Taco Bell sued

[Furcifer]

[/INDENT]Two things I noticed. Oats seems to be a common ingredient. And "oats" sounds more appetizing than "Textured Vegetable Protein."

-- Roger

They are, TVP tastes like crap.

I happened to read that TVP however is an accepted substitute for fat in "low fat" "reduced fat" products, whereas oat fiber isn't. At least for labeling purposes.

 

[PhantomWolf]

OMG you used da wiki! That's reliable.

Oh, well then....

The yeast Candida Utilis has been used industrially for the past 70 years in the production of SPC for food and fodder, waste treatment, and the production of fine chemicals used as flavour enhancers(310)

Food Biotechnology: Microorganisms By Yiu H. Hui, George G. Khachatourians

The yeast has a light brown colour, and when cooked, has a slightly meaty taste. This makes in popular in vegetarian imitation meat products, and as a meat extender. It is also used as a flavour enhancer in prepared foods.

Practically Edible

Torula is a yeast which is formally known as Candida utilis. This yeast has a number of practical uses, and it can also become pathogenic in certain circumstances.
...
The slightly meaty flavor of this yeast, which lacks the bitterness many people associate with yeasts, causes some companies to use it as a flavor enhancer in some foods, especially packaged foods

wisegeek

Do I need to find more references for you to accept that the Yeast TB has listed as a seasoning is in fact used as a flavour enhancer?

I could care less what wiki says, I'm talking about the FDA.

Try 182.10

Is a dried yeast a Herb or Spice?

 

[BobTheDonkey]

Yes they do. They don't apply them directly, they just make them.

The FTC applies them for advertising and the FSIS applies them to meat packers and FDA to manufacturing. (I think I've got it now )

The US is confusing, they've got the USDA, the FDA, the FSIS and the FTC all involved in food. I think there's another body for meat as well.

Still wrong.

The FSIS is a subset of the USDA. From the FSIS website:

The Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) is the public health agency in the U.S. Department of Agriculture responsible for ensuring that the nation's commercial supply of meat, poultry, and egg products is safe, wholesome, and correctly labeled and packaged

My bold.

So, you're still wrong as the FSIS only applies to commercial suppliers - in other words, the meat packers. In the case of Taco Bell, Tyson.


From the FDA website:

FDA is responsible for

Protecting the public health by assuring that foods are safe, wholesome, sanitary and properly labeled; human and veterinary drugs, and vaccines and other biological products and medical devices intended for human use are safe and effective
Protecting the public from electronic product radiation
Assuring cosmetics and dietary supplements are safe and properly labeled
Regulating tobacco products
Advancing the public health by helping to speed product innovations
Helping the public get the accurate science-based information they need to use medicines, devices, and foods to improve their health

From the FTC website:

The FTC deals with issues that touch the economic life of every American. It is the only federal agency with both consumer protection and competition jurisdiction in broad sectors of the economy. The FTC pursues vigorous and effective law enforcement; advances consumers’ interests by sharing its expertise with federal and state legislatures and U.S. and international government agencies; develops policy and research tools through hearings, workshops, and conferences; and creates practical and plain-language educational programs for consumers and businesses in a global marketplace with constantly changing technologies.

 

[PhantomWolf]

"Thermal processing" doesn't change anything.

It doesn't? Why would we cook things then? I was sure it was because the heating cause chemical reactions in the product that altered it's state, wow have I been living in a dream world.

Already been cited, it's on the website.

Then take a screenshot and present it because I looked and there are no products on their site that list "Ground beef" as an ingredient.

 

[Furcifer]

Your mind works in the strangest ways. When is a list of natural herbs and spices considered to be 'the definition of "seasonings" as it applies to "ground beef"'?

Are you dyslexic by chance? You seem to have read things backwards or aren't even there? "Ground beef" can contain some seasonings, that's the list.

I notice it doesn't include Lemon Pepper, is that not counted as a Seasoning or flavouring?

If it's not on the list then no. Perhaps if you wrote it as lemon&pepper you'd understand why it isn't there?

So as to the second. Where is your evidence that the seasonings that TB add are not "the amount reasonably required to accomplish its intended physical, nutritional, or other technical effect in food.

Because there are extenders and fillers in their "seasoning". They aren't allowed in "ground beef" seasoning as per the USDA regulation.

It's pretty simple, it's called "taco meat filling" because of the stuff Taco Bell puts in it. If they wanted "seasoned ground beef" they would have to remove everything but the stuff on the list you seem to think should have Lemon&Pepper.

lol, "Where's the Mrs. Dash at?" "What about French Onion soup mix?"

ETA: if you read that section of the regulation it mentions that if the spice isn't on the list you can submit it for their approval. Obviously what they put in it only amounts to "taco meat filling", not "seasoned ground beef".

 

[BobTheDonkey]

Nope. It's clear from the meat packers label they don't. I don't know why you think you know more than the supplier who makes and applies the labels



Correct actually. The FTC will make them applicable. Raw or cooked is irrelevant.



They don't have seasoned ground beef, they have another product called taco filling. No matter how many times you repeat this it's still wrong. You've been shown the regulations that CLEARLY indicate this.



Nope utter nonsense you made up.



Nope, you don't understand the regulations you just read obviously. A Taco Bell store never sees an ounce of ground beef unless an employee packs it in their lunch

Apparently you haven't paid attention to this thread (as if it wasn't obvious before)... Taco meat filling has a minimum 40% beef content. Minimum. beef. And, of course, this only applies to the commercial suppliers the USDA regulates.

You have utterly failed with your post.

 

[Furcifer]

The FSIS is a subset of the USDA. From the FSIS

yah that's what I said they're the enforcers

So, you're still wrong as the FSIS only applies to commercial suppliers - in other words, the meat packers. In the case of Taco Bell, Tyson.

The FTC will, that's what I said.

Repeat after me:
Taco filling is not seasoned ground beef. Taco filling is not seasoned ground beef. Taco filling is not seasoned ground beef.

 

[Furcifer]

Apparently you haven't paid attention to this thread (as if it wasn't obvious before)... Taco meat filling has a minimum 40% beef content. Minimum. beef. And, of course, this only applies to the commercial suppliers the USDA regulates.

You have utterly failed with your post.

Taco filling is not seasoned ground beef. Taco filling is not seasoned ground beef. Taco filling is not seasoned ground beef.

It's official! (It always was of course)

 

[BenBurch]

Pork Tartar! YUM!

 

[Furcifer]

It doesn't? Why would we cook things then? I was sure it was because the heating cause chemical reactions in the product that altered it's state, wow have I been living in a dream world.

lmfao, yes that's true. Thermal processing is irrelevant to the definitions in the regulations though. That's what we're talking about. This isn't the Food Network

 

[BobTheDonkey]

Taco filling is not seasoned ground beef. Taco filling is not seasoned ground beef. Taco filling is not seasoned ground beef.

It's official! (It always was of course)

Quick math:

Is 88 > 40?

 

[BenBurch]

Quick math:

Is 88 > 40?

Trolls are very bad at math.

 

[Furcifer]

Do I need to find more references for you to accept that the Yeast TB has listed as a seasoning is in fact used as a flavour enhancer?

Pointless hand waving (scratching) about yeast is pointless

It isn't a USDA approved seasoning. Even if it was, there's a few others that aren't seasonings either. I seem to have lost that list. But it's pointless, no fillers and no extenders in ground beef. That's the rules!

 

[Furcifer]

Quick math:

Is 88 > 40?

Even quicker 100>88. Sorry

 

[BobTheDonkey]

Even quicker 100>88. Sorry

Answer the question.

 

[Furcifer]

OK found that list:

Water- not a seasoning
isolated oat product- not a seasoning
salt- there's one
chili pepper-
onion powder,-
tomato powder
oats-
soy lecithin
sugar-
spices-
maltodextrin-
soybean oil-
garlic powder,
autolyzed yeast extract
citric acid,
caramel color
cocoa powder
silicon dioxide
natural flavors
yeast
modified corn starch
natural smoke flavor ? (nitrate? msg?)
salt second times a charm
sodium phosphate
potassium phosphate
potassium lactate.

There's barely any seasoning It's heavily processed taco filling.

Where's the beef?

 

[BobTheDonkey]

OK found that list:

Water- not a seasoning
isolated oat product- not a seasoning
salt- there's one
chili pepper-
onion powder,-
tomato powder
oats-
soy lecithin
sugar-
spices-
maltodextrin-
soybean oil-
garlic powder,
autolyzed yeast extract
citric acid,
caramel color
cocoa powder
silicon dioxide
natural flavors
yeast
modified corn starch
natural smoke flavor ? (nitrate? msg?)
salt second times a charm
sodium phosphate
potassium phosphate
potassium lactate.

There's barely any seasoning It's heavily processed taco filling.

Where's the beef?

The beef is the 88% of ingredients you left out.


Is 88 > 40?

 

[BenBurch]

Bob, if you expect an answer you are wasting your time.

 

[BobTheDonkey]

Bob, if you expect an answer you are wasting your time.

Oh, I don't. We all know the answer and what it does to 3body's arguments, which is why he/she/it won't answer.


Doesn't mean I can't point out that he/she/it is being disingenuous in this discussion with every post I make in this thread



3bodyproblem: Is 88 > 40?

 

[Aoidoi]

Hardly, I don't need to convince anyone.

Then you are a troll. And an incredibly boring one to make hundreds of posts stating that no restaurant in the history of the planet has ever complied with your farcical invented advertising requirements.

And not even an interesting troll.

PLONK