Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[Katody Matrass]

could you provide a link that she had it with her when she, and everyone else, were quickly ordered out of the house the morning after the murder. Thanks.

they took all of our informaton and asked us the same questions over and over. at the time i had only what i was wearing and my badg, which thankfully had my passport in it and my wallet. no jacket though, and i was freezing.​

You wouldn't believe what is the source of above quote

 

[Alt+F4]

I don't believe that the Italian authorities ever confiscated Knox's passport.

You're right. I don't know if she surrendered her passport or the authorities confiscated it. Now back to my original point, where's the evidence that she had her passport with her when everyone was ordered out of the house?

 

[LondonJohn]

they took all of our informaton and asked us the same questions over and over. at the time i had only what i was wearing and my badg, which thankfully had my passport in it and my wallet. no jacket though, and i was freezing.​

You wouldn't believe what is the source of above quote

Selective reading by someone of the Knox email....?!

 

[LondonJohn]

You're right. I don't know if she surrendered her passport or the authorities confiscated it. Now back to my original point, where's the evidence that she had her passport with her when everyone was ordered out of the house?

But you used the words "I know...", in relation to the statement that the authorities confiscated Knox's passport. I'm confused.

 

[Alt+F4]

they took all of our informaton and asked us the same questions over and over. at the time i had only what i was wearing and my badg, which thankfully had my passport in it and my wallet. no jacket though, and i was freezing.
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You wouldn't believe what is the source of above quote

How amusing. She said she had her passport in her alibi email, that's not much evidence considering how often she lied.

 

[LondonJohn]

How amusing. She said she had her passport in her alibi email, that's not much evidence considering how often she lied.

Excellent argument!

 

[Alt+F4]

Excellent argument!

I think I'm going to stop calling it the "first things first" email and start calling it the "well-deserved pizza" email.

 

[LondonJohn]

I think I'm going to stop calling it the "first things first" email and start calling it the "well-deserved pizza" email.

That would indeed be erudite and amusing.

 

[Katody Matrass]

How amusing. She said she had her passport in her alibi email, that's not much evidence considering how often she lied.

Do you have anything to support that she often lied? Can we see it?

You said you know that police confiscated her passport, do you have any evidence to support that one, too?

 

[Danceme]

They had footprint samples from Amanda, Rudy and Raffaele, and not from Laura and Filomena or the young men downstairs. We do know it was not blood because every TMB test was negative and the supposed blood did not contain Meredith's DNA. Strange that if it was her blood that none of her DNA showed up. These prints could have been compatible with a lot of footprints including Filomena's and Laura's if they were compared to theirs, which they were not.

No one has been able to prove reference footprints were not taken from these others. Darkness Descending says reference footprints and fingerprints were taken from the other roommates, friends etc. I think you need to prove these prints were never available for reference in order to say so.

Also, it's been established by numerous studies that luminol can interfere with presumptive tests for blood so a negative result is not conclusive.

"Four of the surfaces which gave positive results with the TMB test before luminol treatment gave negative results after treatment (both wet and dry), and one of the surfaces which gave positive results before luminol treatment and after luminol treatment (wet) gave negative results once the surface had dried."

Here's the article, from the Journal of Forensic Science,

http://tinyurl.com/66ykvrt

Of course, the evidence suggestes that she had been extremely drunk the night before (although we're not supposed to talk about that now, are we...?), but that would not have affected her GI function over 12 hours later.

I wonder if the effects from excess alcohol consumption can hang around for a while. Can you point to an article indicating it can't possibly have an effect 12 hours later?

Yes, Rinaldi at his first attempt obtained a result of 227mm, which then went up to 244mm.

IIRC Vinci's result was 215mm.

Vinci's 215mm is nuts, go measure it. I wear female 6.5 American size, a smallish size, which is 37 european size and my foot measures almost 230mm. 215mm would equate to a child's foot.

 

[Justinian2]

You're right. I don't know if she surrendered her passport or the authorities confiscated it. Now back to my original point, where's the evidence that she had her passport with her when everyone was ordered out of the house?

Have you read any good books lately on the Amanda Knox case?

Read any books lately about the incarceration of the innocent or police brutality?

I'm just wondering if you have any references that aren't written by government.

 

[Alt+F4]

Have you read any good books lately on the Amanda Knox case?

There are no good books about the Amanda Knox case but that still doesn't stop people from trying to make a buck off it.

Read any books lately about the incarceration of the innocent or police brutality?

You must be referencing a different case. Amanda was neither brutalized by the police and she isn't innocent (again, I don't think she's the killer).

I'm just wondering if you have any references that aren't written by government.

The conspiracy sub-forum is that-a-way ---->

 

[Alt+F4]

No one has been able to prove reference footprints were not taken from these others. Darkness Descending says reference footprints and fingerprints were taken from the other roommates, friends etc. I think you need to prove these prints were never available for reference in order to say so.

I believe fingerprints were taken from the six "young people" at the apartment that morning. Don't know about Laura.

I wonder if the effects from excess alcohol consumption can hang around for a while. Can you point to an article indicating it can't possibly have an effect 12 hours later?

John said she was three times over the drunk driving limit at 4am or 5am on November 1. Not sure how he knows this. Since .08 BAC is considered drunk driving in most places that would put her BAC at .240 (very drunk). Alcohol leaves the body about .015 per hour it would take about 16 hours for the alcohol to completely leave her system.

 

[Justinian2]

There are no good books about the Amanda Knox case but that still doesn't stop people from trying to make a buck off it.

Why do you think that you more knowledgable than the authors of all the books on the Amanda Knox Case?

You must be referencing a different case. Amanda was neither brutalized by the police and she isn't innocent (again, I don't think she's the killer).

Police brutality includes framing a person, don't you think?.

I'm glad you don't think she's the killer.

The conspiracy sub-forum is that-a-way ---->

Interesting answer to the question: "I'm just wondering if you have any references that aren't written by government. "

 

[Justinian2]

From page 367 of the Massei translation:

Therefore it may be deduced that, accustomed to the consumption of drugs and the effects of the latter, Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito participated actively in Rudy’s criminal acts aimed at overcoming Meredith’s resistance, subjugating her will and thus allowing Rudy to act out his lustful impulses; and this is considered to have happened because, for those [i.e. for people] who did not disdain the use of drugs (Amanda has stated that on that evening, before “making love”, they had consumed drugs watching films and reading comic books in which sexuality is accompanied by violence and by situations of fear, disregarding the concept of sexuality as an encounter of [two] persons moved by reciprocal and free emotion (see the comic books seized from Raffaele Sollecito and the statements […]

The conspiracy with Guede was deduced because Amanda and Raffaele were accustomed to the consumption of drugs.

The conspiracy with Guede was deduced because Amanda and Raffaele were accustomed to the consumption of drugs.



And because they were deduced to have helped Guede, they have been sentenced to 26 years?

 

[Antony]

It might make you feel better believing that these two women were "dear and admired" friends but there is no evidence of this at all.

I agree that people grieve differently. Amanda, however, didn't grieve at all.

You've already been shown to be wrong over this piece of nastiness. There is more evidence of Amanda and Meredith's friendship than anything remotely suggesting the reverse.

So you're saying that if RS and AK hadn't cooperated with the police then the police would have just picked some random person off the street and accused them?

No, that's not what police do in cases like this - they settle on someone with some kind of connection to the case, albeit an arbitrary one. So if Amanda and Raffaele hadn't been around, it would have been Filomena and her boyfriend, or Meredith's boyfriend, or Sophie Purton (the last of Meredith's friends to see her alive).

Oh yes - in an earlier post you pointed out that the police don't have any evidence against these other people. No matter - they would have manufactured evidence just as easily as they did with Amanda and Raffaele, starting with the invented stories of shifting alibis which you are so ready to repeat. The core "evidence" of murder (the disputed DNA readings on the knife and bra clasp) has been pretty comprehensively dismantled in this forum, so all that is left is the libellous gossip that makes up much of your posts.

Anyone familiar with miscarriages of justice will see the pattern: the accused are the very 2 people who called the police to the crime scene in the first place. That's just one of the many indications that this case is complete frame-up.

 

[Kaosium]

No one has been able to prove reference footprints were not taken from these others. Darkness Descending says reference footprints and fingerprints were taken from the other roommates, friends etc. I think you need to prove these prints were never available for reference in order to say so.

Also, it's been established by numerous studies that luminol can interfere with presumptive tests for blood so a negative result is not conclusive.

"Four of the surfaces which gave positive results with the TMB test before luminol treatment gave negative results after treatment (both wet and dry), and one of the surfaces which gave positive results before luminol treatment and after luminol treatment (wet) gave negative results once the surface had dried."

Here's the article, from the Journal of Forensic Science,

http://tinyurl.com/66ykvrt

That's a very interesting article, I found this paragraph ought to apply as well:

"Luminol, 3-aminophthalhydrazide, has become a popular presumptive
test for blood (1–3), especially in crime scene investigation.
In previous research it has been shown that the treatment of
bloodstains with luminol can have an effect on the typing of bloodstains
using conventional serological typing (4–6), however it does not have an adverse effect on the subsequent analysis of these bloodstains using DNA analysis."

Table 1 listed no combination without a clean-up would turn a luminol detection into a false negative. Yet there was no evidence of a clean-up and one with bleach would have wiped out or smeared horribly the invisible footprints themselves, n'est pas?

What makes you think these spots on the floor ever had anything to do with the murder anyway? Just because they're there? Are all the spots on your carpet evidence you murdered someone?

 

[RoseMontague]

No one has been able to prove reference footprints were not taken from these others. Darkness Descending says reference footprints and fingerprints were taken from the other roommates, friends etc. I think you need to prove these prints were never available for reference in order to say so.

From Rinaldi's report:

Giuliano Mignini deputy prosecutor, appointed the undersigned Technical Consultants dr. Lawrence Peter Rinaldi and Bohemia, respectively, Technical Director and Principal Engineer Chief Inspector of Police, issued the following question:
"Carry out all tests designed to compare the footprints found on footwear in the survey with the imprints of shoes seizure, and to compare plantar imprints taken to suspects, in the course of inspection personnel, Knox, Sollecito and Guede with footprints found on the plantar pad of the bathroom adjoining the room where it is was found the corpse of Meredith Kercher, and those highlighted by the Luminol.

Reading the entire report, not once does he mention a comparison to anyone else's footprint. I don't believe Mignini wanted him to based on what he was told to investigate. That is really poor, in my opinion.

ETA: No mention that I can find in Vinci of any other footprints for comparison. You can bet he would have tried to compare them.

 

[Justinian2]

From page 367 of the Massei translation:

Therefore it may be deduced that, accustomed to the consumption of drugs and the effects of the latter, Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito participated actively in Rudy’s criminal acts aimed at overcoming Meredith’s resistance, subjugating her will and thus allowing Rudy to act out his lustful impulses; and this is considered to have happened because, for those [i.e. for people] who did not disdain the use of drugs (Amanda has stated that on that evening, before “making love”, they had consumed drugs watching films and reading comic books in which sexuality is accompanied by violence and by situations of fear, disregarding the concept of sexuality as an encounter of [two] persons moved by reciprocal and free emotion (see the comic books seized from Raffaele Sollecito and the statements […]

The conspiracy with Guede was deduced because Amanda and Raffaele were accustomed to the consumption of drugs.

Ok, since Meredith couldn't have been murdered twice, in order Amanda and Raffaele to be guilty, they had to help Guede. The deduction that they helped Guede was for the reason that they were accustomed to the consumption of drugs.

OK, it's perfectly clear now that Massei, Magnini and the Police didn't descend from Galileo or Newton.

 

[kmortis]

So as to not derail this thread, the discussion about any intimidation, libel or other misdeeds concerning Amanda's parents or their interaction with the Italian authorities has been moved here

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: kmortis