Which Conspiracy Theories Do You Find LEAST Convincing?

[Rolfe]

I didn't misstate it.

Though we might quibble about which CTs are "more convincing," the important thing is that Rolfe should be entertained. I failed to do so.

But this is of no importance at this point because Rolfe is now on ignore as are you after I post this. I would suggest you both reciprocate in kind and get back to whatever you find entertaining.

Could I suggest again that you read for comprehension?

I'm interested in conspiracy theories that are more convincing. That is, ones that might really have happened. That's the main point I was trying to get across.

Then, being brutally honest, I admitted I sometimes read the threads on the batsqueak crazy nonsense, for entertainment. And I follow the Stundie threads, for much the same reason. Has that suddenly become a crime?

It seemed to me, when this thread first appeared as an obvious echo of the "which CTs are more convincing?" thread, that this was just one more attempt to get this forum back on track - that is, stop looking at stuff that might indicate real conspiracies happen, and return to the regular daily diet of shooting fish in a barrel.

So it's possible I was being unfair, and if that's so I apologise. However, to continually twist my professed interest in possibly-genuine conspiracy theories laced with occasional froth of looking at the FOTL and the Stundies to raise a smile, as "the important thing is that Rolfe should be entertained", is equally unfair.

Rolfe.

 

[jhunter1163]

Let's keep it civil and polite here, folks.

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[Travis]

Chemtrails has a lot of believers and I am at a total loss as to why.

 

[uke2se]

The idea that the Jews are capable of forging mountains of documents, making up a story about being exterminated, disseminating this story to all the Jews in the world without the non-Jews catching wind of it, using some Jedi mind trick to make Germans confess to trying to kill them all, fake millions of deaths, and keep the story going for seventy odd years. It just doesn't sound very plausible to me.

I don't get the joke.

This is exactly what you argue for in other threads.

Are you suffering from multiple personality disorder?

 

[gtm]

1) Reptilians & the ever expanding Ickian space opera fantasy

2) Alien abduction - why highly technologically advanced space faring aliens would want to shove probes into the back passages of moonshine addled hillbillies is beyond me. Surely they'd just access data from a medical school?

3) Elizabeth 11 is the world biggest narcotics trafficer according to the gospel of 'Lyndon Larouche'

4) Freemen on the Land - They say the law was subverted but go very quiet when put to proof as to who did. Their legal theories are laughable.

5) 9/11 - I watched it live on TV. Anyone who attempts to tell I didn't see what I saw is a blithering idiot.

6) 'Holohoax' - just insane. There is so much evidence to prove it happened.

 

[angrysoba]

Chemtrails has a lot of believers and I am at a total loss as to why.

Yes, I was thinking of something along those lines. In fact, I can't even think of a reason for chemtrails at all.

The trouble is that some conspiracy theories seem to be "gateway" theories. They seem fairly plausible enough and only require just a little bending of the normal rules of evidence and just a slight suspension of skepticism but over time this method of looking at the world spreads to other areas and you find yourself believing any old bollocks. If someone questions you about it all you need to say is "How do you know it's not true?" Once you become a hardened advocate of dispensing with any burden of proof then why not chemtrails, HAARP as earthquake machine, the queen of England is the world's biggest drug dealer and she's a reptilian relation of Barack Obama, the Islamic-Zionist-Bolshevik who was hatched in Kenya.

As for the ones Walter started with, I think 9/11 as inside job and Holocaust denial are astoundingly unconvincing but questioning whether JFK and MLK were killed by lone gunman are hardly in the same whackaloon ballpark. I think plenty of people abstractly believe there was a conspiracy but simply haven't looked in to each case very thoroughly.

(Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Gerald Posner believe that MLK had been killed in some kind of low-level conspiracy?)

 

[Dave Rogers]

Chemtrails. Totally East Ham.

Dave

 

[SOdhner]

The OP was perhaps misstated. I probably should should have said what widely accepted CTs do you find the least convincing. (And don't make the mistake of underestimating the extent of Holocaust denial.)

Fair enough. Not the reptilians then because they're not accepted enough, and not JFK because while it's unfounded it's also plausible when compared to some of the others. Hmm. I think I would have to go for the ones that would require a huge number of people to be involved for little payoff. That means Chemtrails doesn't quite make the cut. Freemen arguably could, but I don't really think of that as a conspiracy theory for some reason.

In no particular order:

Moon Landing is a Hoax
9/11 Truth Thing (specifically the idea that the planes weren't what caused the buildings to collapse)
Holocaust Didn't Happen

 

[Nick Terry]

Chemtrails. Totally East Ham.

Dave

Bloody Northerners, don't know their London geography. The version I knew when living in Manor Park is 'totally Dagenham Heathway', which is three stops past, whereas East Ham is one stop short of Barking.

 

[Walter Ego]

I don't get the joke.

This is exactly what you argue for in other threads.

Are you suffering from multiple personality disorder?

More likely Dogzilla is suffering from Waldheimer's syndrome.

What did you do during the war, daddy?

 

[dudalb]

My list in roughly descending order.

1. The Nazis didn't mass murder Jews with Zyklon B in concentration camps during WW2.

I listed this first because it's the most offensive.

2. 9/11 was an inside job.

(Interestingly the above two were conspiracies… by the Nazis and Osama bin Laden, et al, respectively. There is no convincing evidence whatsoever that the fingered culprits didn't do the dirty deeds.)

3. The Apollo moon landings were a hoax.

Again this defies credibility. Those radio astronomers in England, Australia and other places not in the U.S. or in U.S. controlled territories were listing to something that went to the moon and back. (The Russkies were listening in, too, would they have let us get away with such a massive hoax?)

4. JFK and MLK were not killed by "lone gunmen." There was a wider conspiracy in both cases.

I've lumped these two together because the evidence against Lee Harvey Oswald and James Earl Ray though largely circumstantial in both cases is convincing. (Oddly, there don't seem to be very many proliferating JFK assassination CTs. I wonder why?)

These four are the least convincing in my mind because we know the truth in each case and we have strong evidence for the "official" versions. The more diffuse NWO/ Illuminati/Masonic world domination CTs fail for other reasons. I could go on but you can add to the list.

Agree with the first three, but disagree..to a point...on #4.
The Kennedy/King Assaiantion theories are crap, but I would not put them right after the first 3 on the least convincing list. There are quite a few wackjob theories out there that are even more insane. The Davic Icke Repatilians are secretly ruling the world theory for one.
And the whole UFO/Area 51 stuff is also a lot crazier.

 

[ryanebelhar]

The FBI and the Philadelphia police department teamed up to frame a cab driver for murder just so they could eventually execute him, which 30 years later they still haven't done

 

[GlennB]

Chemtrails. Totally Catford dogs.

 

[Darat]

Freeman on the Land. Least convincing conspiracy theory ever. I can understand people who say "but you weren't there, so how can you REALLY know?" about the moon landings or JFK. I don't agree with that line of reasoning, but I can understand it. Then you get to FOTL. Anyone who believes it can put it to the test for themselves and find it doesn't work. AND THEY DO.

I agree - for me it is the sheer scale of the conspiracy that has me gasping.

When you get down to it FOTL requires a conspiracy that encompasses every official in the justice system (of more than one country), every college and university that teaches law, every police officer, traffic warden, council official and probably every lollipop-man/woman. In fact it is probably quicker to say who isn't involved. It makes me wonder who this conspiracy is aimed at?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

When you get down to it FOTL requires a conspiracy that encompasses every official in the justice system (of more than one country), every college and university that teaches law, every police officer, traffic warden, council official and probably every lollipop-man/woman. In fact it is probably quicker to say who isn't involved. It makes me wonder who this conspiracy is aimed at?

NWO conspiracism is nearly as large. Virtually every elected official above county dog-catcher has to be compromised to some extent.

 

[Chaos]

I agree - for me it is the sheer scale of the conspiracy that has me gasping.

When you get down to it FOTL requires a conspiracy that encompasses every official in the justice system (of more than one country), every college and university that teaches law, every police officer, traffic warden, council official and probably every lollipop-man/woman. In fact it is probably quicker to say who isn't involved. It makes me wonder who this conspiracy is aimed at?

In terms of "Holy living (bleep), how can anyone actually believe this (bleep)?" potential, I think FOTL ties with the whackier 9/11 versions, like the no-planers and the miniature nukes, but both "theories" have that potential for different reasons.

 

[Rolfe]

I was thinking about the Big Pharma conspiracy, where medicine is believed to be either deliberately concealing effective permanent cures for certain diseases in order to go on selling palliative treatments, or actually making people sick in order to profit from them.

But although it's nutty and irrational, it's not really in the same league as some of the above.

Rolfe.

 

[BTMO]

Reptoid aliens. People who believe in them are just sick nutters.

Excuse me - a kitten just walked in (dislocates jaw to eat it whole)...

 

[angrysoba]

I was thinking about the Big Pharma conspiracy, where medicine is believed to be either deliberately concealing effective permanent cures for certain diseases in order to go on selling palliative treatments, or actually making people sick in order to profit from them.

But although it's nutty and irrational, it's not really in the same league as some of the above.

Rolfe.

"AIDS was made in a lab to destroy the African/gay population" is a fairly commonly believed conspiracy theory.

Frank Zappa seemed to go in for some type of theory along those lines. Here he is displaying his ignorance knowledge about genetics, likening AIDS (I think) to a man-made version of sickle-cell anemia or Tay Sachs. Unfortunately, Zappa doesn't seem to know that there is nothing about sickle-cell anemia or Tay-Sachs which "target" the populations in which it is most pravalent in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_XDxbJvfyM

There are endless variations on this theme. Some anti-vaxxers not only believe vaccines cause autism but that that is part of their secret plan. I asked an anti-vaxxer friend of mine what the point would be and he became irritated at the question answering something along the lines of, "The pharmeceutical companies move in mysterious ways..." bolstering Karl Popper's assertion that the conspiracy theory explanation of society is, "We no longer believe in God. So who or what is in his place?"

 

[dudalb]

The FBI and the Philadelphia police department teamed up to frame a cab driver for murder just so they could eventually execute him, which 30 years later they still haven't done

I agree that the Mumia was framed routine is stupid, and I am amazed that otherwise intelligent people buy into it,but once again, it's just stupid,not nearly as batcrap crazy as a lot of the stuff out there.
What is upsetting is for many people the innocence of Mumia is not even a topic for discussion, but taken for granted.
If you want to argue that Mumia should not get the death penalty because the Death Penalty is wrong, fine, I can accept that although I don't agree. But to calim the Mumia was innocence in the face of all the evidence to the contrary is really stupid.
And I don't think anybody can do that good a job of framing.