The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

[achimspok]

So you accept that Atta was a hijacker?

I accept that we have at least 2 Attas.
I accept that the Portland video shows some similar person but was edited before it was presented as "evidence".
I accept that Attas voice as recorded at Boton Air Control sounds like a tape.

I accept that Atta and Jarrah both would have pushed the wrong button 2 or 3 times to address the passengers but talk to ATC without hearing the ATC.

I accept that someone tries to tell me that every single passenger stood calm even if the voice of the "captain" wasn't heard by the passengers and flight crew but people were stabbed + the plane flew erratic + mace in the cabin and so on.

I do not accept that hundreds of coincidences are necessary to succeed.

I accept that someone had enough time to plant tons of so called "evidence".

I do not accept that Al Qaeda did it without help.

 

[triforcharity]

well, why did the perimeter columns bow inwards 55 inches (NCSTAR 1-6D, pg 314) if not for the amazing account of 9 feet of sagging in 17 minutes?

I just looked, and I see nothing of the sort on that page. Maybe a different page?

ETA: I see on Page 320, Fig 4-89 shows at the SW corner, we see a displacement of 11". Maybe your numbers mean something else? 1=5?

 

[chipmunk stew]

(Obviously engagement with the minutiae is counterproductive)

Uhh, that perfectly explains why the 8 mile debris field means "broken in midair".

Now we need a confetti cannon that fires backwards and we're almost done.
We just should try to expose the confetti to a fine spray of kerosene droplets before we prove that neither fire nor a 500mph impact could damage a Saudi passport. Fine.

(Maybe repetition is the way to go)

No, we don't need to know any of that. The reality of 9/11 doesn't hinge on that passport. It's corroborating evidence, but not crucial evidence. It's asterisk-level evidence. Its non-existence would change nothing. Your obsessive sorting of pointless minutiae makes a mockery of people such as Robert Shaler, who did the grisly work of actually sorting and identifying the remains of the victims from those of the hijackers:

http://www.newsweek.com/2009/01/02/remains-of-the-day.html

Get a better hobby. This one is disgusting and pathetic.

 

[achimspok]

Your delusions on 911, demolition, passports can't survive, now flight 93. What 8 miles debris field? Ooos, if it is 93, again the wind direction foils your failed opinions.

Saudi Passports are indestructible. Oops, wait for it...

[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/1IDcardsurvived.jpg[/qimg]
This ID card was damaged. How do you know the passport had no signs of jet fuel? Why can't a passport fall on Vessey street; wait, were was it really found? Any idea?

You don't understand evidence, or video. Add that to your list of stuff hindering your understanding 911. What is your claim? The inside job delusion has failed, as you present post after post of rehashed failed lies already debunked years ago. Are you new to 911? Your demolition delusion failed, now what is your next already debunked blast from the past?

Why do you bring up people with the same name stuff?
Why did you bring up the stuff left behind?
What does baggage that fails to make a flight fit in your fantasy?

What does the only two suitcases that didn't make it on the plane fit my reality? Do you really want to know it?

Flight 93? You say that. I talk about the 8 mile debris field of Flight 1771 but you are right. It's somehow comparable, right?

Btw, you linked a damaged and burned ID card from INSIDE the Pentagon even if the Pentaplane hit at an angle. The probability for that ID card to bounce back on the law was magnitudes higher than the probability for the Satam Al Suqami Passport to bounce back to Vesey St.
And finally the burnt and damaged ID card from inside the Pentagon has the name and birthday of a still living person. That's somehow strange, isn't it?

Debunked years ago? No. You debunked absolutely nothing.
All you did is disturbing and omitting like the Flight 1771 video that tfk linked.

 

[beachnut]

I accept that we have at least 2 Attas.

I accept you have delusions on 911 - you keep proving it.

I accept that the Portland video shows some similar person but was edited before it was presented as "evidence".

I accept you make up lies to support your delusion, you did it again.

I accept that Attas voice as recorded at Boton Air Control sounds like a tape.

Sounds like a tape, because ATC recordings were on tape. Good one.

I accept that Atta and Jarrah both would have pushed the wrong button 2 or 3 times to address the passengers but talk to ATC without hearing the ATC.

New pilots, better pilots, press the wrong button all the time. Better try to get real evidence to support your lies and delusions. Is it a rocker switch? lol, you have no idea.

I accept that someone tries to tell me that every single passenger stood calm even if the voice of the "captain" wasn't heard by the passengers and flight crew but people were stabbed + the plane flew erratic + mace in the cabin and so on.

So?

I do not accept that hundreds of coincidences are necessary to succeed.

Zero coincidences, it is what happened.

I accept that someone had enough time to plant tons of so called "evidence".

Prove it. Your fantasy is backed by your delusions and lack of knowledge, and lack of understanding from flying and more.

I do not accept that Al Qaeda did it without help.

19 terrorists did 911, all by themselves; they used the complex plot, they had to memorize the steps.
1. take planes
2. crash planes into some of the largest building in the United States
Took them 10 years to memorize this complex plot; wow

Only pilots for truth would need lots of help pulling off 911, they can't fly simulators into building, and they brag about it. Why not join Pilots for truth where critical thinking, any thinking is banned?

 

[TJM]

Only pilots for truth would need lots of help pulling off 911, they can't fly simulators into building, and they brag about it.

 

[triforcharity]

And finally the burnt and damaged ID card from inside the Pentagon has the name and birthday of a still living person. That's somehow strange, isn't it?
.

Yeah, strange really. Some guy in Michigan has the same name as me, with the same birthday as me too. Imagine that.,.......

 

[LightningTeg]

The probability for that ID card to bounce back on the law was magnitudes higher than the probability for the Satam Al Suqami Passport to bounce back to Vesey St.

So a plane going into a concrete building at ground floor has a better chance to produce a passport then a plane flying into an open office building 1000ft in the air? You ARE delusional.

Just a random video I found. Skip to 1:25 to see tons of papers flying everywhere. Im sure the first crash was close to the same.

 

[Patriots4Truth]

I just looked, and I see nothing of the sort on that page. Maybe a different page?

ETA: I see on Page 320, Fig 4-89 shows at the SW corner, we see a displacement of 11". Maybe your numbers mean something else? 1=5?

sorry try p. 378

"Bowing of South Wall

The exterior columns on the south wall bowed inward as they were subjected to high temperatures, pull-in forces from the floors beginning at 80 min, and additional gravity loads redistributed from the core. Figure 5–6 shows the observed and the estimated inward bowing of the south wall at 97 min after impact (10:23 a.m.). Since no bowing was observed on the south wall at 69 min (9:55 a.m.), as shown in Table 5–2, it is estimated that the south wall began to bow inward at around 80 min when the floors on the south side began to substantially sag. The inward bowing of the south wall increased with time due to continuing floor sagging and increased temperatures on the south wall as shown in Figs. 4–42 and 5–7. At 97 min (10:23 a.m.), the maximum bowing observed was about 55 in. (see Fig. 5–6)."

and 97 min - 80 min = 17 min

 

[GlennB]

...... and both ways for an escaping passport that managed to land at Vesey St are pur nonsense...
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1565/img00013.png

Passport is freed from <wherever it was stowed> at impact. Hits object inside building and stops. Subsequent blast blows it northwards.

In the meantime, have we established that it was found in Vesey St as opposed to being handed over in Vesey St? Was it found loose or still in the remains of a bag or clothing? I ask about the location merely for information as I can find no definitive answer elsewhere.

 

[achimspok]

I accept you have delusions on 911 - you keep proving it.

I accept you have no explanation for the crop duster Atta - you keep proving it.

I accept you make up lies to support your delusion, you did it again.

I accept that you have no explanation for the wrong time stamp, the screen matrix, the wrong cloth...

Sounds like a tape, because ATC recordings were on tape. Good one.

The answer do not relate to the question (3 times). Playing a tape do the job as well. Btw, I bet the ATC recordings are digital, may be digital tapes.

New pilots, better pilots, press the wrong button all the time. Better try to get real evidence to support your lies and delusions. Is it a rocker switch? lol, you have no idea.

Wow, a rocker switch? Do you push it to switch it or do you rock it?
I guess Atta rocked it back otherwise the ATC would have recorded a lot more conversation, right?

New pilots, better pilots, press the wrong button all the time? LOL
Better you try to get a real explanation how Atta managed to hit the center column at 490mph while pressing the wrong button all the time.

I tend to call them extremely knowledgeable and capable aviators since a Commander Ted Muga and U.S. Navy ‘Top Gun’ pilot, Commander Ralph Kolstad, said so.

I keep in mind that there is some Be^achnut on the internet who says "no problem, my daughter do it all day long".

Zero coincidences, it is what happened.

No coincidence that the ISI paymaster was in the White House.
No coincidence that FEMA arrived 9/10 at the scene.
No coincidence that wargames happened that day including fake hijackings.
No coincidence that the regulations for hijacking response were changed in advance.
No coincedence that Able Danger and O'Neill were stopped.
...
No coincedence that Attas baggage was delayed.

Prove it.

Let's start with a little common knowledge:
C.I.A. WAS GIVEN DATA ON HIJACKER LONG BEFORE 9/11


What did the FBI do after the attacks?

They say, they checked the Flight Manifest.

This way the found "ABDUL ALOMARI".

Btw, Bukhari's name reportedly appeared on the AA11 manifest too. [First Coast News]

Furthermore the FBI examined the "delayed" luggage of Atta in Portland. Notice what they found in the luggage.

Next, the FBI took the names and searched the public records. They found a pilot with the name Abdul Rahman Alomari in Vero Beach.

Planted evidence Number 1:
Alomari listed a car registered to Atta.

Now the FBI knew that Atta obviously owned a car. Meanwhile the ATF had the idea to talk to Ms. Venezia of Alamo Rent A Car at the Jetport in Portland. According to Ms. Venezia (Alamo Rent) Atta rented a blue Nissan in Boston using his own name providing a Visa card giving an address in Coral Springs.
Yes, Atta already had a white Sedan in Boston. Who cares.

Minutes later Agent Lechner located the blue Nissan in Portland.

Sworn at 9:51 am Sep 12, FBI Special Agent James K. Lechner.

Furthermore...

A car rented by some of the 9/11 hijackers is recorded several times on surveillance cameras going in and out of the parking lot at Boston’s Logan Airport in the days before the attacks, and is finally left at the parking lot on the morning of September 11 (see (6:45 a.m.) September 11, 2001). The car is a white Mitsubishi sedan that has been leased from an Alamo franchise in Springfield, Massachusetts. It is found after the attacks, on the evening of September 11, and contains a “ramp pass” enabling access to restricted areas of Logan Airport. Time magazine will speculate that “someone was reconnoitering with accomplices who worked on the planes, who could plant weapons onboard.” [USA Today, 9/13/2001; Washington Post, 9/14/2001; Boston Globe, 9/17/2001; Time, 9/24/2001]

and

Adnan and Ameer Bukhari's names had been tied to a car found at an airport in Portland, Maine. [CNN]

The two rented a car, a silver-blue Nissan Altima, from an Alamo car rental at Boston's Logan Airport and drove to an airport in Portland, Maine, where they got on US Airways Flight 5930 at 6 a.m. Tuesday headed back to Boston, the sources said.

Before CNN learned the identities of the two brothers, Portland Police Chief Mike Chitwood said, "I can tell you those two individuals did get on a plane and fly to Boston early yesterday morning ... I can tell you that they are the focus of a federal investigation." [People's Daily 9/13/2001]

No matter what Ms. Venezia of Alamo Rent A Car at the Jetport in Portland told the ATF and no matter that the FBI used that information to locate the car, that blue Nissan was allegedly rented by the use of the ID cards of the "Bukhari Brothers".

Any possible explanation? No explanation.

At 5:00 am Adnan Bukhari was arrested by the FBI and taken to Miami because
1) he was a flight instructor at FlightSafety
2) he was the neighbor of the Alomari pilot with the Atta parking lot
3) his ID card allegedly was used to rent a car

Meanwhile CNN entered the home of Adnan Bukhari and found loads of suspicious things: a computer, software, flight manuals, a flight safety bag...

However, during the interrogation of Bukhari the FBI realized that the Bukhari Brothers are no brothers az all and Ameer Bukhari died on 9/11 2000 due to an airplane accident. Suddenly the cell phone of Bukhari rang and the FBI got on the line.
It was Saudi Air pilot Abdul Rahman Alomari who left the US two weeks earlier.

Question 1: How is it possible that the wrong Alomari listed a car registered to Atta?

Question 2: How is it possible that the hijackers rented the blue Nissan using stolen ID cards of the "Bukhari Brothers"?

Simple answer: planted evidence.

Why would Atta leave a rental car containing incriminating evidence at Logan Airport (white Sedan), rent another car in Boston (using Bukharis ID) to drive to Maine, then fly back to Boston again? ...as visible on a manipulated surveillance video, being risky late in Boston?

Simple answer: planted evidence.

There is no connection between Abdul Rahman Alomari and his neighbor Bukhari on the one side and the alleged hijackers on the other side. Abdul Rahman Alomari had no parking space for Atta and Atta didn't steal the ID cards of Alomaris neighbor. The alledged Alomari "muscle hijacker" didn't live in Florida.

The story fell apart. CNN apologized for naming Bukhari but the FBI gave the image of Abdul Rahman Alomari to CNN. Now his face had the new name "Abdulaziz Alomari" and two birthdays:
December 24, 1972
May 28, 1979

Some days later another living Abdulaziz Alomari notified the Asharq al-Awsat newspaper that he is alive and wasn't on the plane but his passport was stolen 6 years earlier in Denver.

Is it possible that the AA11 hijacker (or even Al Qaeda) knew or used the passport stolen in Denver? No.

One year later the Saudi Information Agency released a curriculum vitae of the alleged hijacker "AbdulAziz AbdulRahman AlOmari AlZahrani 23"
Of course, according to the multiple birthdays he died either at the age of 22 or 28.

About 2 years after the attacks:
NATIONAL COMMISSION ON TERRORIST ATTACKS UPON THE UNITED STATES
Public Hearing (January 26, 2004)

MS. SUSAN GINSBURG: Beginning with passports. Four of the hijackers passports have survived in whole or in part. Two were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines flight 93 in Pennsylvania. These are the passports of Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al Ghamdi. One belonged to a hijacker on American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Satam al Suqami. A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed. A fourth passport was recovered from luggage that did not make it from a Portland flight to Boston on to the connecting flight which was American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Abdul Aziz al Omari.
In addition to these four, some digital copies of the hijackers passports were recovered in post-9/11 operations. Two of the passports that have survived, those of Satam al Suqami and Abdul Aziz al Omari, were clearly doctored. To avoid getting into classified detail, we will just state that these were manipulated in a fraudulent manner in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda.

We already know the "fraudulent manner" using additional stamps and correction fluid. But obviously the FBI went to all the trouble of undead Alomaris and dead Bukharis while they already found his passport on 9/11 in Attas luggage.

Go back to the sworn report of FBI agent Lechner. He listed the most important contents of Attas two planted suitcases and the Bukhari-rented blue Nissan.

The 2 years delayed Alomari passport was just shown once during the public hearing of the 9/11 commission.

Finally we find the footnote in the Staff statement
http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/911_TerrTrav_Ch2.pdf

Alomaris luaggage was delayed too? Interesting find some years later.

...and the safehouse in Pakistan obviously is the ISI safehouse where KSM was lured to capture him. Am I right? Good job.

 

[triforcharity]

sorry try p. 378

"Bowing of South Wall

The exterior columns on the south wall bowed inward as they were subjected to high temperatures, pull-in forces from the floors beginning at 80 min, and additional gravity loads redistributed from the core. Figure 5–6 shows the observed and the estimated inward bowing of the south wall at 97 min after impact (10:23 a.m.). Since no bowing was observed on the south wall at 69 min (9:55 a.m.), as shown in Table 5–2, it is estimated that the south wall began to bow inward at around 80 min when the floors on the south side began to substantially sag. The inward bowing of the south wall increased with time due to continuing floor sagging and increased temperatures on the south wall as shown in Figs. 4–42 and 5–7. At 97 min (10:23 a.m.), the maximum bowing observed was about 55 in. (see Fig. 5–6)."

and 97 min - 80 min = 17 min

So, what part of that did you find confusing? You think that the bowing only began 17 minutes before that?

Is that what your problem is?

 

[LightningTeg]

I accept you have no explanation for the crop duster Atta - you keep proving it.


I accept that you have no explanation for the wrong time stamp, the screen matrix, the wrong cloth...


The answer do not relate to the question (3 times). Playing a tape do the job as well. Btw, I bet the ATC recordings are digital, may be digital tapes.


Wow, a rocker switch? Do you push it to switch it or do you rock it?
I guess Atta rocked it back otherwise the ATC would have recorded a lot more conversation, right?

New pilots, better pilots, press the wrong button all the time? LOL
Better you try to get a real explanation how Atta managed to hit the center column at 490mph while pressing the wrong button all the time.

Steering an airplane is not difficult...

 

[beachnut]

I accept you have no explanation for the crop duster Atta - you keep proving it.

You already explained it; you came up with nothing. Good job.

I accept that you have no explanation for the wrong time stamp, the screen matrix, the wrong cloth...

Wow, the wrong time? Really, darn, you got us now.

The answer do not relate to the question (3 times). Playing a tape do the job as well. Btw, I bet the ATC recordings are digital, may be digital tapes.

Not sure if they are digital, but I don't have to worry, you don't know.

Wow, a rocker switch? Do you push it to switch it or do you rock it?
I guess Atta rocked it back otherwise the ATC would have recorded a lot more conversation, right?

Talk out, you hit the top of the rocker switch, talk in, you hit the bottom. Our new pilots made a lot of calls to ATC to us; sometimes we would answer him. You have no knowledge on flying and continue to prove it. Don't get upset, get some knowledge; this is as bad as your airplane speed problems.

New pilots, better pilots, press the wrong button all the time? LOL
Better you try to get a real explanation how Atta managed to hit the center column at 490mph while pressing the wrong button all the time.

New pilots do press the wrong button, they talk to the wrong people, and these pilots were not new, this was their one and only flight in a 757/767, I expect them to hit the wrong button, etc. But flying, it is so easy, easier than typing, learning the systems, managing a crew, flying in bad weather, and flying down to minimums to 2400 RVR takes skill and training.

OMG, how do people keep their cars in the center of the road! WOWZER! You have no clue how easy it is to fly for some people, but the terrorists actually trained and spent a lot of money to learn to fly. After that much effort, if they could not hit the center of a 200 foot target, they would have crashed during training. Are too afraid to learn to fly?

I tend to call them extremely knowledgeable and capable aviators since a Commander Ted Muga and U.S. Navy ‘Top Gun’ pilot, Commander Ralph Kolstad, said so.

Pilots for truth? These dolts can't hit large buildings with a simulator and they brag about it; good choice of dolts, they have delusions like you do.

CNN, they said it takes experts to fly and crash? LOL, better take your stuff to CNN, they are stupid - let me explain the press, they write anything for a story. The story you posted was from 912, not a lot of time to see the pilots flew BAD. Good job posting proof you have no clue what happen on 911. Posting the CNN article as your evidence proves you have no aviation knowledge and have done zero rational research on 911 flying activities.

The moron TED MUGA, says [quote]Commander Muga: The maneuver at the Pentagon was just a tight spiral coming down out of 7,000 feet. [/quote] He calls a 5 mile wide turn tight? LOL, he calls a turn with bank angle varying from 15 to 40 degrees a tight turn? In pilot training I used 60 degree 2 g turns as routine, the 1.15 g Hani turn is NOT tight. Muga has done the same research on this as you, ZERO.

Top Gun Pilot? He says -

“At the Pentagon, the pilot of the Boeing 757 did quite a feat of flying. I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757’s and 767’s and I could not have flown it the way the flight path was described.”

He has no first hand knowledge of the flight path, it was a wide turn, and a straight shot to hit the Pentagon - any pilot except Ralph and pilots for truth can do it. You picked idiots as your pilots who have never looked at the actual flight path parameters, they make up nonsense and you eat it up.

Top gun pilot, Ralph Kolstad, lol, said about the Pentagon, where DNA of all passengers and terrorists were found except for a small kid... What a tool, he makes up lies about 911 when people died, and he does it out of complete Ignorance, and he is the personification of stupid. Ralph says

Where are the steel engine parts?

well Ralph, they were recovered... What a dumb quesion.

Ralph, the engines were evidence in a murder case, a terrorist plot to kill Americans, and Ralph is too stupid to research 911 - an idiot who joins the moron math master Balsamo and his 11.2g to 34gs of pure stupid. Good expert! Only the best for 911 truth. You got woo

If you would look at the inputs and flight paths, you will see the terrorist pilots were sloppy. But you have not tried to do more than spread lies and SPAM the internet with BS about 911.

I keep in mind that there is some Be^achnut on the internet who says "no problem, my daughter do it all day long".

Trying to make fun of my name, I am honored. My daughters can fly a simulator and hit a target within feet of center, they have been able to control vehicles since they were small kids. Why can't you fly a plane and hit a 900 or 200 foot wide target? My kids can, and other kids have without training maneuvered a plane. Some kids can't.

No coincidence that the ISI paymaster was in the White House.
No coincidence that FEMA arrived 9/10 at the scene.
No coincidence that wargames happened that day including fake hijackings.
No coincidence that the regulations for hijacking response were changed in advance.
No coincedence that Able Danger and O'Neill were stopped.
...
No coincedence that Attas baggage was delayed.

ISI, prove it.
FEMA was on an exercise; darn.
War-games? LOL, a scheduled exercise, it means more expert military are available, the military does not do domestic crap, but they were up and running faster than it takes on paper and according to regulations, and instructions. OOPS, this is a red flag you don't understand why bringing this up ruins your Delusions.
Wrong, the hijacking instructions made it as easy, and nothing really changed in reality - another flag you only have delusions on 911.
Able Danger? What about all the other programs? Wow, what does this mean? It means nothing.
Attas bags delayed, is a red flag you can't do anything with this. My bags have been delayed, what does it mean? It means nothing. Sorry.


Holy SPAM. You are into some really deep BS. Have you gone to CNN, Dan Rather, anyone? What did they say about your delusions, I mean evidence?

Be^achnut, cool, this is your most reality based achievement , superscripting my name (similar word enlightenment at the kindergarten level preceded your breakthrough). 911 truth, evidence free, but they think SPAM you unloaded is evidence of the inside job. Pilots for truth? Pilots for truth, Ted and Ralph are not sources of any useful information on 911. Ralph and Ted, wow.

 

[Craig4]

sorry try p. 378

"Bowing of South Wall

The exterior columns on the south wall bowed inward as they were subjected to high temperatures, pull-in forces from the floors beginning at 80 min, and additional gravity loads redistributed from the core. Figure 5–6 shows the observed and the estimated inward bowing of the south wall at 97 min after impact (10:23 a.m.). Since no bowing was observed on the south wall at 69 min (9:55 a.m.), as shown in Table 5–2, it is estimated that the south wall began to bow inward at around 80 min when the floors on the south side began to substantially sag. The inward bowing of the south wall increased with time due to continuing floor sagging and increased temperatures on the south wall as shown in Figs. 4–42 and 5–7. At 97 min (10:23 a.m.), the maximum bowing observed was about 55 in. (see Fig. 5–6)."

and 97 min - 80 min = 17 min

Where is the residue? You're up against the Laws of Thermodynamics here. If there were explosives there has to be residue. No options. New York should have been covered with it. Where is it?

 

[Patriots4Truth]

How did WTC1 get 9ft of floor sagging (or more if you count thermal expansion) in 17 minutes?

sorry try p. 378

"Bowing of South Wall

The exterior columns on the south wall bowed inward as they were subjected to high temperatures, pull-in forces from the floors beginning at 80 min, and additional gravity loads redistributed from the core. Figure 5–6 shows the observed and the estimated inward bowing of the south wall at 97 min after impact (10:23 a.m.). Since no bowing was observed on the south wall at 69 min (9:55 a.m.), as shown in Table 5–2, it is estimated that the south wall began to bow inward at around 80 min when the floors on the south side began to substantially sag. The inward bowing of the south wall increased with time due to continuing floor sagging and increased temperatures on the south wall as shown in Figs. 4–42 and 5–7. At 97 min (10:23 a.m.), the maximum bowing observed was about 55 in. (see Fig. 5–6)."

55 inches of bowing translates to 9 ft of "sag"
and 97 min - 80 min = 17 min

So, what part of that did you find confusing? You think that the bowing only began 17 minutes before that?

My problem is
(a) the joists weren't hot enough (and yes, I've seen plenty dramatic image spam of fire photos)
(b) I don't believe they could have sagged 9 ft in 17 minutes. I'll only believe it possible if I get a full, honest scientific analysis

 

[triforcharity]

My problem is
(a) the joists weren't hot enough

Argument from personal ignorance noted.

Why do you think that?

(b) I don't believe they could have sagged 9 ft in 17 minutes. I'll only believe it possible if I get a full, honest scientific analysis

Agrument from personal ignorance noted. Again.

 

[Patriots4Truth]

I'm sure you've seen just as much scientific analysis on 9 ft of "sag" in 17 minutes as I have. That is to say you haven't seen any. So you are just as "ignorant" as I am for part (b).

As for part (a) - I've seen "hot enough" debates in plenty other threads. I do not wish to waste time in explaining something that is readily available. Plus, the unwillingness to compromise (and the fact that no one knows exactly how hot the joists were) always leaves those debates in a standstill.

 

[WildCat]

and 97 min - 80 min = 17 min

That is true, but the part you quoted makes clear it took 97 minutes for the columns to buckle, not 17.

Poor reading comprehension is almost a requirement to be a truther.

 

[beachnut]

I'm sure you've seen just as much scientific analysis on 9 ft of "sag" in 17 minutes as I have. That is to say you haven't seen any. So you are just as "ignorant" as I am for part (b).

As for part (a) - I've seen "hot enough" debates in plenty other threads. I do not wish to waste time in explaining something that is readily available. Plus, the unwillingness to compromise (and the fact that no one knows exactly how hot the joists were) always leaves those debates in a standstill.

There was no inside job, just delusions from 911 truth.
When will you get to WTC2?

You have confirmed no inside job. What other failed claims do you have.

If you believe in the inside job lie, you are the one who lacks the knowledge required to join reality.