JohnG
Pedantic Bore
mehmetin,
You know that plot you keep coyly hinting at parts of (missile guidance systems fitted to jets, voice morphing technology, planted evidence) but never explaining in detail? Sure it's an evil plan, no doubt, but do you believe that it is a good plan? Is it a sound plan with a decent chance of success? Remember, if you are right about the conspirators, it's not enough that the attacks themselves are successful and Muslims implicated, that's difficult enough. For the plot to be successful, it also has to remain undiscovered for well, at least during the lifetime of the conspirators, if not longer. Even if we grant for the sake of argument that a group of (dozens?, hundreds?, thousands?) of soldiers, bureaucrats, aircraft engineers, common civilians, et al. would agree to participate in such a dastardly scheme against their fellow Americans, who in their right mind would agree to participate in such a perversely unwieldy plot? Let's take a closer look at just one small part of it; your claim that the passengers on the jets were impersonated with voice morphing technology in the airphone/cell phone calls to their loved ones. Have you really thought that through? There are so many opportunities for something to go wrong with the scheme even if (and it's a big "if") the idea could work in principle. To show you just one small and simple way the scheme could have been foiled, here's a true story:
Back in the early nineties an old friend of mine got me a free airline ticket so I could go visit him. He travelled a lot on business and had more frequent flyer miles than he knew what to do with. The only catch was that he had to get the ticket under his name and I therefore had to pretend to be him when checking in at the ticket counter. You may find this very hard to believe (even I do nearly 20 years on), but I actually got away with it. In those days passengers were not expected to show any form of ID, at least not at the airport I was flying out of. As far as the airline is concerned, it was my friend, not I who flew on that flight. Now imagine for a moment that I had been flying on one of the ill-fated flights on the morning of 9/11. Further imagine that Mossad and whoever else you think was involved saw my friend's name on the passenger list and decided that he was one of the calls they were going to fake, little knowing that he isn't actually on the flight. Further imagine that they make the somber call to my friend's parents, only my friend happens to be sitting in their living room with them when the supposed goodbye call from their "son" comes through. That would be pretty strong evidence that there was more to the hijacked flight than met the eye, wouldn't it? That one small slip-up could have given the whole game away. I could name a half dozen other ways off the top of my head that would have completely messed up that part of the plan, causing the entire scheme to come crashing down like a house of cards. Why would they gamble on such an absurdly risky, convoluted (not to mention breathtakingly evil) scheme, when the smallest slip-up could mean the gallows for them and their cohorts?
I've told you before that you believe in your Mossad conspiracy theory because you need to believe it to such an extent that it's virtually impossible to believe anything else at this point. This has blinded you to the utterly absurd theory you are clinging to. It's like someone who pulls into a parking space in a shopping center multi-level parking garage. He leaves the car to do some shopping and comes back an hour later to find his car is missing. He walks up one level in the garage and finds his car in the same relative space he thought he had parked it, only one level higher than he remembered. Believing himself to have a perfect memory, the man will not allow himself to even consider the possibility that he might have simply misremembered where he parked his car.
He checks his car and finds no sign of forced entry and his odometer remains unchanged from when he left the car. Since he is certain of his infallibility, he is forced to conclude that the car was broken into by professionals and that the odometer was possibly tampered with or that the car was towed to the other space as some sort of odd prank. He questions passersby to see if anyone had witnessed the car being moved and everyone he asks insists they saw nothing of the kind. One woman even insists that the car never moved because she saw him pull in to the space. From this our man assumes that the woman and the other witnesses are part of the conspiracy to make him look foolish. The man then goes to the store security team and demands to view their security tapes of the parking garage during the time in question. The Guards show him the tape and the man sees that sure enough, the car wasn't moved or tampered with in any way while the man was in the store. Again, though, the man is sure of his memory and so assumes the guards must be "in on it", too and have tampered with the tape. In the space of a half hour the man has constructed a vast conspiracy theory to explain his car ending up in another space and all because the possibility of him simply being wrong about where he had parked the car was something he was incapable of processing.
Incidentally, the initial premise is also a true story and happened to me. Unlike the proud but paranoid man in my story, however, I pretty much immediately figured that it was far more likely that I had misremembered where I had parked rather than there being some grand conspiracy meant to make me look foolish or even doubt my sanity. While I don't absolutely rule out some sort of odd practical joke involving dozens of conspirators, it seems so unlikely that I don't consider it worth even thinking about. Now, if one of the security guards came forward later and admitted to participating in the scheme, I'd listen to him and based on what he said, reappraise my opinion of what happened, but no one to date has come forward, so it would be quite frankly crazy to give the incident a second thought.
I don't believe you to be a particularly immoral or unintelligent person, but I have to warn you that your prejudices and preconceptions, coupled with a lack of any real knowledge in all of the subjects you have the arrogance to lecture others here on are making you appear to be bigoted and somewhat stupid.
You know that plot you keep coyly hinting at parts of (missile guidance systems fitted to jets, voice morphing technology, planted evidence) but never explaining in detail? Sure it's an evil plan, no doubt, but do you believe that it is a good plan? Is it a sound plan with a decent chance of success? Remember, if you are right about the conspirators, it's not enough that the attacks themselves are successful and Muslims implicated, that's difficult enough. For the plot to be successful, it also has to remain undiscovered for well, at least during the lifetime of the conspirators, if not longer. Even if we grant for the sake of argument that a group of (dozens?, hundreds?, thousands?) of soldiers, bureaucrats, aircraft engineers, common civilians, et al. would agree to participate in such a dastardly scheme against their fellow Americans, who in their right mind would agree to participate in such a perversely unwieldy plot? Let's take a closer look at just one small part of it; your claim that the passengers on the jets were impersonated with voice morphing technology in the airphone/cell phone calls to their loved ones. Have you really thought that through? There are so many opportunities for something to go wrong with the scheme even if (and it's a big "if") the idea could work in principle. To show you just one small and simple way the scheme could have been foiled, here's a true story:
Back in the early nineties an old friend of mine got me a free airline ticket so I could go visit him. He travelled a lot on business and had more frequent flyer miles than he knew what to do with. The only catch was that he had to get the ticket under his name and I therefore had to pretend to be him when checking in at the ticket counter. You may find this very hard to believe (even I do nearly 20 years on), but I actually got away with it. In those days passengers were not expected to show any form of ID, at least not at the airport I was flying out of. As far as the airline is concerned, it was my friend, not I who flew on that flight. Now imagine for a moment that I had been flying on one of the ill-fated flights on the morning of 9/11. Further imagine that Mossad and whoever else you think was involved saw my friend's name on the passenger list and decided that he was one of the calls they were going to fake, little knowing that he isn't actually on the flight. Further imagine that they make the somber call to my friend's parents, only my friend happens to be sitting in their living room with them when the supposed goodbye call from their "son" comes through. That would be pretty strong evidence that there was more to the hijacked flight than met the eye, wouldn't it? That one small slip-up could have given the whole game away. I could name a half dozen other ways off the top of my head that would have completely messed up that part of the plan, causing the entire scheme to come crashing down like a house of cards. Why would they gamble on such an absurdly risky, convoluted (not to mention breathtakingly evil) scheme, when the smallest slip-up could mean the gallows for them and their cohorts?
I've told you before that you believe in your Mossad conspiracy theory because you need to believe it to such an extent that it's virtually impossible to believe anything else at this point. This has blinded you to the utterly absurd theory you are clinging to. It's like someone who pulls into a parking space in a shopping center multi-level parking garage. He leaves the car to do some shopping and comes back an hour later to find his car is missing. He walks up one level in the garage and finds his car in the same relative space he thought he had parked it, only one level higher than he remembered. Believing himself to have a perfect memory, the man will not allow himself to even consider the possibility that he might have simply misremembered where he parked his car.
He checks his car and finds no sign of forced entry and his odometer remains unchanged from when he left the car. Since he is certain of his infallibility, he is forced to conclude that the car was broken into by professionals and that the odometer was possibly tampered with or that the car was towed to the other space as some sort of odd prank. He questions passersby to see if anyone had witnessed the car being moved and everyone he asks insists they saw nothing of the kind. One woman even insists that the car never moved because she saw him pull in to the space. From this our man assumes that the woman and the other witnesses are part of the conspiracy to make him look foolish. The man then goes to the store security team and demands to view their security tapes of the parking garage during the time in question. The Guards show him the tape and the man sees that sure enough, the car wasn't moved or tampered with in any way while the man was in the store. Again, though, the man is sure of his memory and so assumes the guards must be "in on it", too and have tampered with the tape. In the space of a half hour the man has constructed a vast conspiracy theory to explain his car ending up in another space and all because the possibility of him simply being wrong about where he had parked the car was something he was incapable of processing.
Incidentally, the initial premise is also a true story and happened to me. Unlike the proud but paranoid man in my story, however, I pretty much immediately figured that it was far more likely that I had misremembered where I had parked rather than there being some grand conspiracy meant to make me look foolish or even doubt my sanity. While I don't absolutely rule out some sort of odd practical joke involving dozens of conspirators, it seems so unlikely that I don't consider it worth even thinking about. Now, if one of the security guards came forward later and admitted to participating in the scheme, I'd listen to him and based on what he said, reappraise my opinion of what happened, but no one to date has come forward, so it would be quite frankly crazy to give the incident a second thought.
I don't believe you to be a particularly immoral or unintelligent person, but I have to warn you that your prejudices and preconceptions, coupled with a lack of any real knowledge in all of the subjects you have the arrogance to lecture others here on are making you appear to be bigoted and somewhat stupid.
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