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kageki said:
That's not what I'm asking. I know it's not hard to act. It's whether someone would do all that just for a hoax.
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Yes, and the answer to this question is unlikely to change, no matter how many times you ask it.


kageki said:
Explain to me why these videos are fake.
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Stray Cat already has. If his explanations don't measure up to your high standards then you'll need to come up with some better objections than "Is not!"


kageki said:
You haven't done that yet.
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Perhaps not to your satisfaction, and yet the world continues as it always has. Extraordinary!
 
kageki said:
That's not what I'm asking. I know it's not hard to act. It's whether someone would do all that just for a hoax.
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Yes. There are some more elaborated hoax which are known to be hoax, involving CGI. That start from hoaxed photo with (was it kennedy) and some women, or even CGI hoaxed UFO, and cryptozoid. ETA and that does not even consider old hoax and scam, including all the spiritism brouahah 100 years ago. ETAETA: read up cottington faery.

I am a evil man. If I had the skill I would do such a hoax and revel afterward, jsut to see UFO gullible skirm.
 
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kageki said:
It's also pretty easy to claim someone is acting. Those people are still part of the video so it is still relevant.

What I have a hard time believing is that someone would go so far to act in this video to make a hoax video about a ufo. Not that people are incapable of acting or lying.
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Are you familiar with a thing called "April Fools Day"? It happens every April First. Literally hundreds of thousands of people will do things to make others think something that hasn't, has happened, for no better reason than, it's the first day of April. Any idea why would they do that?

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Akhenaten said:
Yes, and the answer to this question is unlikely to change, no matter how many times you ask it.





Stray Cat already has. If his explanations don't measure up to your high standards then you'll need to come up with some better objections than "Is not!"





Perhaps not to your satisfaction, and yet the world continues as it always has. Extraordinary!
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I'm referring to the Haiti ufo video and other hoax videos that was linked.

Adman posted this video earlier:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up5jmbSjWkw

Again I ask for the explanation for why this video is fake.
 
kageki said:
Can you offer some explanation to why they are fake?
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I can show technical things within the video that clearly point towards it not being as it is described.
But more to the point, can you offer some explanation as to why it is genuine... Because me offering my explanation would only repeating the work of others (in respect to video's 1 & 2), your explanation would be breaking new ground because so far, I've seen no one even try.

kageki said:
Can you show me some other ufo hoax video with acting and dialogue in it?
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This is more along similar lines with dialogue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2gnruDHmZg&feature=related

This one is probably the most complex 'acted' hoax up to now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJeFn3LKou4

The explanation is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkrnEPoaPiU

Then there's a range of others, from the good to the bad and even the ugly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi2vGZvxu0Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nzPzhSEnR8

You'll like this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQoJ5Qbjx_4
 
Stray Cat said:
But not as easy as just watching the video and then without doing any analysis at all saying "yup. that's real" :rolleyes:
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What I have said so far is that I don't find the debunking efforts to be convincing. You said yourself you haven't done much analysis on video 1.
 
Stray Cat said:
I'm wondering why an explanation would be required, if you are now talking about the Haiti video and again, could you give an explanation as to why it would be genuine.
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I can't offer any technical explanation since I'm not knowledgeable in this field. My view is that it appears like cgi and also that such clear video from what I have seen so far is rare if not entirely unique and thus why I believe that Haiti ufo to be fake.

Now how about you offer an explanation either way since you appear to be an expert. You have claimed to debunk these Jerusalem ufo videos and appear to have some knowledge in video production so I figure it should be really easy for you to debunk and explain why these Haiti ufo videos are fake.
 
kageki said:
What I have said so far is that I don't find the debunking efforts to be convincing. You said yourself you haven't done much analysis on video 1.
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I don't find any effort (good or otherwise) on behalf of those who would so like this footage to be genuine to show how it could possibly be so.

I have done analysis of video 1, my results match the ones available already on the web. There seemed little point in writing them up here.
 
kageki said:
I can't offer any technical explanation since I'm not knowledgeable in this field. My view is that it appears like cgi and also that such clear video from what I have seen so far is rare if not entirely unique and thus why I believe that Haiti ufo to be fake.

Now how about you offer an explanation either way since you appear to be an expert. You have claimed to debunk these Jerusalem ufo videos and appear to have some knowledge in video production so I figure it should be really easy for you to debunk and explain why these Haiti ufo videos are fake.
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The explanations as to the fakeness already on the internet.
As a first stop, look here: http://www.e-onsoftware.com/products/vue/vue_9_t_pack/?tpack=sciencefiction
All for $49.95

And again, I don't have to offer an explanation. It is down to those claiming this video is genuine to offer proof that it is genuine.

Also, I have not debunked the Jerusalem videos, all I have done is point out some things that would need to be addressed if someone were going to actually try and prove how they were genuine.
 
Stray Cat said:
The explanations as to the fakeness already on the internet.
As a first stop, look here: http://www.e-onsoftware.com/products/vue/vue_9_t_pack/?tpack=sciencefiction
All for $49.95

And again, I don't have to offer an explanation. It is down to those claiming this video is genuine to offer proof that it is genuine.

Also, I have not debunked the Jerusalem videos, all I have done is point out some things that would need to be addressed if someone were going to actually try and prove how they were genuine.
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Funny thing first link was rense:
http://www.rense.com/general77/haiti.htm

Linking a software isn't an explanation though. You need to explain from the video and it would've been nice if you didn't cop out. You pass yourself off as some video expert so you should be able to explain it in your own words why the haiti video is fake, but you can't. Even then the article was bit a short on the technical explanation other then the admission from the author of the video itself.

I'm not sure what needs to be addressed for video 1, but I still find the people in the video interesting. Since you say yourself you haven't debunked the videos so I'm not sure why people can claim them to be fake with such certainty.
 
Gee I can tell why it is a fake. Look at the palmier. They are all copy past identical. Slow down the video frame by frame. Google it for screenshot. You are years too late on that hoax, and there is plenty of info in google.
 
kageki said:
Funny thing first link was rense:
http://www.rense.com/general77/haiti.htm

Linking a software isn't an explanation though. You need to explain from the video and it would've been nice if you didn't cop out. You pass yourself off as some video expert so you should be able to explain it in your own words why the haiti video is fake, but you can't. Even then the article was bit a short on the technical explanation other then the admission from the author of the video itself.

I'm not sure what needs to be addressed for video 1, but I still find the people in the video interesting. Since you say yourself you haven't debunked the videos so I'm not sure why people can claim them to be fake with such certainty.
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You've got to be kidding.
 
kageki said:
Akhenaten said:
You've got to be kidding.
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I'm not referring to the Haiti video if that is what you are mistaken about. You seem to have some problems reading.
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This is the post of yours that I quoted:


kageki said:
Funny thing first link was rense:
http://www.rense.com/general77/haiti.htm

Linking a software isn't an explanation though. You need to explain from the video and it would've been nice if you didn't cop out. You pass yourself off as some video expert so you should be able to explain it in your own words why the haiti video is fake, but you can't. Even then the article was bit a short on the technical explanation other then the admission from the author of the video itself.

I'm not sure what needs to be addressed for video 1, but I still find the people in the video interesting. Since you say yourself you haven't debunked the videos so I'm not sure why people can claim them to be fake with such certainty.
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Are you claiming that post isn't referring to the Haiti video???
 
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