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King of the Americas said:
RoboTimbo said:
Still haven't answered this, KotA.

Where did you come by this knowledge? Or did you just make it up?
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It's just a theory...
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I have some theories, what about these?

So the OP wants us to speculate how to entice an assumed non-human intelligent race that lives in the near proximity of earth to reveal themselves to us. Unfortunately they have hidden themselves so well that we only have fleeting glimpses of them and know nothing about their nature or motivations. I am still reading this thread sorry if this is currently irrelevant.

IF we assume that they are grooming us for fodder and DNA source material I would think that like attracting bird to land, or a raccoon to visit your porch you might place out a big bowl of food out in plain sight perhaps shine lights on it. Any large sporting event could also be applicable.

IF we assume that they are really super intelligent and are looking for peers not subjects. It would also be reasonable to also think that they will see through our clumsy attempts at appeasement and see us as the backwards race we are and not worthy of revelation yet. Perhaps they will reveal themselves once they have determined we have advanced far enough mentally. The appeasement / adoration you imply would clearly indicate to them that we are not ready.

IF we assume that they are a bunch of joy riding hot rods that get a kick out of coming down every now and them to buzz some small group out in the middle of nowhere. Then there is probably nothing we can due to entice them, they get their kicks out of being mysterious and don’t want the spot light. If they did they would have already taken center stage somewhere. The World Cup Finals would have been an excellent opportunity. As pointed out if they did descend it would turn ANY event into a major event and all eyes would be turned in that direction.

IF we assume that they are waiting for us to reach some sort of mental level that has abandoned superstition and that their revelation will not cause worldwide panic. I would imagine that they would be waiting for a large majority of us to adopt a scientific mindset instead of a superstitious one. The best way to get them to descend would be to have the majority of the world to abandon religions and convert all the Houses of Worship into sometime more useful like parking lots, brothels or play grounds.

IF we assume that they are allergic to or find poisonous the trace byproducts of the burning of fossil fuels then they will not descend until we move completely to alternate energy methods and then atmosphere had been cleansed through natural processes.

IF we assume that they are out there and want to deal with humans on a business level perhaps they are already doing that. But they know that by revealing themselves they will cause significant damage to the economy and cause significant instability in the political realm. This would not be a problem is the majority of the world was largely under the sway of say a large corporation or a one world government. They are waiting on the New World Order or Wal-Mart to come to power so they only have to negotiate one treaty instead of hundreds.

IF we assume that they have developed sensory organs that can detect the radio frequency range they will probably not descend until we abandon that technology or they develop filters that do not affect their ability to communicate.

IF we assume that they find the odor of concrete or asphalt offensive that would explain why they never actually land in cities or populated areas. To get them to descend we would need to tear down all the concrete structures and rip up all the asphalt and find alternate construction methods and materials.

IF we assume that they really don’t care what we do or think and are nothing more than lab animals or pets, I think that anything that we do would solicit no more than a note in a technicians log book or an ‘isn’t that cute’ from a more kind hearted individual… if they have hearts…

If we assume that they actually feed off the psychic energy generated by emotional turmoil the best way to get them to descend would be to establish world peace. This would cause them to starve and force them out. However if this is the case they would probably do something to destabilize the Peace that has been established by setting themselves of as the enemy that we can’t reach. Perhaps they would operate covertly with targeted assassinations turning body guards on their charges when they appear too reasonable, initiate riots to destabilize governments, plant evidence of WMDs to instigate wars, fund fundamentalist organizations of all stripes to keep us at odds with each other and destroy our common round, call in to talk radio shows…

Whee that was fun.
 
GeeMack said:
Probably amazed that those aliens would travel all this way to do something as stupid and useless as scratch some rocks.
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They haven't traveled, they've always been here!

We can infer this from the fact that they scratched and stacked some rocks.

Someone had to do it, why not heavenly agents? And someone has been here all along, why not heavenly agents?

It's simple logic.
 
Psiload said:
Cleverly scratched and stacked rocks benefitted the citizens of Puma Punku exactly how?
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[Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy]
Newscaster:"And we'll be saying a big hello to all intelligent life forms everywhere. And to everyone else out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together, guys." [/HHGTTG] :D
 
King of the Americas said:
This is a gross, even obscene description of the work those Puma Punku stones represent.

I'm ashamed of you.
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No it isn't really, even if you consider the stone work at Puma Punku to be great art and artisanship. The idea that "advanced technology" would be exclusively dedicated to that purpose means one of two things: either you're wrong or the maniacs responsible are the very last sort of folks we should be inviting back.
 
King of the Americas said:
This is a gross, even obscene description of the work those Puma Punku stones represent.

I'm ashamed of you.
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Are you even going to attempt to explain how I've insulted the tender sensibilities of the heavenly visitors, or are you going to continue to be ashamed of me 'Just 'cuz'?
 
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King of the Americas said:
No, that's simple ignorance. As this isn't my argument in any shape, form, or fashion.
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No, essentially that IS your argument.

You speak of a long list of events, recorded in pictures, videos, eyewitness accounts, paintings, and historical records, that you can't explain.

You ARBITRARILY attribute these events to "heavenly agents".

Why must ALL these events be attributed to the same source? Why must they be heavenly agents, and not something else for which we have no evidence?

Why not hobgoblins? Pixies? Angels? And yes, even aliens?

Basically, your argument is: "Why not?"

I don't find that convincing. In fact, I find it worthy of ridicule.

Don't like being ridiculed? Give us something better.
 
carlitos said:
Not simple ignorance. What you're doing is called an "argument from ignorance." Mine was just articulated more concisely than yours.
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Then you don't understand what my conclusion is, nor how I reached it, neither of which surprises me.

The only thing you've proven herein, is your ability to misinterpret my stance.
 
Psiload said:
Are you even going to attempt to explain how I've insulted the tender sensibilities of the heavenly visitors, or are you going to continue to be ashamed of me 'Just 'cuz'?
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You're looking foolish doesn't offend me or my sensibilities. I just thought better of you than to diminish truly wondrous stone masonry, in an attempt to score a cheap point.

I thought you were better than that, buddy.
 
aggle-rithm said:
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Why not hobgoblins? Pixies? Angels? And yes, even aliens?

Basically, your argument is: "Why not?"

I don't find that convincing. In fact, I find it worthy of ridicule.

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'They' have been called by MANY names, NONE of which can be verified. I don't know what 'they' are either, nor where they live, or what they purpose to do.

I know only that they exist. You can call them what you like, but that won't mean anything to anyone.

Heavenly agents works for me, as it places them 'above us' or rather existing in the skies, and there's more than one of them.

Personally I find ignorance and lies worthy of ridicule, both of which you've employed without regard here, but that's on you...and really none of my concern.
 
King of the Americas said:
You're looking foolish doesn't offend me or my sensibilities. I just thought better of you than to diminish truly wondrous stone masonry, in an attempt to score a cheap point.

I thought you were better than that, buddy.
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youre the one here claiming that Pumapunku is not the work of the masons who are known to have constructed it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sillustani
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colla_people
The architecture of these people is said to be more complicated than that of the Incas. There are no uneven edges, to which other stones have to be cut, unevenly, to fit. The site itself isn't as impressive, of course, as Ollantaytambo or Machu Picchu, but it's still a wonder. The burial tower above is about 40' high. Each tower has a small hole facing east, just large enough for a person to crawl through, the entrance closed after burials. These towers were made with chipping tools.
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http://www.andrys.com/peru15.html
so you are the one doing the diminishing, I realise youve only recently been allowed out in public here but try to keep the content of your posts honest
thanks
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Look Mr. King, you're bing rather confusing. Do you know anything about these not-aliens or don't you?

You keep saying things like:

I don't know what 'they' are either, nor where they live, or what they purpose to do.
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And then and then in the same post you state:

Heavenly agents works for me, as it places them 'above us' or rather existing in the skies, and there's more than one of them.
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You yell at us about the various stories we come up with and say we are wrong. Well, how do you know? Where is your proof? How do you know so darn much about them and how do you know that information is accurate?
 
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