Warring No planer factions- Shansksville and Pentagon no-planers vs WTC no planers

Anders Lindman said:
Yeah, but why would the smoke from the left tower in the picture suddenly look so different than the ordinary black smoke from the other tower? Looks mightily suspect to me.
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See, your problem is that you looked a single moment in time (a picture) with all sorts of neat-o captions and you're in. http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/therm3.jpg

Here's the video. It's dust. Here is two clips from a compilation that show how the cloud develops from pretty much the same angle. (The Rense pic looks like it was probably shot from Brooklyn)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFiEgwLQVJk#t=1m45s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFiEgwLQVJk#t=8m
It doesn't really have any lift to it, just kind of blows out and hangs there and the rest of the cloud envelops it.

Here's the kind of smoke a half ton of thermite gives off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPAYZMzGMwQ#t=4m09s
"That's what I'm talkin about."

In the pic above, the plane entered on the left, hence the grayer, less burning of fuel. On the right is the fireball that follows the momentum of the plane. The white "smoke" (dust) appears to either be a result of the wingtip or 30 something years worth of dust being ejected from vents due to the overpressure of the plane entering the building. Hard to tell on ****** resolution Youtube clips.

Anyone have a link to full resolution videos?
 
Anders Lindman said:
That the fireball explosions should have started directly at impact, with lots of jet fuel splashed across the facade of the towers. For example the floors would have constituted an enormous horizontal resistance, and the wings hit the facades at an angle, intersecting several floors.
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Um... The "facade" was the aluminum cladding that was very thin. Directly under that was the load bearing structure. Also the "facade", or what most would call the outer columns, wasn't a solid piece of steel 12 inches thick with no windows. The columns were also hollow.
 
First off, the bolts connecting the columns were designed to affix them into their alignment with each other, to provide a direct path for the load to travel groundward. The bolts were not designed to handle the force of a 100-ton mass slamming into the columns, they sheared the moment they were hit. In otherwords the plane didn't need to "cut" the columns to pass through, and the fact is, they didn't. The columns were pushed off their connections, and the connections themselves broke. Thread ended. Those believing in holograms... I'd offer some advice but I'm afraid my advice would violate the membership agreement, but I'm sure something about seeking consultation would be somewhere in the neighborhood and all...
 
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alienentity said:
Everything looks suspicious to a paranoid conspiracy theorist who sees conspiracy everywhere. :D

Here's a building on fire with white smoke. Is that also from therm*te? Please tell us..

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The strange thing with the towers is that in one tower there was black smoke and from the other white smoke. Or, I haven't checked this, if my theory is correct, then both towers should show white smoke, at least when the thermite was ignited (perhaps a short time before the collapse of each tower).
 
A W Smith said:
Do you know where the fuel tanks are on 757/767? I will give you a hint. Not in the nose.
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The fireball explosions should have started directly at impact, with lots of jet fuel splashed across the facade of the towers. For example the floors would have constituted an enormous horizontal resistance, and the wings (still with a lot of jet fuel in them) hit the facades at an angle, intersecting several floors.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Nothing happened to any aircraft since they never existed in the first place. What we have are a couple of videos and photos that are fake. No single agency needed to have been involved. For example, the floors rigged with explosives were occupied by bank and insurance companies etc. Not even any major television network needed to have been involved in the initial conspiracy (except for a few people such as a CNN boss who was one of the (or the first) [false] witnesses of the first plane).
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You do realise that there are photographs of these aircraft operating before 9/11 don't you. There are also testimonies of pilots who flew them. And testimonies of people who saw them depart.

How can an aircraft not exist when it's registration number is clearly logged and is visible to photographers and pilots? http://www.clubhotrod.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=13810&ppuser=17169 How did UA buy a non existent plane?


Craig4 said:
If no planes hit the World Trade Center, what caused the damage?
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Anders Lindman said:
Explosives.
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Anders Lindman said:
I believe floor 81 in the South Tower was rigged with tons of Thermite, and Fuji Bank rented that floor. So some Fuji Bank employees may be guilty, but that's just a weak link, but anyway.
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You do realise that thermite is not an explosive. (probably not)

In all my life I've never heard anything so crazy - it's just BS. Why do you do it?
 
Justin39640 said:
Here's the kind of smoke a half ton of thermite gives off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPAYZMzGMwQ#t=4m09s
"That's what I'm talkin about."
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That looks similar to the Rense picture. I thought about the possibility of it being dust, but I don't think it is.

What I would like to know is if such white smoke could be seen from BOTH towers (perhaps some brief time before each collapse).
 
Anders Lindman said:
The fireball explosions should have started directly at impact, with lots of jet fuel splashed across the facade of the towers. For example the floors would have constituted an enormous horizontal resistance, and the wings (still with a lot of jet fuel in them) hit the facades at an angle, intersecting several floors.
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Please tell us where you think the fuel is stored on a 767 - provide a diagram. Hint - it's not in the nose.
 
Anders Lindman said:
The strange thing with the towers is that in one tower there was black smoke and from the other white smoke. Or, I haven't checked this, if my theory is correct, then both towers should show white smoke, at least when the thermite was ignited (perhaps a short time before the collapse of each tower).
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So you are debunking your own theory. Great work.
 
Justin39640 said:
Um... The "facade" was the aluminum cladding that was very thin. Directly under that was the load bearing structure. Also the "facade", or what most would call the outer columns, wasn't a solid piece of steel 12 inches thick with no windows. The columns were also hollow.
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By facade I also mean the exterior steel columns AND all the steel and concrete floors that the planes had to face directly at impact.
 
Anders Lindman said:
The fireball explosions should have started directly at impact, with lots of jet fuel splashed across the facade of the towers. For example the floors would have constituted an enormous horizontal resistance, and the wings (still with a lot of jet fuel in them) hit the facades at an angle, intersecting several floors.
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I'll help you out here. The plane had already breeched the facade when the fire started. The fuel tanks did rupture during the breeching creating a droplet cloud which ignited in an expanding vapor explosion.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
First off, the bolts connecting the columns were designed to affix them into their alignment with each other, to provide a direct path for the load to travel groundward. The bolts were not designed to handle the force of a 100-ton mass slamming into the columns, they sheared the moment they were hit. In otherwords the plane didn't need to "cut" the columns to pass through, and the fact is, they didn't. The columns were pushed off their connections, and the connections themselves broke. Thread ended. Those believing in holograms... I'd offer some advice but I'm afraid my advice would violate the membership agreement, but I'm sure something about seeking consultation would be somewhere in the neighborhood and all...
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That sounds plausible (except the tips of the wings seemed to have sliced through the steel columns but I could be wrong). Still, the many floors the planes hit at impact would have been very sturdy.
 
Anders Lindman said:
The strange thing with the towers is that in one tower there was black smoke and from the other white smoke. Or, I haven't checked this, if my theory is correct, then both towers should show white smoke, at least when the thermite was ignited (perhaps a short time before the collapse of each tower).
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Residue of thermite please.
 
Sunstealer said:
You do realise that there are photographs of these aircraft operating before 9/11 don't you. There are also testimonies of pilots who flew them. And testimonies of people who saw them depart.

How can an aircraft not exist when it's registration number is clearly logged and is visible to photographers and pilots? http://www.clubhotrod.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=13810&ppuser=17169 How did UA buy a non existent plane?






You do realise that thermite is not an explosive. (probably not)

In all my life I've never heard anything so crazy - it's just BS. Why do you do it?
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AND, flight 175 was still flying in the air after it supposed to have hit the South Tower (see previous posts). Thermite is not explosive but produces very high temperatures, enough to easily melt steel.
 
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The impact, exactly that of a 767. The kinetic energy was so great the aircraft entered the WTC fuel and aircraft, before the time it take to ignite the jet fuel. A fact no-planers can't comprehend due to not understating physics.

911 truth no-planers have to lie and say the impact zone was done by explosives. They can't explain how the columns were bent into the WTC, in the shape of an aircraft.
 
beachnut said:
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The impact, exactly that of a 767. The kinetic energy was so great the aircraft entered the WTC fuel and aircraft, before the time it take to ignite the jet fuel. A fact no-planers can't comprehend due to not understating physics.

911 truth no-planers have to lie and say the impact zone was done by explosives. They can't explain how the columns were bent into the WTC, in the shape of an aircraft.
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Look at the damage from the supposed right wing tip: http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pentagon/docs/wtc_fires_dsnc1775A.jpg It looks like cuts in the exterior steel columns. Looks suspicious. Plus all the floors would have made huge stoppers.

I have already explained how the 'cookie cutter' shapes of planes with inward-bending columns could have been created using explosives.
 
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