Merged UFO @ Jerusalem, 2011. Call Captain-D

AdMan said:
Yes, the dialogue was related to the UFO they were supposedly looking at. They are actors, reading lines.

And yes, of course the UFO was CGI. Did you watch the 'making of' video?
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I did watch the making of video and again that isn't the point. Are you able to prove to me based on the video alone that it's cgi?
 
kageki said:
I did watch the making of video and again that isn't the point. Are you able to prove to me based on the video alone that it's cgi?
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You don't accept the hoaxers' statements as enough evidence that the video is a hoax?

You're fall too gullible, my friend.
 
Stray Cat said:
What you'll find is that some people made 9/11 videos to try to show how it could have all been faked, without taking into account all of the evidence supporting the fact that it wasn't faked. This UFO nonsense is the exact opposite. People have made some explanatory videos to show how it could have been faked because there is no evidence to show it is genuine.
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What you are saying is that a video alone isn't proof then.
 
kageki said:
I did watch the making of video and again that isn't the point. Are you able to prove to me based on the video alone that it's cgi?
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We're back to burden of proof again, kageki. The film shows objects for which there is no evidence of their existence. They defy what we know about our physical world. Therefore, it is up to you to show how they are not CGI.

It's been demonstrated that it is CGI by way of the makers posting the 'making of' film on youtube. What more evidence do you need? Also, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by demonstrating that one can't tell CGI from real, physical objects just by viewing a film clip in real time. That's not how most films of UFOs are shown to be fake, and it's not how various individuals have shown the Jerusalem UFO videos to be fake.

So modern CGI is convincing when watched in real time? Wow. Hold the front page... :rolleyes:
 
kageki said:
You can certainly link things such as this video you posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqzeed-Iv5E&feature=player_embedded

What was the point of this video?
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Look, better than that, which just shows you hown easily the UFO could be created on the film, have a look at this analysis of Video 1, which shows anomalies (mirroring effect) on the actual film as it has been presented on youtube:

http://www.ufoeyes.com/2011/02/05/overly-symmetrical-lights-the-fake-giveaway/

Are you still unconvinced that video 1 is fake?
 
What point are you trying to make, kageki? I can't see what you're trying to do by denying reality at the moment.
 
kageki said:
Akhenaten said:
That's probably because what you keep trying to ask is completely pointless, as, it seems, are everyone's efforts to explain to you why these videos are fakes.
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What I've demonstrated is that this fake video does not prove any point at all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqzeed-Iv5E&feature=player_embedded
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These comments are posted immediately below your linked video by the person who made and posted it:


xbatusai said:
•This video was made JUST FOR FUN.

•This video was made JUST TO TRY TO REPRODUCE WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE ORIGINAL VIDEO.

•This video only shows how easy is to reproduce what happens in the original video

•This video was made so the people can have a better perspective and try to be open to the possibilities.

•The effects showed on this video can be better done with more time and skills
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Which part of this is giving you the most trouble?
 
Akhenaten said:
These comments are posted immediately below your linked video by the person who made and posted it:


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Which part of this is giving you the most trouble?
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As I keep having to repeat myself, it's easy to make all sorts of fake videos including a fake 9/11 video.

Try reading. You seem to have difficulties with this.
 
kageki said:
What you are saying is that a video alone isn't proof then.
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Of course a video is proof. It's proof that some people will believe any old guff that's posted on WooTube.

There is no need to prove a video claiming to show things that defy the laws of physics is not genuine, the burden of proof rests with those that claim the video is genuine.

So for the last time. Any critical analysis that points to technical faults (lack of parallax, lack of foreshortening when zooming, mirroring of outer edges, signs of manual pixel lightening, non changing shadows, audio track manipulation) all have to be overcome by the people who are claiming this video to be genuine.
 
Stray Cat said:
Of course a video is proof. It's proof that some people will believe any old guff that's posted on WooTube.

There is no need to prove a video claiming to show things that defy the laws of physics is not genuine, the burden of proof rests with those that claim the video is genuine.

So for the last time. Any critical analysis that points to technical faults (lack of parallax, lack of foreshortening when zooming, mirroring of outer edges, signs of manual pixel lightening, non changing shadows, audio track manipulation) all have to be overcome by the people who are claiming this video to be genuine.
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No what you are saying is that a video isn't proof at all. The 9/11 video is proof to you and it's irrelevant if someone made a fake 9/11 video. So for the last time, the fake Jerusalem video proves no point at all.

How do the videos defy the laws of physics?

Anyways I guess there is no further discussion since apparently ALL the videos have been conclusively debunked. It would be nice if these "witnesses" or "actors" came forth, but that hasn't happened yet unfortunately.
 
kageki said:
No what you are saying is that a video isn't proof at all. The 9/11 video is proof to you and it's irrelevant if someone made a fake 9/11 video. So for the last time, the fake Jerusalem video proves no point at all.
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It is possible for one piece of evidence to stand up to scrutiny. However, in the bigger picture the fact that someone can make a fake video does not necessarily prove they did. Your comparison with the 9/11 is slightly pointless as the Jerusalem UFO left no lasting physical evidence with which to verify it. Therefore, all we have to work with is the video.

kageki said:
How do the videos defy the laws of physics?
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Lack of parallax, unexpected parallax, bright lights that only light up what was already light, bright lights that don't change direction of shadows, mirroring of night time lights in a landscape that shows no symmetry, exceleration without signs of propulsion, interlaced frames and progressive frames in the same bit of footage... you know, that kind of thing.

kageki said:
Anyways I guess there is no further discussion since apparently ALL the videos have been conclusively debunked. It would be nice if these "witnesses" or "actors" came forth, but that hasn't happened yet unfortunately.
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The young film maker people who published video 4 were supposed to be doing an interview. I haven't heard if that's happened as yet. It seems everyone else is clamming up.
 
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Apparently The Temple Mount video maker has said that his video is a hoax to Israeli channel 2 news. I'm looking for corroboration on this.
 
http://www.facebook.com/pages/All-News-Web/302771843259

Update: 5th Feb 2011

The battle rages on, from AllNewsWeb on facebook:

All News Web I can still confirm that I am the only person the witnesses have spoken (other than someone from Israeli TV station Channel 2) and that I know they were at Armon Hanatziv that night-this failed attempt at debunking kind of confirms that.
Will be going on Radio within the next few days to reveal what I know of the UFO jerusalem incident: It should be a pretty interesting interview
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Anybody else have any info on this supposed confession?
 
kageki said:
No what you are saying is that a video isn't proof at all. The 9/11 video is proof to you and it's irrelevant if someone made a fake 9/11 video. So for the last time, the fake Jerusalem video proves no point at all.

How do the videos defy the laws of physics?

Anyways I guess there is no further discussion since apparently ALL the videos have been conclusively debunked. It would be nice if these "witnesses" or "actors" came forth, but that hasn't happened yet unfortunately.
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Are you trying to back around into the point that some fake videos don't prove that all videos are faked therefore aliens?
 
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