared some time before each collapse, i.e. at different moments in time. The Rense photo only shows one such point in time.
 
beachnut said:
A fake paper, it proves the dust they found was not thermite. Should have taken chemical engineering, but you did not.

The paper is a lie, they found dust. They lied to support their paranoid conspiracy theories. The paper included Jones, he thing the United Stated caused the earthquake in Haiti, Jones may be insane on 911 and Haiti.
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But the paper is maybe peer-reviewed?
 
Anders Lindman said:
Look at the damage from the supposed right wing tip: http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pentagon/docs/wtc_fires_dsnc1775A.jpg It looks like cuts in the exterior steel columns. Looks suspicious. Plus all the floors would have made huge stoppers.

I have already explained how the 'cookie cutter' shapes of planes with inward-bending columns could have been created using explosives.
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A moronic lie, it was caused by a 767. You should have taken physics.

RADAR data proves it was a 767. You should have studied flying, and ATC, RADAR, and more. You make up lies; why? Out of ignorance or to give me typing practice.

You post lies. The right wing tip; the aluminum cladding is disturbed, looks like an aircraft impact. Darn i am right, I have a video of the impact and RADAR verifies it.

Gosh, you are lies are debunked by facts you can't comprehend. Why are you posting lies, coping idiotic ideas and pasting them here?

A thin 4 inch light weight concrete floor is going to stop an aircraft with 1,300 pounds of TNT kinetic energy? NO

A thin 4 inch floor of light weigh concrete is going to stop an impact equal in energy to 2,093 pounds of TNT? No

Sorry, your lack of knowledge of what the WTC is made of is keep you in the dark on why an aircraft entered the WTC. Got physics?

The cool part is you are not going to check my physics, you will spew more lies, and then more lies and nonsensical garbage. You have no evidence, and you seem to copy and paste, as if you don't type fast enough to do original work, or original thinking.
 
Craig4 said:
I'll help you out here. The plane had already breeched the facade when the fire started. The fuel tanks did rupture during the breeching creating a droplet cloud which ignited in an expanding vapor explosion.
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What I'm saying is that a lot of jet fuel should have been splashed across the facade causing a large fire on the outside of the building. As an illustration, imagine a raw egg hitting a tennis racked at very high velocity. All of the egg would not pass through the racked. A fair amount of the egg would splash across the racket.
 
Anders Lindman said:
What I'm saying is that a lot of jet fuel should have been splashed across the facade causing a large fire on the outside of the building. As an illustration, imagine a raw egg hitting a tennis racked at very high velocity. All of the egg would not pass through the racked. A fair amount of the egg would splash across the racket.
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The plane breeched the building. The jet fuel wouldn't have splashed on the facade with the plane was inside the building when the fuel tanks ruptured causing the droplet cloud.
 
Anders Lindman said:
What I'm saying is that a lot of jet fuel should have been splashed across the facade causing a large fire on the outside of the building. As an illustration, imagine a raw egg hitting a tennis racked at very high velocity. All of the egg would not pass through the racked. A fair amount of the egg would splash across the racket.
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You are wrong, the jet fuel would enter the building, most of the jet fuel would be inside the WTC.

You forgot to do F=1/2mv2; again.

Your analogy is nonsense, and does not support your failed claim. You ignore reality and make up lies, real dumb ones.

Anders Lindman said:
But the paper is maybe peer-reviewed?
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Peer-reviewed, by a bunch of nut case paranoid conspiracy theorists - the perfect peer reviewers for lies about 911. The paper is nonsense, if it was true, a real paper, it would earn a Pulitzer prize instead of being ignored by the entire world. A fake paper, published in a vanity journal. They paid to have the paper published, they made it up.

The big clue comes when there is zero products of thermite at the WTC. Do you know what the products of thermite are?

Anders Lindman said:
They talk about peak speed, which I take it is the maximum possible speed for the plane. Take a car for example. It has a top speed. The car cannot go faster than the top speed. In the same way, correct me if I'm wrong, the peak speed is the top speed for an airplane.

There is also talk about how flight 175 did a steep dive and leveled out just before the impact. That would perhaps allow for a speed above the peak speed. And in several videos the dive and the leveling out of flight 175 can be seen. BUT, as shown in September Clues, one video shows a perfectly level flight over a long distance all the way to the tower! Without any dive!!! Major inconsistency in the videos.
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Nonsense

What? Please explain what is the top speed of a 767. What is the speed a 767 can't do? Show your work.

Sorry, the videos show are each a different perspective, you need to study lens, and optical science; bet you forgot to do that. What? Gain knowledge.

Why are you completely wrong on 911 issues? Are you still in grade school? Why do you make up lies, and repeat lies?
 
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You do know that the editor of the journal in which Harrit's paper was published resigned in protest over the publication right? None of the results in the paper have ever been repeated and the peer review was done by people Harrit knew.
 
beachnut said:
You mean you make up the lies you post without checking all the available source?

You have no idea there is RADAR?

Can't you do basic research, or are you only capable of posting lies you make up void of evidence, void of logic, and really stupid?
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If the no plane theory is correct, then there would be no true radar data, only at best fake radar data.
 
Anders Lindman said:
If the no plane theory is correct, then there would be no true radar data, only at best fake radar data.
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If the no-plane theory was correct, no one would die in NYC. Your lies are nonsense, only idiots will believe your lies.

http://www.ntsb.gov/info/foia_fri.htm

Add thousands of people to your list of faking data, add them to your lies. Have to add me too, I was on active duty on 911, in the USAF. Now you can say I am telling lies to satisfy your failed claims and insane no-plane delusions.

The RADAR data is real, and not a thing you can do will change it. Your lies can't change reality. When will your get out of grade school?


http://www.ntsb.gov/info/Flight_ Path_ Study_AA11.pdf too hard for 911 truth to find

http://www.ntsb.gov/info/Flight_ Path _Study_UA175.pdf much too hard for 911 truth to find

http://www.ntsb.gov/info/Rec_Radar_ Data_ Study_all _aircraft.pdf Why can't 911 truth find truth?


They are not looking...
 
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beachnut said:
If the no-plane theory was correct, no one would die in NYC. Your lies are nonsense, only idiots will believe your lies.

http://www.ntsb.gov/info/foia_fri.htm

Add thousands of people to your list of faking data, add them to your lies. Have to add me too, I was on active duty on 911, in the USAF. Now you can say I am telling lies to satisfy your failed claims and insane no-plane delusions.

The RADAR data is real, and not a thing you can do will change it. Your lies can't change reality. When will your get out of grade school?


http://www.ntsb.gov/info/Flight_ Path_ Study_AA11.pdf too hard for 911 truth to find

http://www.ntsb.gov/info/Flight_ Path _Study_UA175.pdf much too hard for 911 truth to find

http://www.ntsb.gov/info/Rec_Radar_ Data_ Study_all _aircraft.pdf Why can't 911 truth find truth?


They are not looking...
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I looked briefly at: http://www.ntsb.gov/info/Flight_ Path _Study_UA175.pdf

The map showing position of flight 175 suspiciously omits the path towards the WTC. The text only says: "G Heading towards NYC" And then it ends!

Another diagram shows what is called Pressure Altitude, and there there is a sharp drop after point G in the graph. But that diagram too looks suspicious to me. Something doesn't feel right.
 
Anders Lindman said:
I looked briefly at: http://www.ntsb.gov/info/Flight_ Path _Study_UA175.pdf

The map showing position of flight 175 suspiciously omits the path towards the WTC. The text only says: "G Heading towards NYC" And then it ends!

Another diagram shows what is called Pressure Altitude, and there there is a sharp drop after point G in the graph. But that diagram too looks suspicious to me. Something doesn't feel right.
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You can get the RADAR tapes by doing a FOIA. It seems if you have questions on 911 you would do the work required.

The graph is right, it is easy to read and understand. Looks suspicious, why? Are you a pilot? Are you an engineer? The graph is normal, it is what happened on 911. You could get help from pilots and engineers - which you are here, but you ignore it.

Anders Lindman said:
I looked briefly at: http://www.ntsb.gov/info/Flight_%20Path%20_Study_UA175.pdf
... Something doesn't feel right.
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Briefly, and it doesn't feel right. Have you worked on aerodynamic issues before?
 
Anders Lindman said:
The pressure altitude graph is from, as I understand it, three radar stations. It looks like they have gathered all the fake radar data into only one of the stations.
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You push the lie many RADAR sites posted fake data, based on nothing, but feeling. You just added a few hundred more people you personally have to call liars to make your lies come true.

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You are so nice saying people faked data to kill 3,000 of their own people. Real nice of you. Thank you very much.

Each different color another RADAR site you say faked data. How many people lied about 911 to form your idiotic no-plane delusion? How did you miss this data?

Where are you hiding your evidence to support your feelings?
When will you contact the FBI to report your no-plane findings?
 
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A speculative Hollywood scenario would be that floor 81 in the South Tower was filled with UPS batteries, but that they really were Thermite boxes disguised as batteries. And that the boxes were fire-proof against ordinary office fire. And then at a programmed time, or triggered by remote control, the Thermite inside the boxes was ignited a couple of minutes before explosives were triggered under the basement of the tower and about 10 seconds after that the 81st floor weakened by Thermite snapped and the tower started to collapse.
 
Anders Lindman said:
A speculative Hollywood scenario would be that floor 81 in the South Tower was filled with UPS batteries, but that they really were Thermite boxes disguised as batteries. And that the boxes were fire-proof against ordinary office fire. And then at a programmed time, or triggered by remote control, the Thermite inside the boxes was ignited a couple of minutes before explosives were triggered under the basement of the tower and about 10 seconds after that the 81st floor weakened by Thermite snapped and the tower started to collapse.
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Off topic. Do you know what the topic is?

The only thing this has in common with idiotic failed no-plane lies is the fantasy lies.
 
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beachnut said:
You push the lie many RADAR sites posted fake data, based on nothing, but feeling. You just added a few hundred more people you personally have to call liars to make your lies come true.

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You are so nice saying people faked data to kill 3,000 of their own people. Real nice of you. Thank you very much.

Each different color another RADAR site you say faked data. How many people lied about 911 to form your idiotic no-plane delusion? How did you miss this data?

Where are you hiding your evidence to support your feelings?
When will you contact the FBI to report your no-plane findings?
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No, only one radar station is mentioned having registered the pressure drop (although I haven't read the entire document). And no, I don't say that they faked radar data to kill people, only that they faked radar data as a part of a massive cover-up in the name of national security.
 
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