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Sean84 said:
Really?

1. You believe in aliens and that they caused the stupid brown people* to ascend to some higher plane of existence. Now you want them to come back.


2. You rudely dismissed me rather than explain anything.

3. Despite the dishonesty of your first post you've now made it clear that this thread is all about your petition to get people to look up.

Where did I go wrong?
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I do not believe in aliens, for starters.
 
carlitos said:
KotA, I have above-average reading comprehension. 99th percentile on those tests that you take in school back in the day. I am telling you what I understand your point to be based on the words you type in these boxes.

If you want me to understand your argument in a different way, then make it in a different way. My brain works just fine. I'm completely honest. I don't understand your argument, other than as wide-eyed incredulity: Wow - I can't understand that, therefore gods.

If you would like to disabuse me of this notion, then please, for the love of God, explain your point in words that I (and apparently everyone else here) can understand. Do it, man.
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"Wow, look at those craft perform those feats that defy modern flight characteristics...no human craft is capable of melding together with another to form a 4-fold larger version of themselves."

What I concluded was that I just witnessed evidence of a non-human advanced technology, in the heavens. THEY exist.

I have seen any number of different airplanes, I've lived near both civilian and military airports, and I've flown in large airliners and small single engine craft. I can usually identify the style or type of craft in the air, and I know the difference between a satellite and a meteor.

I saw star-like objects make right angle turns while maintaining a constant 'speed'...OUR most capable aircraft are NOT capable of such maneuvers.

I do NOT propose to know who was piloting these non-human U.F.O.'s, but I saw a half a dozen of them fly in coordination with each other.

I KNOW what I saw was the result of a non-human advanced technology controlled by an intelligence.

That's it, nothing more, nothing less.
 
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King of the Americas said:
"Wow, look at those craft perform those feats that defy modern flight characteristics...no human craft is capable of melding together with another to form a 4-fold larger version of themselves."

What I concluded was that I just witness evidence of a non-human advanced technology, in the heavens. THEY exist.

I have seen any number of different airplanes, I've lived near both civilian and military airports, and I've flown in large airliners and small single engine craft. I can usually identify the style or type of craft in the air, and I know the difference between a satellite and a meteor.

I saw star-like objects make right angle turns while maintaining a constant velocity...OUR aircraft are incapable of these maneuvers.

I do NOT propose to know who was piloting these non-human U.F.O.'s, but I saw a half a dozen of them fly in coordination with each other.

I KNOW what I saw was the result of a non-human advanced technology controlled by an intelligence.

That's it, nothing more, nothing less.
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Your expertise and honesty have both been shown to be severely lacking. Your memory has been shown to be fallible, extremely. As far as being a credible description of a genuine event, your anecdote has been shown time and again in this and at least one other thread to be one big pile of fail.
 
Pure Argent said:
Ah, but his aliens are special, and they shouldn't be called aliens, 'cause they're from Earth.
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They shouldn't be called aliens, because the COULD be from here, and have ALWAYS ben in our heavens.

There is no need to require that they be from another star system, to make them indeed "alien". Although, if they came from another planet, or a moon from somewhere in our solar system, that might make them certainly non-earthly.

The point I've repeatedly tried to make is that they have always been in our heavens, for as long as history has recorded. They aren't from anywhere else, because they've always been 'up there'.
 
King of the Americas said:
That was NOT the premise I started with.
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Then for the love of God, please, I'm begging you, TELL US WHAT YOU ARE ARGUING.

HOW do you conclude that there are heavenly beings hiding somewhere nearby?

Ignoring what I have said, and making up your own argument, then attributing that argument to 'me', is pathetically intellectually dishonest.

Stop.
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It's more pathetically intellectually dishonest, IMO, to pretend that you have made a point when you haven't, then accuse others of ignoring this point you have utterly failed to make.

MAKE YOUR POINT. Clearly, simply, honestly. If you don't know, then just say, "I don't know."
 
King of the Americas said:
Waterman said:
I have some theories, what about these?
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Whee that was fun.
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^Repeat post^

It was less funny the second time...
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QUOTE=King of the Americas] 'They' have been called by MANY names, NONE of which can be verified. I don't know what 'they' are either, nor where they live, or what they purpose to do.

I know only that they exist. <snip> [/QUOTE]

King of the Americas said:
I know nothing about them, other than they exist and are more technologically advanced than we are. <snip>
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Well yea it was a repeat post. You ignored it the first time. Wasn’t that the point of your opening post to assume they exist and speculate on what would get them to descend? Well that all depends on what you assume their nature is. At best you have the existence of things that we can’t explain and have unknown origin. In addition you have ancient peoples that did things using techniques that we do not yet know (be they mundane or not). Even if we grant for the sake of argument that they are out there somewhere we know NOTHING about their motivations and you admit that neither do you. We can’t even firmly establish any property about them beyond the basic assumption we have allowing for the sake of argument, 1. they exist and 2. they are of prehuman terrestrial origin.

You seem to hold that they some altruistic creature that is just sitting there waiting for the day that we ask them to join us for conversation or friendly competition.

The implicit arguments you have provided in support of this altruistic nature is that there are ancient stone buildings and monuments that are either so large, so hard or so precise that it was not something that ancient man was not capable of doing on his own.

That is all you have about their own motivations. It is speculations with some very big unfounded assumptions that have been granted for the sake of the argument.

Why do assume they are keeping an eye on us, waiting for the day that we will be worth talking to. Heck if they spend anything watching cable TV and tune into the ‘real’ housewives, survivor and other’ reality shows’ they are going to realize that for the most part we haven’t got anything meaningful to say or at least the vast majority of us aren’t listening to anything meaningful. If they tune into the news they will likes see that we are a not ready for membership in the greater galactic community as we are still battling over small plots of land and wiping our large numbers of our brethren singly and in groups all over the world.
 
Oh, Sears Tower... OK.

What would we find at its hypothetical ruins?
Concrete, steel, alluminium, glass, several bits and pieces of technology (lamps, computers, cell phones, forks, knives, TVs, Ipods, etc.). The tools used to build it would also leave its marks (welding seams, abbrasion marks for polishing dishes, marks of modern saws and powered drilling tools with vidia or carbide bits, etc.). Now, can you find similar things at the remains of the folks at Tiwanaku, Machu Picchu, all the Maya and Toltec cities, ancient Egypt?

Heck, Tiwanaku, Maya and Inca folks as far as I know could not even build a round arch! It seems they never went beyond the flat arches... Very modern.

And what about the remains of folks who built it and lived or worked there?
Lots of evidences of modern medical tech. Prosthetics, teeth fillings, pacemakers, surgical pins, etc. Now, can you find similar things at the remains of the folks at Tiwanaku, Machu Picchu, all the Maya and Toltec cities, ancient Egypt?

So, please tell point me a single site with REAL evidence for modern technology.
 
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aggle-rithm said:
We get that. What we don't get is HOW DID YOU COME TO THIS CONCLUSION? Spell it out, please.
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H-I-S-T-O-R-Y...

From ancient cave paintings, myths, religious tales, paintings, pictures, and videos. "Heaven agents" have been portrayed in EVERY form of media man hath created.

That some can't, won't, and don't interpret these things AS the same phenomena responsible for modern U.F.O.'s is flatly incorrect.
 
King of the Americas said:
H-I-S-T-O-R-Y...

From ancient cave paintings, myths, religious tales, paintings, pictures, and videos. "Heaven agents" have been portrayed in EVERY form of media man hath created.

That some can't, won't, and don't interpret these things AS the same phenomena responsible for modern U.F.O.'s is flatly incorrect.
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So it's the way YOU interpret history.

Do you apply any sort of rigor to this interpretation? Do you attempt to falsify your assumptions? Do you consider alternate explanations (such as, "the things portrayed in cave paintings, myths, religious tales, paintings, pictures, and videos may not all be the same phenomena")?

That's the sort of thing we're looking for. And, for future reference, that's the sort of thing we're ALWAYS looking for at this skeptic's forum. Anything less, and it's just your uninformed opinion.
 
aggle-rithm said:
So it's the way YOU interpret history.

Do you apply any sort of rigor to this interpretation? Do you attempt to falsify your assumptions? Do you consider alternate explanations (such as, "the things portrayed in cave paintings, myths, religious tales, paintings, pictures, and videos may not all be the same phenomena")?

That's the sort of thing we're looking for. And, for future reference, that's the sort of thing we're ALWAYS looking for at this skeptic's forum. Anything less, and it's just your uninformed opinion.
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I hold that this IS 'one' possibility, that happens to fit with what I've seen and experienced.

NEVER have I said there is conclusive proof of this finding.

I conclude that to ignore ALL the anecdotes and other historical imagery is flatly foolish.

Ignore reports from your fellow man at the peril of timely truth.
 
King of the Americas said:
You and your 'experts', have NOT seen what I have, and ignore facts that don't fit their conclusion.
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Given the fact that human memory is extremely fallible, subject to change over time, and impossible to subjectively evaluate for accuracy (all verified by scientific studies), why should we trust the accuracy of your memories? You yourself don't know whether they are accurate or not, unless you have a photographic memory. Do you?
 
"Ignore reports from your fellow man at the peril of timely truth."

Yep. When they start to feast on your meat, you will remember my words.

Actually, its more likely that that decades later and still with no reliable evidence of skygods, you will start to realize the tipe and energy you spent for nothing. And you will regret ignoring what your fellow men told you.
 
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