Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

You have another huge problem for your theory:

The flight paths were not consistent with automated systems comparabke to a Tomahawk cruise missile.

Had the planes been flown by computers, then the path would have been a lot smoother and straighter.
In fact, the planes showed all signs of being flown manually by relatively inexperienced pilots. In particular flight 77 was nearly a mess, with that full loop because Hanjour had come in much too high, and lots of wobbles and corrections even up to the very last second.
Flight 175 likewise came in too high and struggled to hit the tower. It's what a bad pilot would do, not a cruise missile system.
 
The succession of the hijacks is explained in slides 8 to 21 of the power point file. Mainly, the succession of the hijacks is impossible to be made by 4 different teams who can not contact each other to make such "successive" synchronisation.
What makes you think this was how it was planned to be? As far as the aircraft timing goes, we have this thing called the Internet that allows you to look up airline schedules.

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I really do hope that this has not been your life's work for the last 8 years.

My advice, stay in or go back to school.
 
I can give you some amount of credibility. But why and how the companies published a victims' list, which is the passengers list with removed unknown terrorists' names? At that time, the terrorists were not identified, so it was impossible for them to remove those names.

This is FALSE.

By the time the airlines published list of victims (and contacted their relatives), the hijackers were already identified, it's just that not all 19 identifications were certain at the time for the purpose of convicting someone in court.

Any way, that's a meaningless small detail in my work. It does not deserve to be discussed more. It can be true or wrong, it changes nothing in my conclusions. I won't waste time on such minor questions.

It is not up to you to declare FALSE claims in your presentation "meaningless". Obviously, every FALSE claim you make lowers your credibility.

However, could you explain why meaningless small details are included in your presentation? Would that not make it a bad presentation, even if it weren't FALSE?
 
I wrote on many forums. My explanation of the manner how the events were made was never debunked.

I doubt you will, but here goes, anyway!

Please link to said writings on other forums. This should be the easiest thing, asked of you.
 
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You have another huge problem for your theory:

The flight paths were not consistent with automated systems comparabke to a Tomahawk cruise missile.

Had the planes been flown by computers, then the path would have been a lot smoother and straighter.
In fact, the planes showed all signs of being flown manually by relatively inexperienced pilots. In particular flight 77 was nearly a mess, with that full loop because Hanjour had come in much too high, and lots of wobbles and corrections even up to the very last second.
Flight 175 likewise came in too high and struggled to hit the tower. It's what a bad pilot would do, not a cruise missile system.

Do we really need the techy stuff at this stage and in such a thread? Lets clarify the stupid stuff first before we need the aerospace/missile waffle. Seems that 'baby steps' is enough for know.
 
PS. Mehmet, I had a quick look at your website just to say I have been there.

My Turkish friend, you are going to have to SERIOUSLY reconsider your conclusions if that is only the level of research you have done in 5 years. You have done almost none, and of that, you have managed to show no evidence for the conclusions you reached. Just saying that you think it was Mossad and Bush because you can't think of anything else and because you deliberately ignore other evidence is straight foolishness.

If you want to support your position, you need a LOT more solid evidence than you have there. Right now you have almost none - it's all complete speculation, ignorance and imagination. So the reason no-one will debunk you is probably because you have produced nothing for them to debunk. You can't give someone a cake to eat if you don't make it first.

Best of luck!
Mehmet,

Back at the beginning I made the above post, including a friendly request to post your best evidence here. It appears you didn't follow my advice, and you can read what has happened - your theory about the 9-11 attacks has no substance whatever and has been shredded by experts. You say you have never been debunked before? Well, you certainly have been now.

In the kindest light, it appears that your thinking consists solely of wild speculation based on a few deliberately selected details, plus a whole lot of biased nonsense. What is worse, you deliberately discard any evidence you don't like by labelling it as "Jewish" or "Zionist", and especially if it contradicts your theory. No respectable and honest researcher EVER does that sort of behaviour.

Further, quite a number of people on this forum are extremely knowledgeable about the subject, including many who were in New York that morning, and a few who have actually worked on the official data research. You can see already that they have shown you what you are up against: Facts & real evidence, not your wild unfounded speculation combined with cherry-picked data. We even have one senior member who was in the Pentagon at the time and was a first-hand eyewitness on the scene in the first few minutes after that attack. He can confirm that your notions of Zionist planted evidence are so utterly ridiculous as to be laughable.

Mehmet, let me just ask: Are you prepared to change your mind at all if any of your evidence is fully debunked?
 
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The conclusion is also simple:
Muslims are NOT involved in 9/11. The strikes were made by common work of Massad and Bush administration.

19 terrorists, who thought they were for Islam, committed murder on 911. We have their DNA, come collect it, they were morons, and they don't need your apologies. They took credit, UBL calls them heroes for Islam. You failed big time.
As usual, you have a moronic conclusion based on your failed delusions.
Radio controlled explosives? No blast effects on 911. Sorry, you flunked and the radio controlled stuff, is moronic nonsense.
Oops, the Pentagon, the 757 was found will all the DNA of those who go on board that day. Failure comes easy for you, maybe you should not be talking about 911.

It is amazing you got the date right for 911.
I would not brag about 5 vs 8 years of failure. You would help yourself if we mess up the math and said 2 years; you would not look as failed.


Mehmetin
It appears you are from a country unfamiliar with the customs of US Americans. Here it is considered an insult to accuse the innocent and excuse the guilty.

Please ignore beachnut's comments highlighted in yellow, as he shares these local American values and has interpreted your comments as an insult, but answer the persuasive comments not highlighted in yellow, and if I may add, what explains the barbaric 9/11 muslim martyrdom videos.
 
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I am running out of time now.
On pages 15-20 you speculate about remote controling of planes, about poison gas, etc.

I note that you provide no material evidence from the four flights to back up that claim.
Fact is, Boeing 767s and 757s could not have been manipulated for remote control or autopilot without pilots retaking control.
Material evidence has been posted here at JREF by user... A... grrrr don't remember his name. An aircraft technician.

What’s the probability for :

1- All 8 pilots of the flight were unable to key the “four digit hijack code” into their keyboard? Zero. The only explanation is “they were killed almost immediately without being aware about what was happening”. That implies the use of poison gas.

2- The terrorists to takeover the first plane exactly within the 16 seconds time gap between two orders of the flight controller Pete Zalewski? Zero probably again. The only possibility is that Pete Zalewski ( a Jew people ) was part of the team and he managed to give two successive orders within 16 seconds to check if the poison gas killed the pilots: First order to establish the communication line with the pilots and permit to the central team to switch on the on board missile control system; second order to check that the pilots will not answer, they are dead.

Page 21: You claim there are more videos that show the Pentagon strike.
Fact is: No, such videos do not exist.
You provide no material evidence for your claim.
See slide 23, “camera pole” on the highway.
Page 22-25: The photos are insufficient to back up your claims that the damage path was too narrow
Why? The satellite photos can be considered as flat, they are taken from long distance. Scaling one known dimension is enough to get all dimensions right scaled. So a photo can be used for distance measurements. Also, Google map uses such method.
Page 26-29 rehashes very old arguments from sources you deem unreliable yourself
Here, I show why they are unreliable.
Page 33: Your claim "Official theory: Kerosene fire highly weakend the metal and made the tower collapse" is FALSE. Fact is: The burning office contents provided a lot more heat than the fuel. Also, plane crash damage played an important role, too.
Your claim "heating is a speculation object" is only partially true. In fact, fire science knows a lot about heating in fires. It is much less speculation than your theory
Your claim "dark smoke shows low temperature" is false. Many office contents burn very hot yet have dark smoke. Also, dark smoke from cooler spots may mix with exhausts from very hot spots, making it all seem dark.
Your claim "no steel framed building collapsing by fire" is false. Many steel framed buildings have collapsed by fire. Example: Kader toy factory.
Your claim "bottom levels of the buildings were not heated at all" is irrelevant. They were not designed to arrest the dynamic load of an already collapsing top. You apparently don't understand structural engineering. Look up the papers by Zdenek Bazhant.

In WTC2, people crossed the impact level while there was fire in opposite corner. So the heat was not enough.
Zdenek Bazant is a liar Jew. The lower sections of the buildings were too much stronger, the upper part did not collapse in one single part from top to bottom; so the bottom structure was able to withstand the collapse of the upper parts. In WTC1, the structure bored the collapse and 16 people gathered alive from floor 1 to 22. Bazant was the big liar.
It’s only 4 floor a large platforme which was heated by the fire of stored toys (huge amount of fire) and the steel was not fire protected. This is not 111 floor twin towers with 52x22 inches massive steel columns.

Page 34 misrepresents the NIST reports, and gives no references

Page 35 makes false claims

It’s the best picture of the NIST report; their main claim is “the main structure is the outer columns and the floor trusses and the hat truss; the inner core section is minor part of the structure”. That’s enough to tell it’s full of lies.

Page 36 makes an irrelevant claim - the apparent size of columns in a drawing is not important

The initial size of the columns is the inner box; the outer box was added to show them bigger. That’s manipulation and lying.

Page 37: Same mistake

Page 38 makes an undefined claim
Let’s be a little bit more sincere please.

Pages 39-41 speculate. No engineering qualification behind those fantasies

Do not misrepresent my engineering qualifications, consider them definitely strong enough and try to give strong argument.

Page 42 misrepresents the "official reports"

There is no misrepresentation. See the FEMA report, they represented outer and inner columns in the same dimensions in their fire scenario.

Page 43 is irrelevant (WTC wasn't concrete structure)

You are right, WTC was steel structure, not concrete. But they are both based on the same principle of “tube inside tube”; means the “core tube inside the outer columns tube”.

Page 44 makes unsupported claims by a layman

Pages 45+46 contradict pages 39-41

The shortening of the sentences shows how weak are your arguments. Let’s be sincere and able to admit the truth.

47-49 speculate

49.1-50 are without evidence

You should make the study yourself. That demolition method is consistent with all visible evidence, videos, images, structure of the buildings, …

52-54 make a false claims about the damage by explosives

And you were unable to speak out about the slide 54.1, it definitely kills all arguments. So much that you stopped to tell anything.
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We see that your entire presentations is full of errors of fact, and void of evidence.

Sorry, but my work is sincere and consistent with all known evidence. Let’s be sincere and admit that it’s the truth! The truth is for all humanity, without the truth and justice made for 9/11, there could be too many other strikes and mass murders. If we want to protect humanity from such murder actions we must work sincerely.
 
What’s the probability for :

1- All 8 pilots of the flight were unable to key the “four digit hijack code” into their keyboard? Zero. The only explanation is “they were killed almost immediately without being aware about what was happening”. That implies the use of poison gas.

Except the cockpit struggle (and subsequent murders) was caught on at least two of the flights by ATC.

You "researched" this for how long?

Let me guess, your going to pull the "faked" card.
 
You have another huge problem for your theory:

The flight paths were not consistent with automated systems comparabke to a Tomahawk cruise missile.

Had the planes been flown by computers, then the path would have been a lot smoother and straighter.
In fact, the planes showed all signs of being flown manually by relatively inexperienced pilots. In particular flight 77 was nearly a mess, with that full loop because Hanjour had come in much too high, and lots of wobbles and corrections even up to the very last second.

The flight path are fully consistent with first used missile control system that need to be checked before doing the precise impact; especially in the first two impacts on the towers. Other ones are different. Slide 20 shows the complete action of the hijacks.

Flight 175 likewise came in too high and struggled to hit the tower. It's what a bad pilot would do, not a cruise missile system.

A cruise missile system getting out of its target will act EXACTLY like that. Have a look to the behavior of PID regulation loops that are used for such systems.
 
Mehmet,

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Mehmet, let me just ask: Are you prepared to change your mind at all if any of your evidence is fully debunked?

With no doubt I am ready to change my opinion if all my evidence are debunked.

All other your arguments are not technical, you just make speculation on my work, so I did not answer. Let's be short and precise and scientific and logical.
 
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Mehmetin
It appears you are from a country unfamiliar with the customs of US Americans. Here it is considered an insult to accuse the innocent and excuse the guilty.

Please ignore beachnut's comments highlighted in yellow, as he shares these local American values and has interpreted your comments as an insult, but answer the persuasive comments not highlighted in yellow, and if I may add, what explains the barbaric 9/11 muslim martyrdom videos.

This question is out of technical aspects. As it’s polite, I make an exception and answer it. But I will not linger on such subjects.

Some Muslims feel themselves attacked by USA and Israel. And those people fights against those countries. How much of them are manipulated by infiltrated spies? I don't know. But all such martyrdom videos could not exist if there is no attack against their own countries. “Keep Muslims quite, and you’ll be quite”; it’s so simple.

I consider only the first testimony of UBL on the day of 9/1/2001 (he denied his implication), all other testimonies were made under pressure of killing him by the biggest army in the worlds! All are irrelevant. I think, later he also believed some Muslims made the strikes and tried to support them. But that only shows he was fighting USA for its presence in Saudi Arabia; that we knew it before 911.

The DNA analysis of the Pentagon passengers identified NO hijacker, only passengers were identified. Only landing arm and engine of 757 was shown in the Pentagon. The landing arm was misplaced if it was the arm of the plane; it can not be near the exit hole; so it was planted inside the plane for evidence purpose. We don’t know the place of the engine parts, so they may also be planted.
 
If they have bombs why crash the planes?? Waste of good planes if you ask me.
 
What’s the probability for :

1- All 8 pilots of the flight were unable to key the “four digit hijack code” into their keyboard? Zero. The only explanation is “they were killed almost immediately without being aware about what was happening”. That implies the use of poison gas.


Except the cockpit struggle (and subsequent murders) was caught on at least two of the flights by ATC.

Even cockpit struggle does explain that for 8 pilots. In all cases, one pilot is able to key that code.

You did not mention the coincidence of Pete Zalewski successive orders with the takeover of the first plane AA11! Does that mean you agree with the analysis?
 
If they have bombs why crash the planes?? Waste of good planes if you ask me.

Bombs are demolition of asbestos containing buildings = double crime made by the people who planted the bombs.

But hijacked planes = Muslims terrorist!

It not waste of good planes, it's a fraudulent operation to accuse innocents and start more wars to kill more people.
 
- The timeline of the hiijacks shows that the hijacks were successive, like one teame controlling one plane at a time. Such hijacks could not be made by 4 different teams inside each plane.
All it takes is a watch set to the correct time. "Synchronize watches...3...2...1..Mark!"
 

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