Rape Victim Taught a Lesson

[Crocoshark]

Plus of course you may be happy to give the state the right to kill you, I'm not, the state should never have that power.

One could argue it's better then the state forcing you to spend 60-80 years with complete ********, considering some of the gangs and crap that happens in some prisons, I don't know that 10 years and a lethal injection is much worse. You're life's down the toilet either way.

Seeing as I said "lethal injection" and not "death by whipping" I think this post is officially off topic.

 

[timhau]

Not a bad idea. Eye for an eye.

... which is a lot better deal than what she got.

 

[I Ratant]

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I don't really know how you come to the conclusion that being raped is a worse crime than raping someone.

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I didn't!
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My *guess* is that the assumption is that the girl must have done something which drove the men to rape her, so the blame ultimately lays with her. ...

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Her error was being born female, in a society where access to females is really controlled, and having been found in a situation where she had no protection by male members of her family, was therefore by long tradition "asking for it", and got it.
The repressed sexual situations in those countries leads to this kind of thing, with the possessor of the vagina -always- at fault.

 

[Darat]

To get back to the opening post - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12384838 It seems as if the authorities do mean to punish the wrongdoers.

 

[Ladewig]

Islamic fundamentalism shows a certain type of barbaric punishment.
In our countries [ first world ] culturally there were other type of punishment, for other crime. Burning alive a 5 year old is no less barbaric than lashing a 14 year old rape victim (although i will admit it (ETA the low age) was not widespread and might have been a single case).

I am unfamiliar with that case. Can you provide more details? Did it involve the child being the victim of a crime and then village arbitration deciding to inflict a potentially fatal punishment?


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On the plus side, the federal government is investigating this homicide.

 

[WildCat]

To get back to the opening post - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12384838 It seems as if the authorities do mean to punish the wrongdoers.

"This is the second reported case of a fatality linked to a Sharia law punishment since the practice was outlawed last year by the High Court."



It took until last year to outlaw this crap?

 

[Aepervius]

I am unfamiliar with that case. Can you provide more details? Did it involve the child being the victim of a crime and then village arbitration deciding to inflict a potentially fatal punishment?


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On the plus side, the federal government is investigating this homicide.

That was in München toward the end of the peak of the Bavarian witch hunt, I think I read that in a German book on witch hunting. Not sure if I can find that on a web page, as most english web page are about salem or england.

But yeah , kids were not spared in case of witch craft accusation. They were first "questionned" along with their family, and you can guess that everybody admitted about anything under prolongated torture.

 

[Aepervius]

I found some reference of an english translated google book on the Haidau trials, and reference to children being executed. At the time of the arrest the boy & girl were "7 to 16 year old" and executed about 5 year later.

http://books.google.com/books?id=lB...onepage&q=munich boy 5 executed witch&f=false

scroll back to page 341.

I'll continue to search for the specific case of that what was the youngest witch executed in Munich.

 

[fuelair]

I could barely read the article without my muscles tensing up like I was ready to rip someone apart. Anyone involved in that incident should be put to death or locked away for the rest of their lives. That is absolutely disgusting.

You are berserker - and else. Welcome.

 

[Schrodinger's Cat]

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I didn't!

Oh, my goodness, no no no I didn't mean to suggest *you* as in you personally. Sorry, by "you" I really just meant an impersonal "you," i.e. "I don't know how ANYONE would think this way." I certainly didn't mean to imply YOU personally think this way. Bad choice of words to say "you" rather than "anyone." Sorry for the confusion.

 

[fuelair]

No it's a crap idea - the punishment mete out to her was barbaric, doing the same to someone else would also be barbaric.

Some of us have no problem with barbaric. It is educational. And, no, punishing the evil so they know - permanently- the way the victim felt is education at it's most complete level. Meeting evil with "civilized" behavior allows it to continue spreading.

The British general who threatened hanging if a woman was burned was kind.
We are not, just want justice for the victim. Full justice. Educational justice.

 

[fuelair]

Yes, but at least they deserve it. She didn't. (And you're still right. There must be a better way to handle it).

There is, but you and Darat won't like it. You are too kind. In that I am not.

Just to keep things in order though, there are many who think I am kind. They are right, because they are deserving (as are most people in the world) of kindness. Those who choose to bring fear and pain are out enemy, we wish to return it to them. It is the only part of xtianity I am cool with - render unto evil the things that are evil's.

 

[Quad4_72]

You are berserker - and else. Welcome.

I have absolutely no idea what that means.

 

[leon_heller]

Here is an update on the BBC News web site:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12384838

A proper autopsy is being conducted.

The authorities already have some people in custody, and are looking for the others who were responsible.

 

[fuelair]

I have absolutely no idea what that means.

You sense the need to destroy and feel your body trying to do it. And it is for the right reasons not the wrong ones. The last person I greeted that way
here wiped up a bully larger than her - but the bully was there. the current slime aren't.

 

[Polaris]

Yes, but at least they deserve it. She didn't. (And you're still right. There must be a better way to handle it).

There is:

 

[Ladewig]

I found some reference of an english translated google book on the Haidau trials, and reference to children being executed. At the time of the arrest the boy & girl were "7 to 16 year old" and executed about 5 year later.

http://books.google.com/books?id=lB...onepage&q=munich boy 5 executed witch&f=false

scroll back to page 341.

I'll continue to search for the specific case of that what was the youngest witch executed in Munich.

So, you are suggesting a moral equivalency by comparing something that happened last week to something that happened 270 years ago?

 

[Rufo]

Some of us have no problem with barbaric. It is educational. And, no, punishing the evil so they know - permanently- the way the victim felt is education at it's most complete level. Meeting evil with "civilized" behavior allows it to continue spreading.

The British general who threatened hanging if a woman was burned was kind.
We are not, just want justice for the victim. Full justice. Educational justice.

"Yeah, tell me, tell me after you knocked your pupil senseless, how do you expect him to remember the lesson, hm?"

 

[fuelair]

"Yeah, tell me, tell me after you knocked your pupil senseless, how do you expect him to remember the lesson, hm?"

I don't.

The point, by the by is not to beat him senseless - wnat him to feel every part of the education up to the time he leaves this mortal coil.

 

[Mycroft]

I remember a couple years ago there was a story in Somalia about some men being convicted of gang rape. They were giving a sentence of "caning"...which actually only amounted to them being hit with thin reeds over their clothes. The men were actually laughing and joking as they were being hit.

This was contrasted to the case of a 13 year old girl in Somalia who, a year or two earlier, had been stoned to death as punishment for being gang raped.

I don't really know how you come to the conclusion that being raped is a worse crime than raping someone. My *guess* is that the assumption is that the girl must have done something which drove the men to rape her, so the blame ultimately lays with her. Or maybe its just that being raped dishonors your family/community, while raping someone, for whatever reason, does not. So the girl has to be murdered but not the rapists because she's the only one whose continued existence brings dishonor and shame to their community. I've heard news stories about women in Islamic fundamentalist communities who were raped who were either murdered by their families or told they needed to commit suicide, in which the girl was not considered to be "at fault" for the rape... but she still needed to die to uphold the family honor.

You also have to add a patriarchal culture where men have all the power, and whenever men and women come into conflict, the women are wrong. You also have to devalue women to the point where killing one of them just so you don't have to admit the man did something very wrong seems acceptable.